[ANN] ICONOMI - Fund Management Platform

[Daparski]

Why Waves isn't good?
Can Lisk be better than Counterparty?

Mom told me not to talk bad about folks... (Waves)  
CAN Lisk be better than Counterparty? Sure, sometime in the future; but as of RIGHT NOW... Lisk is NOT READY.
I know because I run a dozen Lisk servers, am an alpha tester, and I asked Oliver, Max, and Isabella about it.
Isabella did some testing in behalf of ICN on Devnet. It is possible if a private network is created between Iconomi and exchanges, but some updates would need deployed to the main network, and would need tested on both devnet and testnet first.

or.... Counterparty is stable and ready.

Don't you think that counterparty low trading volume and low supply makes it a no-go? I think low supply is why it is not listed in ICNX

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[DaniellPlasmmer]

So finally there is no account swap possible as replied from Jani.people can ask refund who sent BTC to escrow,must provide tx hash.

Is it secure? Anyone can send any tx to the escrow. Person need PROVE the ownership of the sending address.

That offer has ended.

Move ICONOMI to Lisk, why not?

As much as I would LOVE that, lisk simply isn't ready. We could "make it happen", but it would violate our roadmap. Lisk is meeting with Iconomi actually right now sharing DDoS setups... who knows, could change.

True. Also Iconomi, what if ultimately Ethereum fails. What is the backup scenario?

LSK, NXT, Counterparty...
Counterparty is stable and an excellent option.

WAVES i think would be much better. This time let get this fix for the release is very much awaited by tons of us excited to see ICN on the exchange and what it can offer in the future. We'd like to see it live.

Waves?  No!  If that were to happen I would dump 100% at launch.  Many others would do the same.



We have yet to get an update guys...  the test contract may have deployed without issue; we just need wait for an official update.
ANYTHING ELSE IS PURE SPECULATION or FUD at this point.

Why Waves isn't good?
Can Lisk be better than Counterparty?

We still need to give ether network a chance.
Regarding other platforms - my main concerns are:
1. Iconomi would be the first major project deployment. Not good idea when it comes down to managed funds platform.
2. Liquidity. If you look at the trading volume of all other alternatives, it can be a major problem for high volume weekly transactions.

Bitcoin would be the best option, but it is expensive.
So it looks like we stay with ether for now.

Bitcoin?   I've never hear about Bitcoin as platform for DAPPs/custom asset tokens.

[favdesu]

So there is another attack, does this mean there will be more delays for the launch?

doubt the new attack is has as much impact as the first. hope there will be no further delay

I hope too for no more further delays. Iconomi team should give us an update about this 2nd hf thing if its possible

True. Also Iconomi, what if ultimately Ethereum fails. What is the backup scenario?

they only really need a chain that is capable of paying out dividends. there are a lot

[bitcoinissatan]

https://etherscan.io/address/0x384e762dAd922B22a0d06f4D1229582473D2DEe6#code

https://etherscan.io/contractsVerified

IconomiTokenTest

Symbol : t-ICN

okay, looks pretty good

[Daparski]

So finally there is no account swap possible as replied from Jani.people can ask refund who sent BTC to escrow,must provide tx hash.

Is it secure? Anyone can send any tx to the escrow. Person need PROVE the ownership of the sending address.

That offer has ended.

Move ICONOMI to Lisk, why not?

As much as I would LOVE that, lisk simply isn't ready. We could "make it happen", but it would violate our roadmap. Lisk is meeting with Iconomi actually right now sharing DDoS setups... who knows, could change.

True. Also Iconomi, what if ultimately Ethereum fails. What is the backup scenario?

LSK, NXT, Counterparty...
Counterparty is stable and an excellent option.

WAVES i think would be much better. This time let get this fix for the release is very much awaited by tons of us excited to see ICN on the exchange and what it can offer in the future. We'd like to see it live.

Waves?  No!  If that were to happen I would dump 100% at launch.  Many others would do the same.



We have yet to get an update guys...  the test contract may have deployed without issue; we just need wait for an official update.
ANYTHING ELSE IS PURE SPECULATION or FUD at this point.

Why Waves isn't good?
Can Lisk be better than Counterparty?

We still need to give ether network a chance.
Regarding other platforms - my main concerns are:
1. Iconomi would be the first major project deployment. Not good idea when it comes down to managed funds platform.
2. Liquidity. If you look at the trading volume of all other alternatives, it can be a major problem for high volume weekly transactions.

Bitcoin would be the best option, but it is expensive.
So it looks like we stay with ether for now.

Bitcoin?   I've never hear about Bitcoin as platform for DAPPs/custom asset tokens.

Bitcoin as paying dividends. Not as a platform for asset tokens

[SanFrancisco]

https://etherscan.io/address/0x384e762dAd922B22a0d06f4D1229582473D2DEe6#code

https://etherscan.io/contractsVerified

IconomiTokenTest

Symbol : t-ICN

And now? What to do?

[5thangel]

https://etherscan.io/address/0x384e762dAd922B22a0d06f4D1229582473D2DEe6#code

https://etherscan.io/contractsVerified

IconomiTokenTest

Symbol : t-ICN

And now? What to do?

wait for news

[SanFrancisco]

https://etherscan.io/address/0x384e762dAd922B22a0d06f4D1229582473D2DEe6#code

https://etherscan.io/contractsVerified

IconomiTokenTest

Symbol : t-ICN

And now? What to do?

wait for news

Never used this contract thing on Ethereum. I'm running Mist. There will be a tutorial, I hope, hrhr.

[ccomeon]

Why Waves isn't good?
Can Lisk be better than Counterparty?

Mom told me not to talk bad about folks... (Waves)  
CAN Lisk be better than Counterparty? Sure, sometime in the future; but as of RIGHT NOW... Lisk is NOT READY.
I know because I run a dozen Lisk servers, am an alpha tester, and I asked Oliver, Max, and Isabella about it.
Isabella did some testing in behalf of ICN on Devnet. It is possible if a private network is created between Iconomi and exchanges, but some updates would need deployed to the main network, and would need tested on both devnet and testnet first.

or.... Counterparty is stable and ready.

Don't you think that counterparty low trading volume and low supply makes it a no-go? I think low supply is why it is not listed in ICNX

With Counterparty, dividend can be issued in Bitcoin. ICONOMI just need to create a token using Counterparty protocol, like what it is doing now on Ethereum, using ICN token but giving out dividend in ETH.

[MrPresident]

Just synced mist...  it is still slow beginning with block 2468688 but does eventually sync.

0x384e762dAd922B22a0d06f4D1229582473D2DEe6
There is the test contract address for icn/test watchtoken.
It does not look to be listed as erc20, but it's there.
Transactions are indeed being recorded many hours ago as expected.
I entered the test watch address into Mist along with token's name "ICONOMI [test]"...



it showed up instantly...  



and a balance is showing in wallet...  but the test amount is a tad short
(should be 1.99201)

[gbdesai]

https://etherscan.io/address/0x384e762dAd922B22a0d06f4D1229582473D2DEe6#code

https://etherscan.io/contractsVerified

IconomiTokenTest

Symbol : t-ICN

okay, looks pretty good

Only 7 TXs? What exactly was deployed?

[MrPresident]

https://etherscan.io/address/0x384e762dAd922B22a0d06f4D1229582473D2DEe6#code

https://etherscan.io/contractsVerified

IconomiTokenTest

Symbol : t-ICN

okay, looks pretty good

Only 7 TXs? What exactly was deployed?

actually 7 batches, look at post just above yours.

[OmegaStarScream]

Is it normal that I only see how much peers I'm connected to when I launch Ethereum wallet while there is  nothing about blocks/blockchain ? I'm almost sure that the downloading is finished as last time I checked It was like 2,444,000+ but the GUI can't seem to popup or anything ?   does it have anything to do with the new attack  I hear people speaking about ?
also , when we should see the ICN issued ? the test thing happened or not yet ? each time I go to school and comeback , I see shitload of pages added in this topic so kinda confusinge

[playerbtc]

That offer has ended.

There was nothing such an offer,never.its how they maintain the crowd by offering account swap which was never done with any account.if there is no start,there is no end.so correct your statement. not a single swap is happend since they offered such a trade between the interested seller/buyer.its all about to diversify some part of people from crowling about delays,exchange etc..iconomi has no email changing option in their website and how funny they discovered such a things after a weeks of offering account swap.All funds held by Jani are now refunded.I am not against iconomi but I can't ignore such a things about iconomi how they act.don't get me wrong,I only said what I observed during this swapping plan.there was no offer in real.

[MrPresident]

That offer has ended.

There was nothing such an offer,never.its how they maintain the crowd by offering account swap which was never done with any account.if there is no start,there is no end.so correct your statement. not a single swap is happend since they offered such a trade between the interested seller/buyer.its all about to diversify some part of people from crowling about delays,exchange etc..iconomi has no email changing option in their website and how funny they discovered such a things after a weeks of offering account swap.All funds held by Jani are now refunded.I am not against iconomi but I can't ignore such a things about iconomi how they act.don't get me wrong,I only said which I observed during this swapping plan.there was no offer in real.

Yes, there was.

OKAY GUYS HERE'S the DEAL ON ESCROW IF YOU WANT: (From Jani)

It works like this:
- you find buyer or seller finds buyer. I don't do anything here. Matchmaking is not an option.

Then both mail me to this email with ":  (jani@iconomi.net) "email should be between all of us" Do not contact seperate, no time for matchmaker service. (edited by request.)
- seller's email on ico.iconomi.net (mailing needs to be from that email)
- seller needs to tell amount of ICN on his/her account
- buyer sends btc/eth/lsk address
- which email buyer wants to have for this account (we're swapping full accounts only to emails previously not on ico.iconomi.net - technical reasons)

I confirm that account has that amount. And send my address (btc/eth/lsk). Then:
- buyer sends btc/eth/lsk to my address
- within a day I exchange account, send an email to the buyer to confirm
- after buyer confirmation i send whatever I received
--
Jani Valjavec
Co-founder & CTO

Hello to all.

If someone want to move their ICN tokens to Liqui - contact Iconomi team. We are open for cooperation.

We are not cooperating with anyone in that regard!

Sorry Liqui, but this was just very unprofessional to kind of kidnap our reputation and dump support on me.
I tried to act nice, offer account swapping and escrow in order to stop crybabies flooding this thread, but it turned out to be a bad decision. Only impatient bounty hunters wanted to "sell" their ICNs. However, this is not stopped. Please wait for official launch and sell/buy on exchanges.

But no longer

[MrPresident]

Is it normal that I only see how much peers I'm connected to when I launch Ethereum wallet while there is  nothing about blocks/blockchain ? I'm almost sure that the downloading is finished as last time I checked It was like 2,444,000+ but the GUI can't seem to popup or anything ?   does it have anything to do with the new attack  I hear people speaking about ?
also , when we should see the ICN issued ? the test thing happened or not yet ? each time I go to school and comeback , I see shitload of pages added in this topic so kinda confusinge

yea, that wallet sucks. I use mist because tells more...

[playerbtc]

Mr.president,that was a fake offer for controlling the crowd.no longer means offer is ended but how a fake offer can be ended which was never started?is there any successful swap?not a single one.but look at telegram how many people are asking for refund which they sent about an week ago.

[gbdesai]

https://etherscan.io/address/0x384e762dAd922B22a0d06f4D1229582473D2DEe6#code

https://etherscan.io/contractsVerified

IconomiTokenTest

Symbol : t-ICN

okay, looks pretty good

Only 7 TXs? What exactly was deployed?

actually 7 batches, look at post just above yours.

That worked. Got my test token. Thanks sir!

[forzendiablo]

so when is the launch ?

[aisyah88]

I would like to ask, when it will be done for testing to use the wallet ICN and ICN use genuine coin, but I see ICN wear tokens and not the original coin ICN ??