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So then he is "family" to the fiduciary?
Depends on your definition of family, I consider all the mods etc to be family. I think its also hilarious people expecting civilised responses given the responses we received in posting here. Bit hypocritical "Be nice to us, you [Insert every swear word and insult we've been called so far]" Hilarious hey prick.. at best your family are incompetent at worst your family are scammers and of course your family are hypocrites for building cryptopia fortune on shitcoins, and BenTheAnonMod never visited shitcoin area and shit ICO area here. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I'll leave this here because it sums things up pretty well ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FbO5J27a.png&t=665&c=JjejAu92pyecSg) I like his nickname for FUDtalk better to be honest lurked occasionally in the past for anything regarding Cryptopia and posted maybe once on another account
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And can anyone explain why police seal access to a building for a FULL MONTH in a robbery case.
While the NZ Police can state that they have handed our building back to us and that they are placing no constraints on the company resuming trading, there are a number of things that the company must consider first before any trading could recommence.
It is important to consider the timeline of this event: Firstly, the crime/hack/breach was identified on the evening of 14 January 2019. The company staff that identified the event immediately froze the exchange and locked down the platform; they then notified the NZ government authorities, first the NZ Police High Tech Crime Group and second, the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC, a division of the Govt Communications Security Bureau or GCSB), third, the NZ Financial Management Authority.
Members of the NCSC flew from Wellington first thing the next morning at were in the Cryptopia office conducting interviews and gathering evidence by 08:30am NZST. The NZ Police High Tech Crimes Group, also from Wellington were in the Cryptopia office from noon on the same day and issued search and seizure warrants effectively taking control of the building and all of the systems.
In cooperation with NZ Police and NCSC they identified key specialist staff who were tasked with working with the investigators to clone systems to preserve forensic evidence for investigation.
This took 3.5 weeks to complete and our specialist staff have now turned to carrying the work that is necessary to ensure that assets are retained in a secure environment.
While the Police statement that they are no longer constraining our return to operations and trading, it would be extremely reckless for us to do this until we can fully identify the losses and ensure that the balance is absolutely secure. NZ legislation makes it a serious crime for a company or a director of a company to allow that company to trade recklessly thereby placing creditors assets and property at further risk. That work is now underway. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhdK9ylb.png&t=665&c=kiL8Q_tPSev9Rw) Source: Cryptopia discordhttp://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2012/0024/latest/DLM2136633.htmlIssuing officer may issue search warrant An issuing officer may issue a search warrant, in relation to a place, vehicle, or other thing, on application by a constable if the issuing officer is satisfied that there are reasonable grounds— (a) to suspect that an offence specified in the application and punishable by imprisonment has been committed, or is being committed, or will be committed; and (b) to believe that the search will find evidential material in respect of the offence in or on the place, vehicle, or other thing specified in the application. Duty of persons with knowledge of computer system or other data storage devices or Internet site to assist access (1) A person exercising a search power in respect of any data held in a computer system or other data storage device may require a specified person to provide access information and other information or assistance that is reasonable and necessary to allow the person exercising the search power to access that data. (2) A specified person may not be required under subsection (1) to give any information tending to incriminate the person. (3) Subsection (2) does not prevent a person exercising a search power from requiring a specified person to provide information or providing assistance that is reasonable and necessary to allow the person exercising the search power to access data held in, or accessible from, a computer system or other data storage device that contains or may contain information tending to incriminate the specified person. (4) Subsections (2) and (3) are subject to subpart 5 of this Part (which relates to privilege and confidentiality). (5) In this section,— specified person means— (a) a user of a computer system or other data storage device or an Internet site who has relevant knowledge of that system, device, or site; or (b) a person who provides an Internet service or maintains an Internet site and who holds access information user, in relation to a computer system or other data storage device or an Internet site, means a person who— (a) owns, leases, possesses, or controls the system, device, or site; or (b) is entitled, by reason of an account or other arrangement, to access data on an Internet site; or (c) is an employee of a person described in paragraph (a) or (b).
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I can only say that everything is clear with this manager putting official announcement ON DISCORD with a lot of explaining
Let's make a group law sue
Nothing is clear, especially what will the court decide. Compare the court decisions in MtGox (Japan), and Cryptsy (Belize, USA) as the most characteristic and different cases. At MtGox case the court decided very good, clients will get the most of the found, recovered Bitcoins, and in Cryptsy case the court decided to sell very big majority of the coins (smaller altcoins) to the only 3 persons for few thousands USD only to each of that buyers, as I have read. Is that risk acceptable to you? How much percent of your invested money do you plan to get in the case similar to the second one? Did you calculate that? I did not understand very well the "second method" but I at least want not to lose the not-steal coins (BTC) the problem of months of delays, I've seen it happen with bitgrail, is that in the meanwhile users will lose patience and will organize, file lawsuits, and we'll se no money anymore. I prefer getting a % NOW instead of waiting for a % in years. crypto could not exist anymore in 5 years (or, yes be a fortune) but in the case btc will worth, let's say 100k$, you usually get today's value. It's a lose-lose solution.
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This was posted on 01/20/2019 "The co-founders, shareholders, executive and the entire Cryptopia Team appreciate the support that is being demonstrated here.
We cannot even consider re-opening the exchange while the investigation is in progress.
To even consider doing so would be totally irresponsible of us as it could likely make the way clear for further attacks and even more damage.
Please have patience and faith. We will continue to update everyone as and when we can. Take no notice of the armchair experts." Digger is the Managing Director of Cryptopia and posted on 01/27/2019 "For those who are querying the NZ Police e-mails referred to, they are legitimate and are copied to me by NZ Police. We will respond when we have substantive facts to report when the investigators give us approval. Until then we are tied as the authorities do not want us to make any statements that might by accident exacerbate the situation and cause more damage." - https://i.imgur.com/9ziEVfz.pngSo you say there is no communication, simply because you refuse to join the Cryptopia discord where all this was posted... Kinda your fault really Of course Digger is the Managing Director, he fits all the criteria: 1) Uses a nickname to post official updates 2) Digger sounds very masculine and believable 3) Doesn't update news often because he is busy with stuffs you know. Like managing director stuffs.
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Why are official updates being posted on a third party chat website, yet https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/ - the primary place you would expect official information to be located - remains unchanged?
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February 25, 2019, 01:42:23 PM Last edit: February 25, 2019, 02:18:53 PM by FactCexx |
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Cryptopia is a Limited liability company. (LLC) It has no "owners". It has shareholders and a director. The shareholders don't run the company or have any say in the management of the company. If you buy shares in Microsoft can you speak on their behalf ? Actually a LLC is a type of company designed to bring to partnerships the advantages of corporations. But usually in LLCs the founders are very much involved, like in a partnership. But even considering this stupid example Bill Gates, one of the founders, ran the company for like 20 years. So are we to believe the guys who "put all their life savings" into this exchange don't know nothing and are not calling the shots? That's laughable. It's the reason the police was involved, to protect the guys calling the shots from liability. Of course at the expense of the traders. CZ from Binance is very much involved in day-to-day and very active in social media. Binance is huge compared to Cryptopia. Busoni from Poloniex vas very much involved in day-to-day until he sold the exchange. And Poloniex is pretty big compared to Cryptopia. Arthur Hayes from Bitmex is very much involved and active in SM. And Bitmex is in a league of it's own. Laughable, I say. What is the official contact email for the company? You know, the email where authorities contact a company or where third parties direct their official notices, like "we'll sue your asses if you don't fork over our coins that you hold"? Well, this page says it's hex@cryptopia.co.nz. Now, who's nickname from Cryptopia was something with hex? I bet it's not Digger. Meanwhile, the "anon" mod is family. Is that you hex trolling your investors? https://i.imgur.com/SieZqaJ.pngI know Rob is Hexx {1}, but am unsure if Adam is Saddam or ?? - anyone? So I suppose this A fellow signing the tweet where he promised they'll resume soon is Adam? Promised while he knew there was a breach? Latest discord update from Cryptopia Managing Director While the NZ Police can state that they have handed our building back to us and that they are placing no constraints on the company resuming trading, there are a number of things that the company must consider first before any trading could recommence.
It is important to consider the timeline of this event: Firstly, the crime/hack/breach was identified on the evening of 14 January 2019. The company staff that identified the event immediately froze the exchange and locked down the platform; they then notified the NZ government authorities, first the NZ Police High Tech Crime Group and second, the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC, a division of the Govt Communications Security Bureau or GCSB), third, the NZ Financial Management Authority. So you see, the police was called by some staff that identified the event. Not by the exchange bosses. The bosses are not involved at all. Cos that's how a business operates, low level employees don't go to the people in charge to ask "hey, boss, we fucked up monumentally, what do we do??" No, at this company is the regular staff who are calling in the high tech crimes unit and the financial authority. A. kept responding on twitter they'll reopen trading soon, but unfortunately some intern tasked with maintaining the network cables and the mouse pads called the police.
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Cryptopia is a Limited liability company. (LLC) It has no "owners". It has shareholders and a director. The shareholders don't run the company or have any say in the management of the company. If you buy shares in Microsoft can you speak on their behalf ? Actually a LLC is a type of company designed to bring to partnerships the advantages of corporations. But usually in LLCs the founders are very much involved, like in a partnership. But even considering this stupid example Bill Gates, one of the founders, ran the company for like 20 years. So are we to believe the guys who "put all their life savings" into this exchange don't know nothing and are not calling the shots? That's laughable. It's the reason the police was involved, to protect the guys calling the shots from liability. Of course at the expense of the traders. CZ from Binance is very much involved in day-to-day and very active in social media. Binance is huge compared to Cryptopia. Busoni from Poloniex vas very much involved in day-to-day until he sold the exchange. And Poloniex is pretty big compared to Cryptopia. Arthur Hayes from Bitmex is very much involved and active in SM. And Bitmex is in a league of it's own. Laughable, I say. What is the official contact email for the company? You know, the email where authorities contact a company or where third parties direct their official notices, like "we'll sue your asses if you don't fork over our coins that you hold"? Well, this page says it's hex@cryptopia.co.nz. Now, who's nickname from Cryptopia was something with hex? I bet it's not Digger. Meanwhile, the "anon" mod is family. Is that you hex trolling your investors? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSieZqaJ.png&t=665&c=onEVOnRjBfcSMw) I know Rob is Hexx {1}, but am unsure if Adam is Saddam or ?? - anyone? So I suppose this A fellow signing the tweet where he promised they'll resume soon is Adam? Promised while he knew there was a breach? Latest discord update from Cryptopia Managing Director While the NZ Police can state that they have handed our building back to us and that they are placing no constraints on the company resuming trading, there are a number of things that the company must consider first before any trading could recommence.
It is important to consider the timeline of this event: Firstly, the crime/hack/breach was identified on the evening of 14 January 2019. The company staff that identified the event immediately froze the exchange and locked down the platform; they then notified the NZ government authorities, first the NZ Police High Tech Crime Group and second, the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC, a division of the Govt Communications Security Bureau or GCSB), third, the NZ Financial Management Authority. So you see, the police was called by some staff that identified the event. Not by the exchange bosses. The bosses are not involved at all. Cos that's how a business operates, low level employees don't go to the people in charge to ask "hey, boss, we fucked up monumentally, what do we do??" No, at this company is the regular staff who are calling in the high tech crimes unit and the financial authority. A. kept responding on twitter they'll reopen trading soon, but unfortunately some intern tasked with maintaining the network cables and the mouse pads called the police. You push a narrative that the Cryptopia management is not involved whereas the Police specifically stated in their update here http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/police-continue-make-progress-cryptocurrency-investigation"Excellent progress is being made in the investigation and we are working with Cryptopia management plus current and former employees who have been providing valuable assistance." As well as the previous update from the Police before that here https://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/update-investigation-involving-cryptocurrency-company"We would also like to make clear that Cryptopia are cooperating fully with the investigation team and a media report that police ‘stormed’ the building today is entirely incorrect." You aren't even remotely subtle in pushing your version of the events to suit your agenda. Disgusting
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Why are official updates being posted on a third party chat website, yet https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/ - the primary place you would expect official information to be located - remains unchanged? They bothered to post "updates" in their small discord group but don't even update their official twitter https://twitter.com/Cryptopia_NZ which has 243k followers. What a joke. I guess the update wasn't official enough to be on their site nor their twitter.
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You push a narrative that the Cryptopia management is not involved whereas the Police specifically stated in their update here No, my friend. It's the agenda you are pushing: your coleague here said what he said and the statement on Discord said what it said. Carefully avoiding to implicate anyone who might get asked to compensate the investors. You aren't even remotely subtle in pushing your version of the events to suit your agenda. Disgusting No, I do not intend to be subtle. I'm actually blunt: we want our funds back. It was your responsibility to safeguard them and you have failed. You must pay what you owe us. Don't think hiding behind the police might allow you to get away with not paying. Is that disgusting? Well, you must descend from the clouds and get reaquinted with the harsh world of you owing us money.
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You push a narrative that the Cryptopia management is not involved whereas the Police specifically stated in their update here No, my friend. It's the agenda you are pushing: your coleague here said what he said and the statement on Discord said what it said. Carefully avoiding to implicate anyone who might get asked to compensate the investors. You aren't even remotely subtle in pushing your version of the events to suit your agenda. Disgusting No, I do not intend to be subtle. I'm actually blunt: we want our funds back. It was your responsibility to safeguard them and you have failed. You must pay what you owe us. Don't think hiding behind the police might allow you to get away with not paying. Is that disgusting? Well, you must descend from the clouds and get reaquinted with the harsh world of you owing us money. Confirmed FUD, wouldn't be surprised if there is an active campaign to discredit Cryptopia in here. Ignored.
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You push a narrative that the Cryptopia management is not involved whereas the Police specifically stated in their update here No, my friend. It's the agenda you are pushing: your coleague here said what he said and the statement on Discord said what it said. Carefully avoiding to implicate anyone who might get asked to compensate the investors. You aren't even remotely subtle in pushing your version of the events to suit your agenda. Disgusting No, I do not intend to be subtle. I'm actually blunt: we want our funds back. It was your responsibility to safeguard them and you have failed. You must pay what you owe us. Don't think hiding behind the police might allow you to get away with not paying. Is that disgusting? Well, you must descend from the clouds and get reaquinted with the harsh world of you owing us money. Confirmed FUD, wouldn't be surprised if there is an active campaign to discredit Cryptopia in here. Ignored. You guys bury yourselves, no need do a crusade. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Topia fwords itself, not us.
Wanna sue me becase I say topia is a shitty company? Such a weak company that tries to save brand value with paid puppets. I am so scared.
How much topia pays to you?
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And can anyone explain why police seal access to a building for a FULL MONTH in a robbery case.
While the NZ Police can state that they have handed our building back to us and that they are placing no constraints on the company resuming trading, there are a number of things that the company must consider first before any trading could recommence.
It is important to consider the timeline of this event: Firstly, the crime/hack/breach was identified on the evening of 14 January 2019. The company staff that identified the event immediately froze the exchange and locked down the platform; they then notified the NZ government authorities, first the NZ Police High Tech Crime Group and second, the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC, a division of the Govt Communications Security Bureau or GCSB), third, the NZ Financial Management Authority.
Members of the NCSC flew from Wellington first thing the next morning at were in the Cryptopia office conducting interviews and gathering evidence by 08:30am NZST. The NZ Police High Tech Crimes Group, also from Wellington were in the Cryptopia office from noon on the same day and issued search and seizure warrants effectively taking control of the building and all of the systems.
In cooperation with NZ Police and NCSC they identified key specialist staff who were tasked with working with the investigators to clone systems to preserve forensic evidence for investigation.
This took 3.5 weeks to complete and our specialist staff have now turned to carrying the work that is necessary to ensure that assets are retained in a secure environment.
While the Police statement that they are no longer constraining our return to operations and trading, it would be extremely reckless for us to do this until we can fully identify the losses and ensure that the balance is absolutely secure. NZ legislation makes it a serious crime for a company or a director of a company to allow that company to trade recklessly thereby placing creditors assets and property at further risk. That work is now underway. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhdK9ylb.png&t=665&c=kiL8Q_tPSev9Rw) Source: Cryptopia discordHow can we access cryptopia discord? And how can be sure that there is really in fact cryptopia discord (not any others impersonating the cryptopia discord )?? And how can be sure cryptopia has control over this discord :|
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Calling the authorities probably means a lot of coins are gone. If they had only lost a little, they wouldn't have done that. They might even have hidden the breach and run as a ponzi until what was stolen was gained back, hoping there would be no bank run in the meantime.
Now, my guess would be that only a few coins were affected, the big ones, BTC, ETH, those are probably mostly gone, while many altcoins are probably unaffected.
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They are are using the police and New Zealand laws to stall for time. The more they stall the better chance they have of stealing everyone's funds. This is a pure exit scam and the police need to force them to open and start arresting Cryptopia employees.
Someone mentioned the Japanese exchange Coincheck that got hacked. There are major differences between the two hacks.
1) Coincheck lost 520 million usd
Cryptopia lost 16 million usd
2) Coincheck issued a statement two days later telling customers that they would be refunding them
Cryptopia has never issued a statement telling customers that they will refund them
3) A little over a month after the hack Coincheck pays back its customers
Well over a month after the hack Cryptopia has never paid back one cent to its customers
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Why are official updates being posted on a third party chat website, yet https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/ - the primary place you would expect official information to be located - remains unchanged? this. All official and any official comments need be published on the front office page. Even if it is just links to a 3rd party (but public not registered viewable) blog. Twitter is not public, any reply comments require login/registered to even SEE. Discord is your fantasy communication channel. This thread is the actual, only, real insight on a public feed. TALK requires not login to read.
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February 25, 2019, 05:07:30 PM Last edit: February 25, 2019, 05:22:34 PM by four3200 |
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Calling the authorities probably means a lot of coins are gone. If they had only lost a little, they wouldn't have done that. They might even have hidden the breach and run as a ponzi until what was stolen was gained back, hoping there would be no bank run in the meantime.
Now, my guess would be that only a few coins were affected, the big ones, BTC, ETH, those are probably mostly gone, while many altcoins are probably unaffected.
the evidence of 1) locked liquid and functional on other exchanges coins 2) mass "double spend" delisting issue suggest ALREADY run as a ponzi biz plan; "unscheduled maintenance" is the 3rd act. Act 4 is >> a. run live the life off the muppets loot b. issue bitfinex refund tokins (re-gain credibility around 2023) c. find tall building and JUMP, let the court settle justice (around 2023) d. serve time, let the court settle justice (around 2023) answer b requires "finding" all the coins but the already public ETH haul are discovered safe. and the hope and pray "the 5 eyes" never issues charges on what they discovered
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You are mad because you can NOT control here?
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