Christianity is Poison

[Lancusters]

Christianity was not a poison belief it is by the atheist belief. Though I do believed that religion didn't give any good help to anyone, instead giving confusion to anybody. Also it is a mysterious thing sometimes

Nothing secret in religion, no. It is based on deception. And it does not concern only Christians. Every religion is poison. It poisons the human mind and teaches him to be submissive. Only those who don't believe in religion achieve something in our life. They often pay tribute to the fashion of religion, but their actions shows that they don't believe in God.

[Moloch]

Could someone please explain to me what is going on in these videos?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/25/what-sort-of-weird-mop-slapping-new-church-ritual-is-this/

Since when do christian pastors bash their congregation in the face with a mop?

These are just crazy heads, they fuck it up for every organization (read: Islamic terrorists, hyper conservative evangelicals, etc). I can't promise you, mop bashery is not part of the Good Book. But, it makes for a great clip.

The most extreme elements of an organization are usually the definition of said organization, to those with little knowledge of the true ideology of the organization. I see it on CNN and Fox, it's a fault of rhetoric.Its not partisan, I mean. Religions are full of rhetoric, same.principles apply. Jesus was the best rhetorician that has walked the Earth, it would be dishonest to deny this.

ROFL

First, Jesus never existed

Second, biblical quotes are far from profound (some are quite horrifying)... the bible is not known as a literary work of art by any stretch of the imagination

... to you. I'm sorry you don't have the light of the Lord in your life, but, you don't seem to care, so meh. I'm not one of those proselytizing  Christians. You pick your own path

But, alot of people in the United States would disagree with you. Doesn't invalidate your choice, but something to think about.

Do you think I've never read the bible?

It's SHIT... worst book I've EVER read... it's horrible from cover to cover

Have you actually read the bible?  Not just what you're told in church, but actually read it from cover to cover?

No?  Then you aren't qualified to comment, are you?

Here's a random meme since I haven't posted one in this thread for a while

[GreenBits]

Could someone please explain to me what is going on in these videos?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/25/what-sort-of-weird-mop-slapping-new-church-ritual-is-this/

Since when do christian pastors bash their congregation in the face with a mop?

These are just crazy heads, they fuck it up for every organization (read: Islamic terrorists, hyper conservative evangelicals, etc). I can't promise you, mop bashery is not part of the Good Book. But, it makes for a great clip.

The most extreme elements of an organization are usually the definition of said organization, to those with little knowledge of the true ideology of the organization. I see it on CNN and Fox, it's a fault of rhetoric.Its not partisan, I mean. Religions are full of rhetoric, same.principles apply. Jesus was the best rhetorician that has walked the Earth, it would be dishonest to deny this.

ROFL

First, Jesus never existed

Second, biblical quotes are far from profound (some are quite horrifying)... the bible is not known as a literary work of art by any stretch of the imagination

... to you. I'm sorry you don't have the light of the Lord in your life, but, you don't seem to care, so meh. I'm not one of those proselytizing  Christians. You pick your own path

But, alot of people in the United States would disagree with you. Doesn't invalidate your choice, but something to think about.

Blame the education system....Another 20 years and the US will be behind China, Russia, India and Brazil...never mind Europe.

Sorry but Christian universities will not cut it to lead the world in science and technology.  Do you want to see what the world looks like when religion takes over the education system?  Take a look at the Middle East.  How many Nobel Prize winners are from the Muslim countries?  That is the future the US is facing if you guys continue down this 'Christian path'.

Who said anything about Christian universities? Education should be secular.DeVos needs to sit the fuck down. Dont think all Christians have drank the evangelical cool aid. There are suh things as moderate Christians.

By alot of people, I mean Christians, period.

Don't look now, but some of us are pro choice too. The blasphemy.

[GreenBits]

Could someone please explain to me what is going on in these videos?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/25/what-sort-of-weird-mop-slapping-new-church-ritual-is-this/

Since when do christian pastors bash their congregation in the face with a mop?

These are just crazy heads, they fuck it up for every organization (read: Islamic terrorists, hyper conservative evangelicals, etc). I can't promise you, mop bashery is not part of the Good Book. But, it makes for a great clip.

The most extreme elements of an organization are usually the definition of said organization, to those with little knowledge of the true ideology of the organization. I see it on CNN and Fox, it's a fault of rhetoric.Its not partisan, I mean. Religions are full of rhetoric, same.principles apply. Jesus was the best rhetorician that has walked the Earth, it would be dishonest to deny this.

ROFL

First, Jesus never existed

Second, biblical quotes are far from profound (some are quite horrifying)... the bible is not known as a literary work of art by any stretch of the imagination

... to you. I'm sorry you don't have the light of the Lord in your life, but, you don't seem to care, so meh. I'm not one of those proselytizing  Christians. You pick your own path

But, alot of people in the United States would disagree with you. Doesn't invalidate your choice, but something to think about.

Do you think I've never read the bible?

It's SHIT... worst book I've EVER read... it's horrible from cover to cover

Have you actually read the bible?  Not just what you're told in church, but actually read it from cover to cover?

No?  Then you aren't qualified to comment, are you?

Here's a random meme since I haven't posted one in this thread for a while

I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.

And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.

AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself

[CoinCube]

ROFL

First, Jesus never existed

Second, biblical quotes are far from profound (some are quite horrifying)... the bible is not known as a literary work of art by any stretch of the imagination

Blame the education system....Another 20 years and the US will be behind China, Russia, India and Brazil...never mind Europe.

Sorry but Christian universities will not cut it to lead the world in science and technology.  Do you want to see what the world looks like when religion takes over the education system?  Take a look at the Middle East.  How many Nobel Prize winners are from the Muslim countries?  That is the future the US is facing if you guys continue down this 'Christian path'.

Moloch are you so blind in your hatred of Christianity that you have lost the ability to think rationally? Denying the historical existence of Jesus is just dumb. Mass movements do not appear out of thin air. Do you think Julius Caesar never existed either or Mohammad. Maybe George Washington was just made up huh?

af_newbie religion is not incompatible with science and progress. In fact the opposite is true. Monotheism is the foundation that has allowed us to progress as far as we have. I would refer you to Religion and Progress for the reasons why.

A vastly disproportionate number of Noble Prize Winners come from the rich tradition of Monotheism.
  
Richard Dawkins Perplexed by High Number of Jewish Nobel Prize Winners
https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/10/29/richard-dawkins-perplexed-by-high-number-of-jewish-nobel-prize-winners/

The usually self-assured biologist, author and atheist Richard Dawkins expressed his bewilderment at the disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes won by Jews in a recent interview with the New Republic, saying he is “intrigued by” the  “phenomenally high” number of Jewish laureates.

Addressing the controversy surrounding a Tweet he wrote during the conferment of Nobel prizes earlier this month, Dawkins offered up something of a mea culpa, stating: “That was unfortunate. I should have compared religion with religion and compared Islam not with Trinity College but with Jews, because the number of Jews who have won Nobel Prizes is phenomenally high.”

Continuing, he said: “Race does not come into it. It is pure religion and culture. Something about the cultural tradition of Jews is way, way more sympathetic to science and learning and intellectual pursuits than Islam. That would have been a fair comparison. Ironically, I originally wrote the tweet with Jews and thought, That might give offense. And so I thought I better change it.”

Asked why he thought it is that Jews have won so many Nobel Prizes, Dawkins was forthright with his uncertainty.

“I haven’t thought it through. I don’t know. But I don’t think it is a minor thing; it is colossal. I think more than 20 percent of Nobel Prizes have been won by Jews.”

According to the Jewish Virtual Library, since the Nobel was first awarded in 1901 approximately 193 of the 855 honorees have been Jewish (22%). Jews make up less than 0.2% of the global population.

This year 6 of 12 laureates were Jewish. The 13th laureate, for the Nobel Peace Prize, was awarded to an organization and not an individual.

What about Christians? Well they took home a massive share of the prizes too.

Christians: 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/christians-65-4-of-nobel-prize-laureates.174202/

According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes). Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards.

85% of Noble Prize winners are Christian or Jewish. Christians and Jews together make up only about 32% of the world population.

[Sithara007]

85% of Noble Prize winners are Christian or Jewish. Christians and Jews together make up only about 32% of the world population.

You are wrong about the figures. First of all, you are grouping Jews and Christians together. Jews have won 197 Nobel prizes till now, i.e 22.4% of the total. Remember that they are just around 0.15% of the world population. A Jew is 100 times more likely than a Christian to win the Nobel Prize.

And secondly, many of the "Christian Nobel laureates" in your list are actually non-religious or atheists.

[CoinCube]

85% of Noble Prize winners are Christian or Jewish. Christians and Jews together make up only about 32% of the world population.

You are wrong about the figures. First of all, you are grouping Jews and Christians together. Jews have won 197 Nobel prizes till now, i.e 22.4% of the total. Remember that they are just around 0.15% of the world population. A Jew is 100 times more likely than a Christian to win the Nobel Prize.

And secondly, many of the "Christian Nobel laureates" in your list are actually non-religious or atheists.

The figures are not wrong. Here is the source read it yourself.

https://books.google.com.br/books?id=3jrbmL-DgZQC&pg=PA57&source=gbs_toc_r&hl=pt-BR#v=onepage&q&f=false

I specifically bolded the information on the large number of Jews who won Nobel Prizes. The quoted article was from 2013. At that time Jews had won 193 prizes now it's a few more.

There is no denying the accomplishments of the Jews in this area are particularly impressive. That is why I provided the numbers for both Jews and Christians separately before I provided a combined total.

[ridery99]

Could someone please explain to me what is going on in these videos?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/25/what-sort-of-weird-mop-slapping-new-church-ritual-is-this/

Since when do christian pastors bash their congregation in the face with a mop?

These are just crazy heads, they fuck it up for every organization (read: Islamic terrorists, hyper conservative evangelicals, etc). I can't promise you, mop bashery is not part of the Good Book. But, it makes for a great clip.

The most extreme elements of an organization are usually the definition of said organization, to those with little knowledge of the true ideology of the organization. I see it on CNN and Fox, it's a fault of rhetoric.Its not partisan, I mean. Religions are full of rhetoric, same.principles apply. Jesus was the best rhetorician that has walked the Earth, it would be dishonest to deny this.

ROFL

First, Jesus never existed

Second, biblical quotes are far from profound (some are quite horrifying)... the bible is not known as a literary work of art by any stretch of the imagination

Darwin never existed.

[Aikonio]

Could someone please explain to me what is going on in these videos?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/25/what-sort-of-weird-mop-slapping-new-church-ritual-is-this/

Since when do christian pastors bash their congregation in the face with a mop?

These are just crazy heads, they fuck it up for every organization (read: Islamic terrorists, hyper conservative evangelicals, etc). I can't promise you, mop bashery is not part of the Good Book. But, it makes for a great clip.

The most extreme elements of an organization are usually the definition of said organization, to those with little knowledge of the true ideology of the organization. I see it on CNN and Fox, it's a fault of rhetoric.Its not partisan, I mean. Religions are full of rhetoric, same.principles apply. Jesus was the best rhetorician that has walked the Earth, it would be dishonest to deny this.

ROFL

First, Jesus never existed

Second, biblical quotes are far from profound (some are quite horrifying)... the bible is not known as a literary work of art by any stretch of the imagination

Darwin never existed.

There is evidence that such a person really existed, but too many myths were invented about him.

[Moloch]

Could someone please explain to me what is going on in these videos?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/25/what-sort-of-weird-mop-slapping-new-church-ritual-is-this/

Since when do christian pastors bash their congregation in the face with a mop?

These are just crazy heads, they fuck it up for every organization (read: Islamic terrorists, hyper conservative evangelicals, etc). I can't promise you, mop bashery is not part of the Good Book. But, it makes for a great clip.

The most extreme elements of an organization are usually the definition of said organization, to those with little knowledge of the true ideology of the organization. I see it on CNN and Fox, it's a fault of rhetoric.Its not partisan, I mean. Religions are full of rhetoric, same.principles apply. Jesus was the best rhetorician that has walked the Earth, it would be dishonest to deny this.

ROFL

First, Jesus never existed

Second, biblical quotes are far from profound (some are quite horrifying)... the bible is not known as a literary work of art by any stretch of the imagination

... to you. I'm sorry you don't have the light of the Lord in your life, but, you don't seem to care, so meh. I'm not one of those proselytizing  Christians. You pick your own path

But, alot of people in the United States would disagree with you. Doesn't invalidate your choice, but something to think about.

Do you think I've never read the bible?

It's SHIT... worst book I've EVER read... it's horrible from cover to cover

Have you actually read the bible?  Not just what you're told in church, but actually read it from cover to cover?

No?  Then you aren't qualified to comment, are you?

Here's a random meme since I haven't posted one in this thread for a while

I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.

And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.

AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself

You either have not read much/any of the bible, or you think quotes like these are good?

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Translation:
If you rape a virgin who is engaged, you are both to be stoned to death
If you rape a virgin who is not engaged, you must marry her and pay her father 50 shekels of silver


Here's another winner...

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

That's just sick... if you have "a stubborn and rebellious son"... you are to murder him?  WHAT THE FUCK?!?

Literary work of art right there... so beautiful to read... makes me weep

Where the fuck do you get off calling this shit "A marvelous piece of literature"?

[sergeyzol]

....

I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.

And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.

AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself

It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you passages like these:

OLD TESTAMENT:

Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden

NEW TESTAMENT (written thousands of years after the OLD testament):

Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes
Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands
Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword
Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey
Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy
Luke 19:26-2 - genocide
Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners
Revelation 2:5 - more killing
Revelation 2:23 - killing children
Psalm 137:9 - killing babies

How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me.  It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people.  If you enjoyed it, you are not well.  You might be a psychopath.  But then again you already knew that.

Yes, this is a collection of different proverbs invented by man, not God. God would never have given people such instructions.

[CoinCube]

It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you passages like these:

OLD TESTAMENT:

Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden

NEW TESTAMENT (written thousands of years after the OLD testament):

Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes
Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands
Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword
Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey
Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy
Luke 19:26-2 - genocide
Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners
Revelation 2:5 - more killing
Revelation 2:23 - killing children
Psalm 137:9 - killing babies

How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me.  It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people.  If you enjoyed it, you are not well.  You might be a psychopath.  But then again you already knew that.

There is no doubt that the punishments for crimes in the ancient Israeli society were very harsh. It is important to note that these were the rules given to a small tribe of Hebrew exiles who's were at all times very much in danger of being wiped out by their pagan neighbors. Strict social conformity was likely vital for survival at that time. Later rabbinic interpretations in Judaism and the teachings of Jesus in Christianity would allow for much more compassion and leanancy. Nevertheless asking why the punishments were so harsh is a fair and a hard question. Here is one answer.

Why Are Torah Punishments So Harsh?
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1269629/jewish/Why-Are-Torah-Punishments-So-Harsh.htm

Question:

I know there is an infinite, loving G‑d. It's just that I can't get my head around a few things in the Torah, like death penalties for gays, wizards, and people who curse their parents. Even if these people have erred, couldn't they just be asked to stop or be punished with exile? That's why it's hard to believe that a G‑d who can make a billion galaxies and stars would want us to kill over different beliefs.

Response:

Before answering your question, it's worthwhile to note just how difficult it actually is to impose the death penalty in Jewish law.

First of all, circumstantial evidence won't cut it. You need two impeccable witnesses who had observed the person transgressing an act punishable by death. Next, these two witnesses had to have warned the person of the capital punishment he could receive for doing the prohibited act, even if he already knew. Finally, the person must have committed the transgression immediately after the warning. Any hesitation and the death penalty is off. The same applies to other forms of punishment.

To meet all of these conditions and incur the death penalty seems more like committing suicide then simply transgressing.

Nevertheless, the questions remains: As long as you are not hurting anyone else, sinning is your own private business. Why should you receive any sort of punishment? To get to the bottom of this, let's fly to the moon.

On December 24, 1968, the crew of Apollo 8 made history as the first astronauts to go into orbit around both sides of the moon and beam back pictures of the lunar landscape. The next day, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, of blessed memory, discussed a lesson to be learned from the event.1

Central Command trains the astronauts how to eat, sleep, dress, and behave in all areas of their life while on board. Deviations, they are told, can mean the waste of billions of dollars. Hearing that such large sums of government money are at stake, the astronauts take every detail of their instructions very seriously.

Moreover, astronaut compliance has nothing to do with how much, if at all, they understand the benefits of the instructions, or the damage caused by not complying. Only the experts on the ground, who spent years researching the issues, know all the specific details. Therefore, the astronauts follow orders without question, even if they don't know the entire reasoning behind everything, because they understand that there are dire consequences for themselves and their team members.

Neither does an astronaut say, "Look, I'm only one of three—which makes me the minority. So if I don't do everything correctly, it's not going to make such a difference." Rather, he knows that any one miscalculation on his part endangers not only himself, but the other two astronauts as well.

Like a flight manual, the Torah guides and instructs us for a safe mission through life. In it, G‑d warns us of the 365 don'ts (the negative commandments) that can derail us and jeopardize our life mission. We don't always know why certain actions are more damaging and dangerous than others, and therefore carry a more severe punishment. But Mission Control does. So we listen.

Moreover, our decisions impact not only ourselves, but our friends, family, community, and the entire world. Actually, the entire idea can be found in a Midrash, composed long before anyone dreamed of space travel:

Moses exclaimed, "One person sins, and You are angry at the entire community?"2

Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai taught a parable for this, of people sitting in a boat. One of them took a drill and began drilling underneath his seat.

"What are you doing?" demanded his friends.

"What concern is it of yours?" he responded. "Am I not drilling under my own seat?"

They said to him: "Yes, but the waters will come up and drown the entire boat."3

The Mishnah states, "Why was the human being created alone? ... To teach you that every person must say: For me the world was created."4 This world, as well as all of the spiritual realms leading to it, was created for each and every person individually. As Maimonides teaches, "A person should always view himself and the entire world as if it is exactly balanced. If he does one mitzvah, he is meritorious, for he has weighed himself and the entire world to the side of merit, and he has caused for himself and for all, salvation and redemption."5

Taking all this into account, let's look back at our situation: We're talking about a very stable, Torah-directed society—evidenced by the fact that there is a Bet Din that has the power to enforce Jewish law. We are talking about a community where people know the difference between right and wrong and only very rarely does someone step out of those boundaries. One person comes along and decides to do something totally outrageous, despite a warning from two witnesses and right in front of them, knowing exactly what he is doing and what will happen to him for doing it. Basically, drilling a hole in a watertight boat for every and any sin to enter.

Truthfully, I doubt that such cases occurred too often. Rabbi Akiva was of the opinion that a court that issues a death sentence once in 70 years is a murderous court. But the message is there: Don't imagine you're an island to yourself. Think twice before sinning. The entire world depends on you.

[Eternu]

Are you aware what the Quran says about those that don't follow Allah?

Are you aware that the Koran doesn't have nearly the strength that the Bible has? The strength of the Koran is in Stockholm Syndrome, even though it isn't called that. Bible fear is in eternal reality. Come out of the fear, and be saved.

Both the Bible and Quran both have their good and bad points, both have their own unique flaws and quirks.
It all tittle-tattle at the end of the day, not really of any importance.

Are you aware that the Bible doesn't have nearly the strength that the truth has?
The Bible vs Truth is important. Unlike the unimportant Quran vs Bible,

Sober up while you still have the chance.  

You totally misunderstand. The Bible is truth. The thing that is NOT truth is often the misinterpretation that people place on it.

The fact that you are against the Bible and truth is self-evident. Therefore you are falsehood.

You totally misunderstand. The Quran is truth. The thing that is NOT truth is often the misinterpretation that people place on it.

The fact that you are against the Quran and truth is self-evident. Therefore you are falsehood.



*See how silly you sound.*

The Koran and the Bible are books written by people for the purpose of a certain benefit for them, so there can not be truth in them.

I do not agree with you, when you say that Bible and Koran are written by people by people for there own purposes. I think that general idea on beginning was to write a book that will guide people true life. To live happy and good life. I think that it was only later that greedy and bad people used books like that for there own purposes. And do not forget that there are people who miss understood what is written there so ....

[kpcian]

This is a totally bullshit talking. How you can say that religion is poison.?. What's your logical backup against that sort of Vogue topic. Have you any logic.?.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going  according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.

[Moloch]

This is a totally bullshit talking. How you can say that religion is poison.?. What's your logical backup against that sort of Vogue topic. Have you any logic.?.
Are you come from nature.?. Aren't you came from any procedure.?. Everything is come from different process,
Everything is going  according some laws which is directed by the Creator.
There is only one Creator, whatever name you can give to him. There is no logic behind non believing about the Creator.

Did you bother to read a single post in this thread before replying with such nonsense?

If you could fucking read, you would see the logic of 645 posts...

You are like that idiot kid in class who asks the same question the teacher JUST answered!

[GreenBits]

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I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.

And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.

AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself

It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you have passages like these:

OLD TESTAMENT:

Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden



How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me.  It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people.  If you enjoyed it, you are not well.  You might be a psychopath.  But then again you already knew that.

I do not tend to shy away from the realities of this existence. Cannibalism, sacrifice, slavery, they are features of my reality, unfortunately. I live on planet Earth, it's quite fucked here.

It's easier for me because I do not share your prejudices. I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written. Don't agree with the Koran, but the symbols, and the fact that it rhymes in an odd way, is intriguing to me. But the Bible, tour de force.

I might not be well.

I may need counseling

You sound bitter, man. Not resistant, but bitter. Why do you hate Christianity so much? What happened to you, if you will share?  Do you want to debate with us, or yell at us? I'm being genuine, I'm not trying to convert you or anything, but I would like to have genuine discourse.

[Moloch]

I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.

Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")

I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)

The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)

The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...

I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction



Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...

Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?

[GreenBits]

I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.

Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")

I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)

The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)

The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...

I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction



Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...

Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?

Thank you for proper discourse, I appreciate you genuinely.

What claims have I made? Ive stated that I think the Bible is the bees knees, as far as writing goes, as well as the Koran. Ive also stated that I think Jesus was a badass speaker. And that most Christians don't diddy bip each other with mops during service. I'm not really try to sell you anything, anyone anything, for that matter. We haven't really discussed your particular deal with Christianity,  I don't know your beef.. I would enjoy the conversation, I like to test my faith and reaffirm it. It would also contribute to my post count, which is most righteous for my bitcoin wallet.

So, let's start an actual discussion about Christianity,. I agree with your views on organized religion. The sects, and not the message, are the problem in my book. People go off by themselves and interpret the book in novel ways, then come back to the fold with unfamiliar ideas that the whole rejects. At the worst, these sects turn into cults, social societies that reflect a singular person ideas, rather than the message. But the message itself, in my opinion, is beyond reproach. Yes, there is shittyness in the Bible; it reflects a harder time when Gods touch was more evident. We werent as smart, the symbols were alot bokder, so to speak, to drive the point home. It's not cute, the Old Testament reads like the Game of Thrones. Mofos dying left and right the worst ways. But the point is to learn from their adversity; the tales were recorded to instill ideas on future generations. God's wrath is a bitch, ask Old Testament Jews. But his love is infinite; and the teachings of Jesus reflect this, a softer tone with biting rhetoric that teaches moral indignation and divine wrath , but a civil, pacifist approach to conflict resolution. That's what the Big Guy intended, but sadly, the message got list, so to speak, in modern society.

So, where do we disagree? I don't have time to read this whole thread, bit I speed read, so if you want me to familiarize myself with your previously stated positions, inform me, and allow me some time to research. I love a good synthetic conversation, in my opinion, a good argument among friends about something stimulating is God's gift. Floats my boat

So let's get to know each other, Moloch. Your move.

[BADecker]

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I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.

And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.

AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself

It is not easy to 'finish' the Bible when you have passages like these:

OLD TESTAMENT:

Kings 6:29 - cannibalism
Judges 11:29-40 - human sacrifice
Leviticus 25:44 - slavery
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 - genocide
Leviticus 10:6 - you will die if you rip your clothes
Leviticus 19:19 - breeding cattle is illegal
Leviticus 21 - some bat crazy rules for priests, do not fuck young boys should be somewhere there....
Leviticus 20:10 - killing of adulterers
Leviticus 20:13 - killing of gays
Leviticus 20:9 - killing children who dishonor mother or father
Leviticus 24:16 - stoning people if they say God's name
Deuteronomy 28:53 - more cannibalism
Genesis 19:8 - prostituting your virgin daughters
Leviticus 19:19 - not mixing two kinds of material for clothing :-)
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - more stoning for not being a virgin
Exodus 31:14-15 - killing of people who work on Sabbath
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 - cutting off hands
Deuteronomy 23:1 - you'll not go to heaven if your testicles are damaged
Leviticus 19:27 - no haircuts of any kind
Leviticus 19:28 - no tattoos, or else
Leviticus 11:7-8 - eating pork is forbidden

NEW TESTAMENT (written thousands of years after the OLD testament):

Matthew 5:29 - plucking out eyes
Matthew 5:30 - cutting off hands
Matthew 10:34 - waging wars by a sword
Corinthians 14:34-35 - women should be quiet and obey
Mark 10:11-12 - only marry once otherwise check Leviticus 20:10 for remedy
Luke 19:26-2 - genocide
Romans 1:20-32 - killing sinners
Revelation 2:5 - more killing
Revelation 2:23 - killing children
Psalm 137:9 - killing babies

How can you believe it is a 'word of God' is beyond me.  It is a collection of stories, proverbs, legal punishments and recommendations on how and when to kill people.  If you enjoyed it, you are not well.  You might be a psychopath.  But then again you already knew that.

What in the world backward place do you live at? Go to any popular bookstore. Look on Amazon. People devour this kind of stuff.

When the Bible talks about it, the Bible is talking about ways to make things more bearable for people, and even righteous. Quit taking things out of context in the Bible.

[Moloch]

I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written.

Note: you sound exactly like Trump, a known liar/con-artist (you know its a lie when he says, "believe me")

I haven't read the Quran myself, but I hear it is elegant when read in Arabic (but many become atheist after reading it in English, they say it's ugly)

The bible on the other hand, not so much... It's not poetic, it has pages full of laws, genealogies, etc., not elegant (though most of the laws are quite amusing... can't wear clothing made of 2 different fabrics, or eat meat and cheese in the same meal... wtf?)

The bible is full of atrocious behavior (as noted above), which you apparently don't mind...

I agree that 2000+ years ago, times were different... but the point is... to an eternal god, it should not change... a god with no beginning or end, who knows all of space-time, would not be such a prick in the old testament (angry, jealous, vengeful, spiteful), and a nice guy in the new testament... eternity doesn't work like that, it's a blatant contradiction



Multiple people have provided passages contradicting your claim that the bible is elegantly written...

Do you have any passages to support your claim, or are we supposed to believe you without any facts or evidence to back up your claim?

What claims have I made? Ive stated that I think the Bible is the bees knees, as far as writing goes. Ive also stated that I think Jesus was a badass speaker.
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It would also contribute to my post count, which is most righteous for my bitcoin wallet.

So, where do we disagree?

So let's get to know each other, Moloch. Your move.

Did you just completely ignore my entire post?

Do you dispute my claim that an elegant book would not include pages full of laughably silly laws where the penalty is death (Leviticus 18-22), and pages of nothing but names (genealogy)?  That alone contradicts the elegance claim, doesn't it?

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that the bible is a elegantly written, "the bees knees as far as writing goes"? Can you provide any example of elegant writing in the bible?  Anything at all?

This is the account of Shem’s family line.
Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad. And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah. And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber. And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg. And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu. And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug. And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor. And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.
When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah. And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.
After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.

How is this elegant, poetic, or anything other than bullshit?

It seems like you only care about your post count, and not having an actual discussion, which requires reading, answering questions, posting facts and evidence to back up a claim, etc