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July 10, 2017, 03:16:42 PM
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there is no recreational drugs. if you are using any of the mentionated drugs, u gotta look for treatment. You think that u are only getting wasted and actually you are escaping from ur reality and as u climb the "drugs stairs" when u get to the top of it. U gonna be wasted for real. U will only have 3 places to go. Cemetery, clinic or jail. its gonna be up to u . good luck

 Yeah, very wrong hobby, No good will be given to drugs, if you use drugs. You get high and you can do something wrong, all i can say is dont waste time to use drugs because it is not good to us .it does have a bad effect.
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July 10, 2017, 03:35:51 PM
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there is no recreational drugs. if you are using any of the mentionated drugs, u gotta look for treatment. You think that u are only getting wasted and actually you are escaping from ur reality and as u climb the "drugs stairs" when u get to the top of it. U gonna be wasted for real. U will only have 3 places to go. Cemetery, clinic or jail. its gonna be up to u . good luck

 Yeah, very wrong hobby, No good will be given to drugs, if you use drugs. You get high and you can do something wrong, all i can say is dont waste time to use drugs because it is not good to us .it does have a bad effect.

Certainly but there are drugs that used for its healing property or medicinal value and that is cannabis oil which can be extracted to the marijuana. Other than that, I cannot think of any other drugs that has medicinal value.  Sad to think that there are these drugs that can be abused by people to think that they have problems and can only be resolved by drugs.  Drug addiction cannot do anything good both mentally and physically.
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July 10, 2017, 04:12:46 PM
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I think what they're getting at is that cannabis just happens to be this hypothetical person's drug of choice. Were they to choose something else like alcohol, they'd be having the same sort of problem with more severe consequences.
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July 10, 2017, 07:08:23 PM
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there is no recreational drugs. if you are using any of the mentionated drugs, u gotta look for treatment. You think that u are only getting wasted and actually you are escaping from ur reality and as u climb the "drugs stairs" when u get to the top of it. U gonna be wasted for real. U will only have 3 places to go. Cemetery, clinic or jail. its gonna be up to u . good luck

 Yeah, very wrong hobby, No good will be given to drugs, if you use drugs. You get high and you can do something wrong, all i can say is dont waste time to use drugs because it is not good to us .it does have a bad effect.

Certainly but there are drugs that used for its healing property or medicinal value and that is cannabis oil which can be extracted to the marijuana. Other than that, I cannot think of any other drugs that has medicinal value.  Sad to think that there are these drugs that can be abused by people to think that they have problems and can only be resolved by drugs.  Drug addiction cannot do anything good both mentally and physically.

There are several naturally occurring plant medicines that have huge medicinal value, cannabis being one of them.  Since drug policy is pretty much dictated by the pharmaceutical industry, natural plant medicines from which they cannot profit, and which actually solve problems, will be lobbied to be kept illegal.  Cannabis has countless medicinal properties.  Psychedelics such as psilocybin, peyote/huachuma, ayahuasca/DMT, or iboga, have powerful medicinal properties.  Ayahuasca and iboga have 80% + success rate for people with addiction to substances like alcohol or heroin.  Compare that to AA, which has a 5% success rate.  MDMA had been used very successfully clinically for people with PTSD, allowing them to successfully revisit traumatic experiences and reconcile their issues that have been tucked away and negatively impacting them and those around them.  Then MDMA became illegal and you go back to taking a pill everyday for the rest of your life, and never solving the issue, just trying to mask the symptoms, from big pharma.  None of these substances I mentioned are physically addictive.

Regardless of the medicinal value, you should not have to go to prison for putting any substance in your body.  If you cause harm, then be penalized for the harm you cause (with or without substances).
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July 10, 2017, 08:23:36 PM
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We need to draw a fine line between a recreational drug and illegal drug. I think some drugs should be considered the former over the latter. EG Cannabis isn't really something we should be arresting people for when at the same time doctors across the country are writing scripts for opioids like it's no body's business.
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July 10, 2017, 08:24:01 PM
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there is no recreational drugs. if you are using any of the mentionated drugs, u gotta look for treatment. You think that u are only getting wasted and actually you are escaping from ur reality and as u climb the "drugs stairs" when u get to the top of it. U gonna be wasted for real. U will only have 3 places to go. Cemetery, clinic or jail. its gonna be up to u . good luck

 Yeah, very wrong hobby, No good will be given to drugs, if you use drugs. You get high and you can do something wrong, all i can say is dont waste time to use drugs because it is not good to us .it does have a bad effect.

Certainly but there are drugs that used for its healing property or medicinal value and that is cannabis oil which can be extracted to the marijuana. Other than that, I cannot think of any other drugs that has medicinal value.  Sad to think that there are these drugs that can be abused by people to think that they have problems and can only be resolved by drugs.  Drug addiction cannot do anything good both mentally and physically.

There are several naturally occurring plant medicines that have huge medicinal value, cannabis being one of them.  Since drug policy is pretty much dictated by the pharmaceutical industry, natural plant medicines from which they cannot profit, and which actually solve problems, will be lobbied to be kept illegal.  Cannabis has countless medicinal properties.  Psychedelics such as psilocybin, peyote/huachuma, ayahuasca/DMT, or iboga, have powerful medicinal properties.  Ayahuasca and iboga have 80% + success rate for people with addiction to substances like alcohol or heroin.  Compare that to AA, which has a 5% success rate.  MDMA had been used very successfully clinically for people with PTSD, allowing them to successfully revisit traumatic experiences and reconcile their issues that have been tucked away and negatively impacting them and those around them.  Then MDMA became illegal and you go back to taking a pill everyday for the rest of your life, and never solving the issue, just trying to mask the symptoms, from big pharma.  None of these substances I mentioned are physically addictive.

Regardless of the medicinal value, you should not have to go to prison for putting any substance in your body.  If you cause harm, then be penalized for the harm you cause (with or without substances).

While I agree with a lot of your post, there is one big error.

Cannabis is scientifically proven to be both mentally and physically addictive. It is far more mentally/psychologically addictive then physically, but the truth is it really is addictive.

If you do not believe me, simply Google "drug addiction chart" to find a plot graph illustrating how addictive a given drug is compared to others. You will see that Marijuana actually ranks quite high in terms of psychological addiction.

Furthermore, I have experienced this with multiple people in my lifetime. These individuals truly wanted to quit marijuana, however they were unable to last even a single day before they went out to smoke that night.
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July 10, 2017, 09:21:03 PM
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there is no recreational drugs. if you are using any of the mentionated drugs, u gotta look for treatment. You think that u are only getting wasted and actually you are escaping from ur reality and as u climb the "drugs stairs" when u get to the top of it. U gonna be wasted for real. U will only have 3 places to go. Cemetery, clinic or jail. its gonna be up to u . good luck

 Yeah, very wrong hobby, No good will be given to drugs, if you use drugs. You get high and you can do something wrong, all i can say is dont waste time to use drugs because it is not good to us .it does have a bad effect.

Certainly but there are drugs that used for its healing property or medicinal value and that is cannabis oil which can be extracted to the marijuana. Other than that, I cannot think of any other drugs that has medicinal value.  Sad to think that there are these drugs that can be abused by people to think that they have problems and can only be resolved by drugs.  Drug addiction cannot do anything good both mentally and physically.

There are several naturally occurring plant medicines that have huge medicinal value, cannabis being one of them.  Since drug policy is pretty much dictated by the pharmaceutical industry, natural plant medicines from which they cannot profit, and which actually solve problems, will be lobbied to be kept illegal.  Cannabis has countless medicinal properties.  Psychedelics such as psilocybin, peyote/huachuma, ayahuasca/DMT, or iboga, have powerful medicinal properties.  Ayahuasca and iboga have 80% + success rate for people with addiction to substances like alcohol or heroin.  Compare that to AA, which has a 5% success rate.  MDMA had been used very successfully clinically for people with PTSD, allowing them to successfully revisit traumatic experiences and reconcile their issues that have been tucked away and negatively impacting them and those around them.  Then MDMA became illegal and you go back to taking a pill everyday for the rest of your life, and never solving the issue, just trying to mask the symptoms, from big pharma.  None of these substances I mentioned are physically addictive.

Regardless of the medicinal value, you should not have to go to prison for putting any substance in your body.  If you cause harm, then be penalized for the harm you cause (with or without substances).

While I agree with a lot of your post, there is one big error.

Cannabis is scientifically proven to be both mentally and physically addictive. It is far more mentally/psychologically addictive then physically, but the truth is it really is addictive.

If you do not believe me, simply Google "drug addiction chart" to find a plot graph illustrating how addictive a given drug is compared to others. You will see that Marijuana actually ranks quite high in terms of psychological addiction.

Furthermore, I have experienced this with multiple people in my lifetime. These individuals truly wanted to quit marijuana, however they were unable to last even a single day before they went out to smoke that night.

You do have a valid point, with respect to addiction, and it depends how we define addiction.  Enjoying something and wanting to try it again is not something I consider addictive.  For substances, I define addiction as something that gives you withdrawal symptoms or health risk with cutting it out altogether.  There aren't any of those withdrawal symptoms or risk to health with the substances I've listed above.

Psychological addiction is something idiosyncratic to the user, rather than the substance, in my opinion.  For example, if a hardcore alcoholic goes absolutely cold turkey, they risk dying.  If you go cold turkey on an opioid like heroin, you will experience physical withdrawal symptoms that feel similar to that of the flu for a couple days.

Taking that same example of your friends trying to quit cannabis, I could say that I have friends that have tried to quit meat and become vegetarian, yet they went back to eating meat.  So then we can say eating meat is addictive in nature, even though it's not.  Just depends on the way you look at it.  Something that is enjoyable that you want to repeat, vs. something that causes effects of physical withdrawal.
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July 11, 2017, 01:52:43 AM
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10 of the Top Travel Destinations to Get High


Here are some travel spots where the drug culture is as fascinating as Italy's cuisine.


Drugs have always been a part of the human experience, and while governments illegalize substances and punish their users, people all across the world continue to seek out different states of mind. In many regions, drugs, like food, are culturally embedded in local tradition. And like tourists seek out travel destinations known for their great cuisine or music, many travelers are in search of local drug culture. From South America’s shaman-guided psychedelic trips and cocaine bars, to the Golden Triangle’s opioids and growing ecstasy market, countries far and wide have long lured tourists seeking the secrets of locals’ mind-enhancement. For an atypical summer escape, here are 10 travel spots where the drug culture is as fascinating as Italy's cuisine.

1) Amsterdam. If you want to browse through menus of weed before lighting up in a smokey cafe, now is the time to hit up Amsterdam; tourists may soon be banned from some of Holland’s legal weed shops, though a coalition of activists seem to be successfully fighting against the effort. The Dutch government stopped the sale of dry and fresh psychedelic mushrooms a few years back, but you can still trip out on some psilocybin truffles before hitting the Van Gogh museum or cruising the canals.

Weed and truffles aren’t the only “soft drugs” available in Amsterdam. Amsterdan’s “smart shops”—though dwindling to less than a dozen left -- sell a variety of substances to induce all kinds of legal highs. In addition to a variety of hallucinogenic products like herbal teas and peyote cactus, smart shops stock stimulants to provide focus or an excited buzz, relaxants to chill out, “herbal XTC” similar to MDMA, and extracts of Karton—a southeast Asian tree with effects similar to opium. They’ve also got “before-and-after products” to test your supply and then recover from it, be it alcohol, ecstasy or cocaine. For a full list of products to alter your mood or consciousness, browse the famous Magic Mushroom smart shop’s online menu.


Read more at http://www.alternet.org/drugs/10-top-travel-destinations-get-high.


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July 11, 2017, 02:03:39 AM
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We need to draw a fine line between a recreational drug and illegal drug. I think some drugs should be considered the former over the latter. EG Cannabis isn't really something we should be arresting people for when at the same time doctors across the country are writing scripts for opioids like it's no body's business.

Have to agree with you there. Marijuana is a relatively harmless drug although there is a lot of negative propaganda against it, which should be legal just like alcohol and tobacco. If harmful drugs such as Oxycodone can be legal, then why not weed?

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July 11, 2017, 02:57:46 AM
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As you can see in the subject, what is your opinion on a recreational use of drugs? So far I've noticed that guys that do drugs like mdma, ecstasy, cocaine, weed(if you consider it a drug, I don't tho) are lowlifes that are in the setting of "Let's get wasted, party and then do some more drugs" and nothing else but they always look at themselves as something higher than the others.

What is your opinion on that and is it the same at your place?

Also...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7rXlbHtcqM

Using drugs from the very start is not really good to everybody. As we all know it can destroy your personal behavior, physical body, and mentality. So it is better not to try to use it and don't ever try to make it a habit.
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July 11, 2017, 04:12:19 AM
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We need to draw a fine line between a recreational drug and illegal drug. I think some drugs should be considered the former over the latter. EG Cannabis isn't really something we should be arresting people for when at the same time doctors across the country are writing scripts for opioids like it's no body's business.

Have to agree with you there. Marijuana is a relatively harmless drug although there is a lot of negative propaganda against it, which should be legal just like alcohol and tobacco. If harmful drugs such as Oxycodone can be legal, then why not weed?

Legality of substances has never had anything to do with the harm associated with it.  The negative propaganda has been coming from special interest groups that stand to lose something if cannabis was used freely.  This includes the pharmaceutical, alcohol and tobacco industries which are in direct competition with either the medicinal side, or the recreational side.  But the original propaganda was actually against the hemp industry and cannabis just got looped into that deal.  This came from the paper, cotton and petroleum/plastic industries, all of which can be replaced completely with hemp.  To this day growing hemp (to be clear this is not psychoactive) is illegal in America.

The problem is that these industries succeeded in fear mongering the general population into stripping away their own freedom, in order to lift the profitability of these special interests.  This is clearly evident by the opinions on this thread.

Even if cannabis WAS harmful, it should still remain legal, and we as people should educate ourselves on what we do and do not put into our own bodies.  You can walk into any drug store and buy a container of advil, swallow all the pills and die.  No one is preventing this from happening aside from the user being responsible for him/herself.  The government doesn't give a shit about our health although they put on a front that they do, which is why cannabis is illegal.
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In my opinion drug use is not good for health, because it can cause various diseases and also can cause death  Sad

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In my opinion drug use is not good for health, because it can cause various diseases and also can cause death  Sad


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Well if you use those prohibited drugs (at least for our country) for medical purpose I think there should not be any problem at all about that, however if you use those drugs just for mere pleasure and enjoyment then that's was the time when the problem occur , not only you will be affected but the people surrounding you as well because the more you use it all the more you will be dependent on it  , so as early as today if aside from medical purpose please dont use any of those drugs.
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Well if you use those prohibited drugs (at least for our country) for medical purpose I think there should not be any problem at all about that, however if you use those drugs just for mere pleasure and enjoyment then that's was the time when the problem occur , not only you will be affected but the people surrounding you as well because the more you use it all the more you will be dependent on it  , so as early as today if aside from medical purpose please dont use any of those drugs.

Tell me what the negative affects are for me and those around me if I take psilocybin mushrooms, other than going to jail of course?  This is illegal.

Now tell me the negative effects of being prescribed oxycontin by my doctor, and starting to take it.  This is legal.
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As you can see in the subject, what is your opinion on a recreational use of drugs? So far I've noticed that guys that do drugs like mdma, ecstasy, cocaine, weed(if you consider it a drug, I don't tho) are lowlifes that are in the setting of "Let's get wasted, party and then do some more drugs" and nothing else but they always look at themselves as something higher than the others.

What is your opinion on that and is it the same at your place?

Also...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7rXlbHtcqM
It would be wise if we do not consume drugs, any kind of drugs more negative impact than positive.
Drugs is something illegal in my place, and the law is very strict for my country's people.
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July 11, 2017, 08:04:45 AM
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I don't know anyone who has managed to stay a recreational drug user, how you have called it. Drugs causes addition and sooner or later you will not be able to stop that habbit anymore and that leads to all kind of problems, so stay out of it. On drugs you will spend a fortune and get nothing but troubles.

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Drugs are drugs and you do not need to invent some kind of medicinal properties for marketing purposes. It turns out self-deception and destruction of the body.

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Well if you use those prohibited drugs (at least for our country) for medical purpose I think there should not be any problem at all about that, however if you use those drugs just for mere pleasure and enjoyment then that's was the time when the problem occur , not only you will be affected but the people surrounding you as well because the more you use it all the more you will be dependent on it  , so as early as today if aside from medical purpose please dont use any of those drugs.

Tell me what the negative affects are for me and those around me if I take psilocybin mushrooms, other than going to jail of course?  This is illegal.

Now tell me the negative effects of being prescribed oxycontin by my doctor, and starting to take it.  This is legal.

If taking these drugs can lead to addiction, then it is dangerous for you. The government cares about that its citizens were healthy both physically and mentally. Therefore, such drugs are prohibited.
I'm against having them in a shared access. After all, they can buy children with fragile psyche

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Well if you use those prohibited drugs (at least for our country) for medical purpose I think there should not be any problem at all about that, however if you use those drugs just for mere pleasure and enjoyment then that's was the time when the problem occur , not only you will be affected but the people surrounding you as well because the more you use it all the more you will be dependent on it  , so as early as today if aside from medical purpose please dont use any of those drugs.

Tell me what the negative affects are for me and those around me if I take psilocybin mushrooms, other than going to jail of course?  This is illegal.

Now tell me the negative effects of being prescribed oxycontin by my doctor, and starting to take it.  This is legal.

If taking these drugs can lead to addiction, then it is dangerous for you. The government cares about that its citizens were healthy both physically and mentally. Therefore, such drugs are prohibited.
I'm against having them in a shared access. After all, they can buy children with fragile psyche

I agree with you.  The government cares with its people, futher they do this to atleast lessen crimes that often times caused by drug addiction.  They knew exactly what wil happen if these drugs were abused by its people.  That is perhaps there were drugs that needs prescription because of the addictive substance it have as well as causing side effects.  Studies were made to prohibit drugs reasonably.
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