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April 11, 2017, 03:04:30 AM
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After I die, when I wake up in the resurrection, I will go to Heaven.
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Err, isn't your god suppose to make that decision???
Seem to me my claiming your already got your heaven ticket you've made that decision yourself. You've placed yourself above your god.
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God already made that decision. That's why I can talk about it so emphatically. All who believe in Jesus salvation will be saved. This is God’s idea, not mine.
God doesn't speak as much about the damnation of the unbelievers, because He is a positive God, and He is hoping the unbelievers will change to believers, and be saved.
But in your case... Well, I'll be like God, and not talk about it right now.

Human himself has become god with the power to heal, create, destroy, alter and control. With the god nowhere to be seen, humans have taken over the "throne" of god.
Throughout history there were powerful men who ruled nation and if you look at things like that then there was never a time when god had any control over this earth as they have taken over centuries back.If you believe in something so be it and that does not mean that someone's belief is wrong. I can debate about all the religion all day long.

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April 11, 2017, 03:11:13 AM
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After I die, when I wake up in the resurrection, I will go to Heaven.
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Err, isn't your god suppose to make that decision???
Seem to me my claiming your already got your heaven ticket you've made that decision yourself. You've placed yourself above your god.
Tut, tut.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
God already made that decision. That's why I can talk about it so emphatically. All who believe in Jesus salvation will be saved. This is God’s idea, not mine.
God doesn't speak as much about the damnation of the unbelievers, because He is a positive God, and He is hoping the unbelievers will change to believers, and be saved.
But in your case... Well, I'll be like God, and not talk about it right now.

Human himself has become god with the power to heal, create, destroy, alter and control. With the god nowhere to be seen, humans have taken over the "throne" of god.
Throughout history there were powerful men who ruled nation and if you look at things like that then there was never a time when god had any control over this earth as they have taken over centuries back.If you believe in something so be it and that does not mean that someone's belief is wrong. I can debate about all the religion all day long.

Birds fly, and do it well. People have only been flying for the last 200 years. It's only the last 2 or 3 years that people even approach flying like birds, with their jetpacks. People barely have any control over anything at all.

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April 11, 2017, 08:50:38 AM
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If you weren't promoting, you would use PM.

I wasn't pushing Bible except as a response to your Bible bad-mouthing.

If my proofs were half-baked, you would be able to step-by-step rebut them. But you can't.

You are the one talking about a zombie Sky Daddy. I wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't mentioned it first. So you see? You are the one talking nonsense.

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I have rebutted your proofs many times.  Each time you ignored them.  
You have SAID you have rebutted many times. You might have said wording to the effect of, "I rebut your stuff," many times. But you have never shown the step by step rebuttal. Here is what I mean.

I list my explanations based on science law and nature all the time. How many times have I not listed my 4 websites that explain it all laid out? Now, look what I am doing in this post right here. I am going step-by-step with the things that you have posted, and I am rebutting them. You have never done this with the things in my 4 websites.


You are making exceptions for your God.  
He is your God, too. How do we know? He is God of everything. The science proof and the vast evidence of nature is shown here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.


You are the one who said he is not of this world and does not follow the cause and effect principle.  So if he is imaginary just say so.  
If you have never been outside the shed, if you have never looked out a shed window, that doesn't mean that the shed you are in wasn't built by someone. God used the cause and effect principle to turn the things that He made in the beginning, into what they are today. The universe has nothing but cause and effect throughout. It's science law.


Why are you pretending to use Physics to prove something that is not physical (imaginary).
Why are you trying to suggest that physics doesn't apply to the universe? God, Who is NOT under the rules of physics, used physics to build the universe. The things in the links prove it.



BTW, you do not understand the conditions for the 2nd law of thermodynamics so please review them before you use it in your proof.  Earth is not an isolated system.  We get energy from the Sun, lots of it.  Without it complex life would have never developed on this rock.


You don't realize, do you, that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is different than all the theory put together about it. Btw, from Second Law of Thermodynamics:
"Entropy" is defined as a measure of unusable energy within a closed or isolated system (the universe for example). As usable energy decreases and unusable energy increases, "entropy" increases. Entropy is also a gauge of randomness or chaos within a closed system. As usable energy is irretrievably lost, disorganization, randomness and chaos increase.
Note the part that says "the universe for example."

Wake up. God exists. Science and nature prove God.

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You are hopeless.  Your lack of knowledge will follow you where ever you go.  You just want to believe that God made everything including Physics and nothing will change your mind.
You have absolutely no physical evidence to back up your claims.  You just say it is true.  

Why you even bother with "proofs"?  You obviously don't need any proofs to believe in your Bronze Age Osiris/Zombie cult.  
Stop pretending you know something other Physicists don't.

Do you even realise that you are delusional?  Probably not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

"The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system can only increase over time."


As entropy increases, complexity breaks down. The ancients were way smarter than we are. Why? Much higher mental complexity because there hadn't been time for entropy to increase as much yet.

The isolated system is the universe.

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Except you were saying that everything has been devolving everywhere because the entropy increases.  I told you that it is simply not true.  Here on Earth complex life has formed and has been increasing in complexity ever since. Thanks to Sun.

The fact that Entropy of the whole universe is increasing is not a proof of God.  Universe is expanding, space, energy distribution spreads out all the energy created during the Big Bang. This universe will probably end with a Big Crunch and everything will collapse on itself like a spring only to be reborn with a different set of physical constants.

Your Bronze Age Jewish Osiris Zombie had nothing to do with it. Trust me.

If the theory of the parallel universes is correct, the universes are created as I type this message. There are probably unlimited number of universes with 10 to the power of 512 of universes that can support Physics similar to ours.

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April 11, 2017, 09:12:23 AM
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After I die, when I wake up in the resurrection, I will go to Heaven.
Cool
Err, isn't your god suppose to make that decision???
Seem to me my claiming your already got your heaven ticket you've made that decision yourself. You've placed yourself above your god.
Tut, tut.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
God already made that decision. That's why I can talk about it so emphatically. All who believe in Jesus salvation will be saved. This is God’s idea, not mine.
God doesn't speak as much about the damnation of the unbelievers, because He is a positive God, and He is hoping the unbelievers will change to believers, and be saved.
But in your case... Well, I'll be like God, and not talk about it right now.

Human himself has become god with the power to heal, create, destroy, alter and control. With the god nowhere to be seen, humans have taken over the "throne" of god.
Throughout history there were powerful men who ruled nation and if you look at things like that then there was never a time when god had any control over this earth as they have taken over centuries back.If you believe in something so be it and that does not mean that someone's belief is wrong. I can debate about all the religion all day long.

I agree, look at the world like this, the rich get richer because they exploit the poor and why the poor are exploited? why the poor have no ambition? Why do the poor accept everything?

Because of religion, religion makes you blind, peaceful and limits your life.

The religious people stop treating their lives to serve God, God is happy to see someone walk all day from door to door to spread his word? God is happy to see your most faithful servants go hungry?

But see that the one who is at the top of the church lives in luxury, has everything from the good and the best, why? If everyone is the same Because the head of the church who does not even do anything becomes richer and that believer who is in the street all day knocking on doors of people is getting poorer every day?

Religion is very dangerous

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April 11, 2017, 10:21:07 AM
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After I die, when I wake up in the resurrection, I will go to Heaven.
Cool
Err, isn't your god suppose to make that decision???
Seem to me my claiming your already got your heaven ticket you've made that decision yourself. You've placed yourself above your god.
Tut, tut.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
God already made that decision. That's why I can talk about it so emphatically. All who believe in Jesus salvation will be saved. This is God’s idea, not mine.
God doesn't speak as much about the damnation of the unbelievers, because He is a positive God, and He is hoping the unbelievers will change to believers, and be saved.
But in your case... Well, I'll be like God, and not talk about it right now.

Human himself has become god with the power to heal, create, destroy, alter and control. With the god nowhere to be seen, humans have taken over the "throne" of god.
Throughout history there were powerful men who ruled nation and if you look at things like that then there was never a time when god had any control over this earth as they have taken over centuries back.If you believe in something so be it and that does not mean that someone's belief is wrong. I can debate about all the religion all day long.
Because, it turns out. People do tend to get someone into slavery. No matter be your master God or the oligarch. The Bible says do not make yourself an idol. Who then is God?
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April 11, 2017, 06:31:14 PM
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After I die, when I wake up in the resurrection, I will go to Heaven.
Cool
Err, isn't your god suppose to make that decision???
Seem to me my claiming your already got your heaven ticket you've made that decision yourself. You've placed yourself above your god.
Tut, tut.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
God already made that decision. That's why I can talk about it so emphatically. All who believe in Jesus salvation will be saved. This is God’s idea, not mine.
God doesn't speak as much about the damnation of the unbelievers, because He is a positive God, and He is hoping the unbelievers will change to believers, and be saved.
But in your case... Well, I'll be like God, and not talk about it right now.

Human himself has become god with the power to heal, create, destroy, alter and control. With the god nowhere to be seen, humans have taken over the "throne" of god.
Throughout history there were powerful men who ruled nation and if you look at things like that then there was never a time when god had any control over this earth as they have taken over centuries back.If you believe in something so be it and that does not mean that someone's belief is wrong. I can debate about all the religion all day long.
Because, it turns out. People do tend to get someone into slavery. No matter be your master God or the oligarch. The Bible says do not make yourself an idol. Who then is God?

God is the Guy who offers slavery as a method for getting out of trouble.

Many people live in tent cities in California. There are many homeless people throughout America. If they don't like their position and status, is there any way to get out? It isn't easy in America, because there isn't any legal slavery in America. What do I mean?

A poor person might be someone who looks so bad that nobody will hire him. In a proper form of slavery, he could make a contract with someone, as that person's slave, for room and board and a $hundred a week (which would go into savings), and after a while he would have enough money saved up to start a new life. Since many people and Government would consider that to be slavery, they won't allow it easily.

So, the poor joker remains homeless, or sleeps in tents in the park.

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April 11, 2017, 06:38:38 PM
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After I die, when I wake up in the resurrection, I will go to Heaven.
Cool
Err, isn't your god suppose to make that decision???
Seem to me my claiming your already got your heaven ticket you've made that decision yourself. You've placed yourself above your god.
Tut, tut.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
God already made that decision. That's why I can talk about it so emphatically. All who believe in Jesus salvation will be saved. This is God’s idea, not mine.
God doesn't speak as much about the damnation of the unbelievers, because He is a positive God, and He is hoping the unbelievers will change to believers, and be saved.
But in your case... Well, I'll be like God, and not talk about it right now.

Human himself has become god with the power to heal, create, destroy, alter and control. With the god nowhere to be seen, humans have taken over the "throne" of god.
Throughout history there were powerful men who ruled nation and if you look at things like that then there was never a time when god had any control over this earth as they have taken over centuries back.If you believe in something so be it and that does not mean that someone's belief is wrong. I can debate about all the religion all day long.

I agree, look at the world like this, the rich get richer because they exploit the poor and why the poor are exploited? why the poor have no ambition? Why do the poor accept everything?

Because of religion, religion makes you blind, peaceful and limits your life.

The religious people stop treating their lives to serve God, God is happy to see someone walk all day from door to door to spread his word? God is happy to see your most faithful servants go hungry?

But see that the one who is at the top of the church lives in luxury, has everything from the good and the best, why? If everyone is the same Because the head of the church who does not even do anything becomes richer and that believer who is in the street all day knocking on doors of people is getting poorer every day?

Religion is very dangerous

Actually, freedom in America came about basically because of Christianity.

People came to America in the 1500s and later, for Christian religious freedom.

When the wealthy people wanted to get free from King George (back in the 1700s), they had to promise freedom (in the Constitution and Amendments), so that the Christian people (most colonists) would join their battle against King George.

It is this Constitution that maintains much of the freedom in America today... all based on Christianity (Christian colonist acceptance). Without Christianity, odds are we wouldn't have this freedom.

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April 11, 2017, 06:52:02 PM
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It is this Constitution that maintains much of the freedom in America today... all based on Christianity

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

The only mention of religion in the Constitution is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
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April 11, 2017, 07:04:02 PM
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It is this Constitution that maintains much of the freedom in America today... all based on Christianity

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

The only mention of religion in the Constitution is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

The Constitution would not have been accepted if the makers had not added the Amendments, and the people had not ratified the Amendments.

Most of the people were Christian people. Religious freedom was the reason they came over here. They would not have ratified if the Constitution was not acceptable to Christianity. So, the Constitution was based on the Christianity of the people.

Further, research this yourself. In the first years after the U.S. Government started, Christian church services were held in government buildings. And it was Government officials that did this. The people not only allowed, but they approved. Christianity wasn't consider just a religion. It was considered foundational world and life truth.

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April 11, 2017, 08:13:48 PM
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It is this Constitution that maintains much of the freedom in America today... all based on Christianity

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

The only mention of religion in the Constitution is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

The Constitution would not have been accepted if the makers had not added the Amendments, and the people had not ratified the Amendments.

Most of the people were Christian people. Religious freedom was the reason they came over here. They would not have ratified if the Constitution was not acceptable to Christianity. So, the Constitution was based on the Christianity of the people.

Further, research this yourself. In the first years after the U.S. Government started, Christian church services were held in government buildings. And it was Government officials that did this. The people not only allowed, but they approved. Christianity wasn't consider just a religion. It was considered foundational world and life truth.


Sorry, you may have misunderstood... I asked if you have any EVIDENCE

Something like this:
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The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

Or this:
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“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

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“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814

Gotta love Thomas Jefferson... he literally rewrote the bible, to take out the magical bullshit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

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The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.
~Founding Father James Madison, 1819, from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

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April 11, 2017, 08:20:23 PM
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It is this Constitution that maintains much of the freedom in America today... all based on Christianity

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

The only mention of religion in the Constitution is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

The Constitution would not have been accepted if the makers had not added the Amendments, and the people had not ratified the Amendments.

Most of the people were Christian people. Religious freedom was the reason they came over here. They would not have ratified if the Constitution was not acceptable to Christianity. So, the Constitution was based on the Christianity of the people.

Further, research this yourself. In the first years after the U.S. Government started, Christian church services were held in government buildings. And it was Government officials that did this. The people not only allowed, but they approved. Christianity wasn't consider just a religion. It was considered foundational world and life truth.


Sorry, you may have misunderstood... I asked if you have any EVIDENCE

Something like this:
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“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

Or this:
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“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

Or this:
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“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814

Gotta love Thomas Jefferson... he literally rewrote the bible, to take out the magical bullshit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
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“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


Even more basic evidence is in the 6th, 7th, 9th, and 10th Amendments. These Amendments were ratified directly into place by the people, who were basically Christian. These Amendments are what stands. People use them on a regular basis. If people understood the strength in them, they could use Government to put Government down.

All the writings you listed have nothing to do with the founding documents, The Constitution and the Amendments, which stand because Christian people made them to stand.

Christianity is behind the peace we have in America.

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EDIT: I guess I stand corrected. You asked for evidence, but all I supplied was proof. It must be that I don't want to get into talking a bunch of philosophy.
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That is one faithful little child. I wonder if I were ever in that pitiful of a condition that I would have strength to praise God the way that child does.

The kid probably doesn't even realize that he will be in Heaven shortly, and that there is THAT great reason, alone, to praise God. Marvelous faith of a child!

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That is one faithful little child. I wonder if I were ever in that pitiful of a condition that I would have strength to praise God the way that child does.

The kid probably doesn't even realize that he will be in Heaven shortly, and that there is THAT great reason, alone, to praise God. Marvelous faith of a child!

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Do people completely reject God or only Christianity? Can Islam or Buddhism have the support of those against Christians? I do not understand such a tough confrontation of opinions.
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That is one faithful little child. I wonder if I were ever in that pitiful of a condition that I would have strength to praise God the way that child does.

The kid probably doesn't even realize that he will be in Heaven shortly, and that there is THAT great reason, alone, to praise God. Marvelous faith of a child!

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Do people completely reject God or only Christianity? Can Islam or Buddhism have the support of those against Christians? I do not understand such a tough confrontation of opinions.
To heaven! Are you kidding me? The child is unlike all others and you in particular have not committed any sins. For his God is deprived of life? Punishment without guilt. Religion is not only a poison but also a complete lie. If there was no religion and warfare on earth would be less.

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That is one faithful little child. I wonder if I were ever in that pitiful of a condition that I would have strength to praise God the way that child does.

The kid probably doesn't even realize that he will be in Heaven shortly, and that there is THAT great reason, alone, to praise God. Marvelous faith of a child!

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There you go again, placing yourself above god, choosing who goes to heaven or not.

Twice in one week. Tut, tut. Getting to be a little habit of yours.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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That is one faithful little child. I wonder if I were ever in that pitiful of a condition that I would have strength to praise God the way that child does.

The kid probably doesn't even realize that he will be in Heaven shortly, and that there is THAT great reason, alone, to praise God. Marvelous faith of a child!

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There you go again, placing yourself above god, choosing who goes to heaven or not.

Twice in one week. Tut, tut. Getting to be a little habit of yours.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


There you go again. In one post acknowledging that God exists, and in another stating that He doesn't. Somebody as mixed up as you are absolutely can't make any sense in the things you say.

Not that my pointing this out to you is going to change you. But it might get through a little, and sooner or later you might straighten out. Let's hope it is sooner. Later might not exist for you, and you just might wind up in worse shape than the kid in the picture.

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April 12, 2017, 03:18:23 AM
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It depends on how seriously you take it.  If you take everything the bible says with an open mind and a perception of possibilities then it can be a nice thing to believe in a higher power, at an atheist would say like believing in fairy tales.

However if you are a devout mindless sheep who will take the bible to the grave and assault others beliefs in "gods name" then you both limit your own perceptions and subsequently your quality of life will deteriorate.  And worse you could even be hurting others with your doctrine.

Its poison only if you try to force others to believe it.
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That is one faithful little child. I wonder if I were ever in that pitiful of a condition that I would have strength to praise God the way that child does.

The kid probably doesn't even realize that he will be in Heaven shortly, and that there is THAT great reason, alone, to praise God. Marvelous faith of a child!

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There you go again, placing yourself above god, choosing who goes to heaven or not.

Twice in one week. Tut, tut. Getting to be a little habit of yours.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


There you go again. In one post acknowledging that God exists, and in another stating that He doesn't. Somebody as mixed up as you are absolutely can't make any sense in the things you say.

Not that my pointing this out to you is going to change you. But it might get through a little, and sooner or later you might straighten out. Let's hope it is sooner. Later might not exist for you, and you just might wind up in worse shape than the kid in the picture.

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LOL  Cheesy Silly BADlogic.
Since you have place yourself above god, that means you've made yourself god.
Of course you exist. You're posting messages on here.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Another example of what happens when a person talks plenty, but does very little thinking.



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April 12, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
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It depends on how seriously you take it.  If you take everything the bible says with an open mind and a perception of possibilities then it can be a nice thing to believe in a higher power, at an atheist would say like believing in fairy tales.

However if you are a devout mindless sheep who will take the bible to the grave and assault others beliefs in "gods name" then you both limit your own perceptions and subsequently your quality of life will deteriorate.  And worse you could even be hurting others with your doctrine.

Its poison only if you try to force others to believe it.

Yes, if violent compulsion begins to be believed in some religion, then this will already be a real poison. And so, for entertainment, this is quite acceptable as viewing fantastic films or reading fairy tales.
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