Is Gulden a good investment?

[JwJimJim]

Meantime Gulden is back at 8ct again, pretty stable the last few weeks, which is remarkable when you consider the BTC storm going on.

Few weeks ago 8ct was the bottom, then 11ct was the average. Last week it seems to have problems to stay at 10ct and is 9ct the average (check CMC). I agree, it looks stable, but there is still a small downtrend (even in Euros).

Rijk needs to start impressing the crypto community , leaving us out is not good for the price. It's obvious the "mainstream" is not enough.

[BioMike]

Meantime Gulden is back at 8ct again, pretty stable the last few weeks, which is remarkable when you consider the BTC storm going on.

Few weeks ago 8ct was the bottom, then 11ct was the average. Last week it seems to have problems to stay at 10ct and is 9ct the average (check CMC). I agree, it looks stable, but there is still a small downtrend (even in Euros).

Rijk needs to start impressing the crypto community , leaving us out is not good for the price. It's obvious the "mainstream" is not enough.

"mainstream"... there is no "mainstream" yet. I heard he turned down multiple opportunities to get it closer to that, but apparently the dev team wants to do it all by themselves.

[DashNLG]

if I could advise the team I would recommend no news must be announced until after the main bitcoin hard fork is over in slightly under 9 days time.

https://en.insider.pro/analytics/2017-10-16/countdown-new-hard-fork-what-you-need-know-about-segwit2x/

EG. Beta testing starts tomorrow , don't announce it until the bitcoin hard fork is over or no one will notice the news. Play it smart because traders will be looking for another coin and will only care about news after the segwit2x fork is done.

[TimBurton]

Gulden figures including new merchants for October:

http://guldenbites.nl/en/2017/11/01/gulden-figures-oktober/

Thank you Jean.Luc for posting Gulden news here, will you please keep us posted about the latest news for Gulden as I won't be joining the new slack. Salute.

[RichPissman]

Meantime Gulden is back at 8ct again, pretty stable the last few weeks, which is remarkable when you consider the BTC storm going on.

Few weeks ago 8ct was the bottom, then 11ct was the average. Last week it seems to have problems to stay at 10ct and is 9ct the average (check CMC). I agree, it looks stable, but there is still a small downtrend (even in Euros).

Rijk needs to start impressing the crypto community , leaving us out is not good for the price. It's obvious the "mainstream" is not enough.

Rijk only want's to impress his family by showing them he has managed to rip-off over $ 4,000,000 from his community and handing them well paid jobs from that stack. Not that they actually do any work for it, they leave that up to the low priced dev in South Africa. This is also why the updates take 10 times as long as promised.

You see, it's in their blood, they also tried to rip off the Dutch voters last year by trying to get a fat allowance in the parliament for actually doing.. NOTHING! Yep, that was their plan, fortunately the Dutch voters were smarter than the blind following Gulden zombies, who dumped their hard earned BTC into his un-regulated wallet.

Rijk is laughing his ass off now, no one seems to even bother to check where the funds went. No one dares to even mention the words accountability or transparency in their nazi style run slack anymore! They are all afraid to get banned. Also the sense of loss has made them Gulden junkies that eat Rijks shit if he commands them to.

[BioMike]

if I could advise the team I would recommend no news must be announced until after the main bitcoin hard fork is over in slightly under 9 days time.

https://en.insider.pro/analytics/2017-10-16/countdown-new-hard-fork-what-you-need-know-about-segwit2x/

EG. Beta testing starts tomorrow , don't announce it until the bitcoin hard fork is over or no one will notice the news. Play it smart because traders will be looking for another coin and will only care about news after the segwit2x fork is done.

Meh... those "news" announcements only come when people are fed up with the situation and start bitching.... Hasn't been the first time, won't be the last time.

And after the BTC fork, there will be new excuses why people are not interested in NLG, or why NLG won't go to the moon.

[BioMike]

Meantime Gulden is back at 8ct again, pretty stable the last few weeks, which is remarkable when you consider the BTC storm going on.

Few weeks ago 8ct was the bottom, then 11ct was the average. Last week it seems to have problems to stay at 10ct and is 9ct the average (check CMC). I agree, it looks stable, but there is still a small downtrend (even in Euros).

Rijk needs to start impressing the crypto community , leaving us out is not good for the price. It's obvious the "mainstream" is not enough.

They are all afraid to get banned.

That's a bad thing? I would call that liberation!

[Sugaman]

And after the BTC fork, there will be new excuses why people are not interested in NLG, or why NLG won't go to the moon.

What do you think the problem is for this coin to have such low value?

[BioMike]

And after the BTC fork, there will be new excuses why people are not interested in NLG, or why NLG won't go to the moon.

What do you think the problem is for this coin to have such low value?

You seriously have to ask? Read back the thread... I think that pretty sums up why.

[Marstrand]

You see, it's in their blood, they also tried to rip off the Dutch voters last year by trying to get a fat allowance in the parliament for actually doing.. NOTHING! Yep, that was their plan, fortunately the Dutch voters were smarter than the blind following Gulden zombies, who dumped their hard earned BTC into his un-regulated wallet.

Actually almost no1 here knows this. He and his father created a political party with the logic that people who don't want to vote should vote for them (as a protest vote). It sounded logical addressing xx% of people who don't want to pick a side votes for their party....guess what logic kicked their asses pretty hard and they only got 6K votes nationally.

Why am I telling this? Cause he is doing the exact same approach with this project...Logic
Thinking that by just putting something out there will make it a succes cause people want to have something different than the current bankingsystem/EURO currency PoW2 will not change this, only communication can save this project

[Jean.Luc]

Guldenrate has been rebranded into Moonstats and 100 coins live charts have been added.
http://guldenbites.nl/en/2017/11/06/guldenrate-rebranded-moonstats/

[JwJimJim]

You see, it's in their blood, they also tried to rip off the Dutch voters last year by trying to get a fat allowance in the parliament for actually doing.. NOTHING! Yep, that was their plan, fortunately the Dutch voters were smarter than the blind following Gulden zombies, who dumped their hard earned BTC into his un-regulated wallet.

Actually almost no1 here knows this. He and his father created a political party with the logic that people who don't want to vote should vote for them (as a protest vote). It sounded logical addressing xx% of people who don't want to pick a side votes for their party....guess what logic kicked their asses pretty hard and they only got 6K votes nationally.

Why am I telling this? Cause he is doing the exact same approach with this project...Logic
Thinking that by just putting something out there will make it a succes cause people want to have something different than the current bankingsystem/EURO currency PoW2 will not change this, only communication can save this project

Not true, it's based on development.

Syscoin, GRS don't do any marketing and have a higher value. PoW2 and SegSig will see this coin hit $200-$300 million marketcap with no marketing.

[RichPissman]

And after the BTC fork, there will be new excuses why people are not interested in NLG, or why NLG won't go to the moon.

What do you think the problem is for this coin to have such low value?

Biggest problem is the dev is allergic to marketing and refuses to accept any help on that part. He is also not interested in the price himself since he cashed out 650BTC from his community already.

Whales do their due diligence. They know an investment in Gulden is high risk because the dev doesn't give shit about their interests.

[RichPissman]

You see, it's in their blood, they also tried to rip off the Dutch voters last year by trying to get a fat allowance in the parliament for actually doing.. NOTHING! Yep, that was their plan, fortunately the Dutch voters were smarter than the blind following Gulden zombies, who dumped their hard earned BTC into his un-regulated wallet.

Actually almost no1 here knows this. He and his father created a political party with the logic that people who don't want to vote should vote for them (as a protest vote). It sounded logical addressing xx% of people who don't want to pick a side votes for their party....guess what logic kicked their asses pretty hard and they only got 6K votes nationally.

Why am I telling this? Cause he is doing the exact same approach with this project...Logic
Thinking that by just putting something out there will make it a succes cause people want to have something different than the current bankingsystem/EURO currency PoW2 will not change this, only communication can save this project

Not true, it's based on development.

Syscoin, GRS don't do any marketing and have a higher value. PoW2 and SegSig will see this coin hit $200-$300 million marketcap with no marketing.

Syscoin and Groestlcoin both have a very dedicated community with open minded dev's. Everyone is welcome there and dev's are happy to embrace any input the community gives them.

Gulden had build a community of over 5000 and Rijk just killed that again with a lie about having to open a new heavily moderated and controlled slack by Slack. Now that community is down to fanboys only and no communication is possible for the world outside that closed inner circle... AGAIN!

Sweet dreams Gulden sheep 

[Jean.Luc]

Earn Gulden on your Witness account with a pre-installed Raspberry Pi as soon as Pow2 is live.
http://guldenbites.nl/en/2017/11/06/quick-update-on-the-witness-pi-pre-orders/

[Salz01]

I find this topic quite expository,so many politics in the altcoin affecting it's Market value,it is definitely a basis for further research for me,kudos to all the contributors

[deztroyr1]

And after the BTC fork, there will be new excuses why people are not interested in NLG, or why NLG won't go to the moon.

What do you think the problem is for this coin to have such low value?

Biggest problem is the dev is allergic to marketing and refuses to accept any help on that part. He is also not interested in the price himself since he cashed out 650BTC from his community already.

Whales do their due diligence. They know an investment in Gulden is high risk because the dev doesn't give shit about their interests.

I think they want to deliver a proper product that can be used by any mainstream people as an alternative to regular banking systems. Without pow2 and segsig, this is simply not possible.
Regular people who have not done research about crypto and actually tried to figure out how it works, won't just be touching any vague system that they simply can't understand due to its complexity.
You can't expect mass adoption for a wallet that needs hours to sync...

There are many people who would probably give crypto/gulden a try but the bar has to be low and the product has to be working as well as possible from the beginning. People won't easily come back to try your product if it didn't meet its expectation from the start.

So with that said. Why go into heavy marketing for an unfinished product that is simply not ready for mass adoption (in this case mainly the Netherlands to be begin with)?

If I'm correct, marketing will come when the time is right. By then, things will become a lot more interesting.
The way I currently see it, everyone who owns gulden now is an early adopter.

[RodgerRabbit]

Rijk is laughing his ass off now, no one seems to even bother to check where the funds went. No one dares to even mention the words accountability or transparency in their nazi style run slack anymore! They are all afraid to get banned. Also the sense of loss has made them Gulden junkies that eat Rijks shit if he commands them to.

I really miss the daily phishing attempts on the old slack from anonymous users, anonymous users promoting their scam coins on the back of the Gulden user base. The new slack is much better and safer for new users.

[BioMike]

And after the BTC fork, there will be new excuses why people are not interested in NLG, or why NLG won't go to the moon.

What do you think the problem is for this coin to have such low value?

Biggest problem is the dev is allergic to marketing and refuses to accept any help on that part. He is also not interested in the price himself since he cashed out 650BTC from his community already.

Whales do their due diligence. They know an investment in Gulden is high risk because the dev doesn't give shit about their interests.

I think they want to deliver a proper product that can be used by any mainstream people as an alternative to regular banking systems. Without pow2 and segsig, this is simply not possible.

Sure it is, this is what the devs want you to believe. All you need is tutorials that show how it works. Nothing of pow2 or segsig is any problem for normal users.

Regular people who have not done research about crypto and actually tried to figure out how it works, won't just be touching any vague system that they simply can't understand due to its complexity.

Regular people don't do research on crypto or figure out how it works (I think most of the people in the slack (or forums) hardly knows how it works below the hood). All is open source, so they can investigate it if they want. NLG is based on LTC/BTC (changes are minimal), yet that has nobody stopped from using BTC/LTC. If you're reflecting on the complexity of the code, yes that is one pile of steaming sh*t... which originates from BTC and NLG devs are spending more and more time to keep up with. If you get back to basic block chain theory... it's not that difficult and can easily be broken up into digestible chunks. If the complexity is an issue... why are the NLG devs than implementing pow2/segsig? Which is another level of irrelevant complexity.

You can't expect mass adoption for a wallet that needs hours to sync...

We've got light wallets for that. If syncing is an issue, blockchain downloads are available for most coins. Syncing is slow due to two reasons: 1 is inefficient in-wallet download, which can be improved. 2 is the actual validating of the blocks, which require processor power and is the basis of the security of your chain; so if you want to speed that up, get a faster computer or compromise on your security.

There are many people who would probably give crypto/gulden a try but the bar has to be low and the product has to be working as well as possible from the beginning. People won't easily come back to try your product if it didn't meet its expectation from the start.

I think the poor ways of communicating by the devs has scared a lot of more people away than the current usability of NLG. This whole situation with the new slack is a nice example.

So with that said. Why go into heavy marketing for an unfinished product that is simply not ready for mass adoption (in this case mainly the Netherlands to be begin with)?

Because else it will never be finished and ready for mass adoption. NLG will never be a completed product, nor any other coin. It will just be a tool to keep people bound to the dev team, to make them feel important. If there is a plan it should at least be clear at what point they are satisfied with to starting marketing.

If I'm correct, marketing will come when the time is right. By then, things will become a lot more interesting.
The way I currently see it, everyone who owns gulden now is an early adopter.

I'm already an early NLG adopter since a few years now... and this thing is still in the gutter... at least not where it SHOULD be if the devs hadn't rejected all the help and cooperation they could get in the past few years.

[Glen Hoddle]

Yeah, just imagine if you and your friends had have stuck around instead of going to another coin eh? Gulden could be in the top 300 and we could have posters on windy bus stops.

I don't honestly know what motivates you to keep posting in this thread. You're all over the place. First you were complaining about being dragged into the debate, then Gulden is terrible and you wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, then it's good and they're doing things the right way, then it's terrible again.

For a supposed serious guy involved with his own serious project you do seem to spend a lot of time in here bouncing around all over the show. You're like Bi-Polar bear and the up and down Christmas.