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Hi dev, any planning to make some team in different country? Maybe it would be batter to make some community in different world. Just some suggest to make this ICO will be rise much more.

only go further for better advancements and for some better scenario is not enough but work work and only work...
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Hi dev, any planning to make some team in different country? Maybe it would be batter to make some community in different world. Just some suggest to make this ICO will be rise much more.

only go further for better advancements and for some better scenario is not enough but work work and only work...


Team Qtum is convening to pen a reply to your thought provocative post.  Roll Eyes FWIW, they'll reply quicker to your post then to all others requesting txID(s).
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seems the forum is more active than bitcointalk

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Hi dev, any planning to make some team in different country? Maybe it would be batter to make some community in different world. Just some suggest to make this ICO will be rise much more.

only go further for better advancements and for some better scenario is not enough but work work and only work...


Team Qtum is convening to pen a reply to your thought provocative post.  Roll Eyes FWIW, they'll reply quicker to your post then to all others requesting txID(s).

seems Qtum start to response your questions man, check it





but also i still want to know about the development work.

also the comments on this big post?


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- https://qtum.org

Qtum, will probably replace ethereum because it is simpler and has fewer problems. The UXTO model is much cleaner. They have a lot of previous developers and have already done two previous coins and are the best team I have seen so far.


I won't trust dev that promoting qtum-SCAM.....

I have not looked at qtum's code.

We know the qtum founder and he is one of the largest investors in Skycoin from four years ago, before qtum or any of this. Some of the people around him are legendary scammers, but he is not a scammer.

I think Patricks role in the bitbay situation is exaggerated. I read through the arguments and it just sounds like drama.

Many of the people in the Bitcoin community are sociopaths. They often steal things or cause drama, then immediately blame it or scapegoat it on someone else. They are not even done stealing the money, before they go on campaign of moral indignation against the fall person.

I think Patrick was blamed for Bitbay because his personality makes him an easy victim for sociopaths and the human predators in the bitcoin community. There are people walking around, sizing people up and trying to determine whether they can manipulate someone, setup a scam, steal things and who is going to be gullible or a fall person.

If you knew the people involved, you would understand what the social dynamic is.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.

Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.

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April 08, 2017, 10:05:45 AM
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seems the forum is more active than bitcointalk




In what way is it more active than bitcointalk? Any stats to show that proves this?
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Qtum's forum is more active than BitcoinTalk.



In what way is it more active than bitcointalk? Any stats to show that proves this?

Yes, the stats are on the blockchain with a link to the txID revealed any second now.

Hey, if you guys got locked out of Qtum's ICO, you're now in luck. It seems that there's a rogue band of Russians calling themselves The Argon Group facilitating ICOs, now in the process of seeking over U$50M combined in Investard funding. Tell them Bruno sent you and they'll promise to use lube.  Shocked
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Qtum's forum is more active than BitcoinTalk.



In what way is it more active than bitcointalk? Any stats to show that proves this?

Yes, the stats are on the blockchain with a link to the txID revealed any second now.

Hey, if you guys got locked out of Qtum's ICO, you're now in luck. It seems that there's a rogue band of Russians calling themselves The Argon Group facilitating ICOs, now in the process of seeking over U$50M combined in Investard funding. Tell them Bruno sent you and they'll promise to use lube.  Shocked

now, you start attack Qtum's forum is more active than BitcoinTalk.  that's not good man.

check my last post man.

Hi dev, any planning to make some team in different country? Maybe it would be batter to make some community in different world. Just some suggest to make this ICO will be rise much more.

only go further for better advancements and for some better scenario is not enough but work work and only work...


Team Qtum is convening to pen a reply to your thought provocative post.  Roll Eyes FWIW, they'll reply quicker to your post then to all others requesting txID(s).

seems Qtum start to response your questions man, check it





but also i still want to know about the development work.

also the comments on this big post?



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April 09, 2017, 04:13:01 AM
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Too many chinese involve hehe
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April 09, 2017, 04:31:49 AM
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Qtum's forum is more active than BitcoinTalk.



In what way is it more active than bitcointalk? Any stats to show that proves this?

Yes, the stats are on the blockchain with a link to the txID revealed any second now.

Hey, if you guys got locked out of Qtum's ICO, you're now in luck. It seems that there's a rogue band of Russians calling themselves The Argon Group facilitating ICOs, now in the process of seeking over U$50M combined in Investard funding. Tell them Bruno sent you and they'll promise to use lube.  Shocked

now, you start attack Qtum's forum is more active than BitcoinTalk.  that's not good man.


I stand corrected, for I'm such a fuckin idiot! Of course Qtum's forum which started just a couple days ago is more active than BitcoinTalk. What the fuck was I even thinking or smoking?

BitcoinTalk has ONLY 965,965 members, whereas Qtum's forum has ... numbers to be released the same time Qtum produces the txIDs depicting their U$15M+ windfall during their ICO.


theymos, sell BCT while the gettin's good. From the looks of it, by this time next week, it'll just be you, me and dank populating BitcoinTalk.  Cry Cry Cry
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April 09, 2017, 05:30:32 AM
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this ann shouts scam scam scam and chinese scam lol

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this ann shouts scam scam scam and chinese scam lol

Now they'll be calling you a racist.  Roll Eyes
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April 09, 2017, 06:37:39 AM
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There is the same qtum in tradesatoshi?
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There is the same qtum in tradesatoshi?

it's a different coin.

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April 09, 2017, 08:43:27 AM
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only thing matter is if dev can delivery the platform or not

otherwise no matter how many people invest, it may fall.

also it does not matter if someone like the project, someone do not like the project.

even right now, some people still think bitcoin is a scam

if dev can delivery the platform, Qtum will be the top5 coin in 1 year.

i will bet 10BTC on this.

welcome to join me.


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if Qtum can not be a top5 coin on coinmarketcap by April 9th 2018.

i will give 10BTC to who bet with me.


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April 09, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
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- https://qtum.org

Qtum, will probably replace ethereum because it is simpler and has fewer problems. The UXTO model is much cleaner. They have a lot of previous developers and have already done two previous coins and are the best team I have seen so far.


I won't trust dev that promoting qtum-SCAM.....

I have not looked at qtum's code.

We know the qtum founder and he is one of the largest investors in Skycoin from four years ago, before qtum or any of this. Some of the people around him are legendary scammers, but he is not a scammer.

I think Patricks role in the bitbay situation is exaggerated. I read through the arguments and it just sounds like drama.

Many of the people in the Bitcoin community are sociopaths. They often steal things or cause drama, then immediately blame it or scapegoat it on someone else. They are not even done stealing the money, before they go on campaign of moral indignation against the fall person.

I think Patrick was blamed for Bitbay because his personality makes him an easy victim for sociopaths and the human predators in the bitcoin community. There are people walking around, sizing people up and trying to determine whether they can manipulate someone, setup a scam, steal things and who is going to be gullible or a fall person.

If you knew the people involved, you would understand what the social dynamic is.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?


Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.


Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.


so Bitcoin Ethereum Qtum Skycoin and Byteball.

that's the evolution of the blockchain technology.

another advantage of Qtum i think is it's based on proof of stake


Both bitcoin and Ethereum are still POW based.

Skycoin and Byteball and Qtum are very interesting.

one more project, i think it's elastic.

i think skycoin dev missed one point, Qtum is POS based.

Also that's the speech Patrick made on Ethereum DEV Conference in Paris.



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do you have the plan to release a proof of work version Qtum?

since Ethereum will switch to POS by the end of 2017.

then people with a lot of GPU card need to find some new coins to mine

so it will be great if Qtum release a POW version same time ?

how do you guys think ?

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https://forum.qtum.org/

Seems Qtum Forum Online now

how many users in the forum now?


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http://technode.com/2017/01/13/qtum-wants-to-unify-bitcoin-and-ethereum-blockchain-applications/

Qtum wants to unify Bitcoin and Ethereum blockchain applications

Qtum a Shanghai-based blockchain company, announced on Wednesday a more than 1 million USD angel round from top blockchain evangelists, academics, venture capitalists, and technology enthusiasts on Wednesday. The company claims they have the world’s first digital currency that can execute smart contracts with a proof-of-stake consensus mechanism, and are now working on a project called Qhola to circulate its currency on top of WeChat mini program.

Some of the project backers include Kuaidi founder Chen Weixing, OkCoin CEO Star Xu, founder of Ethereum and Jaxx Blockchain Interface Anthony Di Iorio, blockchain technology advocate Bo Shen, and Chinese angel investor, Xiaolai Li.

Qtum (pronounced “quantum”) is an open-source value transfer protocol and decentralized application platform that aims to pool the development resources of Bitcoin with decentralized application developers from Ethereum. Ethereum is a platform and a programming language that makes it possible for any developer to build and publish next-generation decentralized applications.

“Bitcoin is primarily a value transferring network while Ethereum is predominantly a smart contracts platform. Qtum utilizes the core technology from both of these platforms; it merges the value transfer technology of Bitcoin with smart contract execution technology of Ethereum,” John Scianna, PR manager at Qtum told TechNode.

The funding will allow the Qtum Foundation to develop a working beta of the project. Until now, the team has managed to get the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) running on a fork of Bitcoin Core 0.13, which allows the company to use many of the decentralized applications that were already built on Ethereum.

Leveraging WeChat mini-apps

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Qtum is aiming to leverage WeChat’s new mini-apps platform to circulate its tokens on WeChat. Qhola takes advantage of WeChat’s mini programs to allow users to send and receive Qtum tokens as well as pay for products and services within WeChat. Qhola also aims to take this technology to other mobile messaging platforms such as Facebook Messenger and Telegram.

“Current tokenized applications require users to download the whole blockchain. When you think about a user trying to store over ten gigabytes of data on their phone just to run a few apps, it’s not realistic,” John remarked. “Qtum can run tokenized applications without having to download the blockchain.”

Qtum is currently compatible with the existing Simple Payment Verification “light wallet” protocol and will support mobile device use cases.

Uniting Bitcoin and Ethereum

“The support we received from public figures in both the Bitcoin and Ethereum communities illustrates that we are uniting these two groups,” said Patrick Dai, Founder of the Qtum project and previous employee at Alibaba. An alumnus of Draper University, Partick has been part of the Bitcoin community since 2012.

Many current blockchain projects were built with the ideology that technology should disintermediate corporations, and have programs run by themselves with no central governing body. Most businesses, however, will continue to rely on people for most operations, but there are still many use cases where blockchain technology can reduce waste and inefficiencies for businesses.

Qtum aims to be the bridge between the two so that users can have autonomous applications and businesses can have their blockchain applications without having to create their own technology from scratch.

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Any non Chinese exchange where we can buy Qtum from?
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