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[JayJuanGee]

I think, Mr. JayJuanGee, that you are not a very careful reader.  I am not a perfect poster, but I am not guilty of the heinous crimes you accuse me of.  You should reread this discussion more attentively.

There you go again... giving assignments...   

At this point, I am of the sense that I have adequately read and/or researched in order to substantiate any points that I made in this post and in prior posts.

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[thefunkybits]

Just a fair warning to the wall observers:

Monero XMR is set to breakout real soon and takeover DRK as the king of anon coins  

[xyzzy099]

I think, Mr. JayJuanGee, that you are not a very careful reader.  I am not a perfect poster, but I am not guilty of the heinous crimes you accuse me of.  You should reread this discussion more attentively.

There you go again... giving assignments...   

At this point, I am of the sense that I have adequately read and/or researched in order to substantiate any points that I made in this post and in prior posts.

Thank you for replying with meaningful support for your position, instead of just snarky sarcasm  

[adamstgBit]

Just a fair warning to the wall observers:

Monero XMR is set to breakout real soon and takeover DRK as the king of anon coins  

dump it.

[adamstgBit]

i'm calling it now

price will never move again.

[Richy_T]

I did not complain that Jorge was 'not trying hard enough'  Jorge himself stated outright that certain preconceptions that he had - voting from home systems were a priori bad and wrong (although I am still not sure why he would see this only a a vote-from-home system) had caused him to dismiss this technology out-of-hand, without even examining it at all.

One of the big problems with voting is anonymity. This is required for several important reasons. This means voting from home is not a realistic option (though you are not specifically pushing for that, it is often a wish of many of those who are pushing for e-voting).

I think what would come close to a good system would be where one would enter a booth, cast a vote and that choice would be cryptographically signed, receiving a receipt that would allow one to verify one's vote later. This would require a recording of all votes, potentially on some blockchain type system but not necessarily.

There would also need to be a system in place where one could not be "fobbed off" with a duplicate receipt. I think this is solvable cryptographically though.

One other issue with e-voting is that it becomes fairly easy to subvert anonymity. If the machine timestamps a vote, it becomes more easy to track who voted how.

Unfortunately an issue with the receipt is that that also subverts anonymity. If you can verify your vote, so can someone else.

In the end, I think it's a problem without a solution, merely a "best attempt". Unfortunately, current implementations of e-voting are very far from that and tend to suggest a kindergartener's level of understanding of the problem at hand.

[thefunkybits]

i'm calling it now

price will never move again.

You sure about that? We've had some time to contemplate the sell walls and now some heavy bids are filling in!

[adamstgBit]

i'm calling it now

price will never move again.

You sure about that? We've had some time to contemplate the sell walls and now some heavy bids are filling in!

i thought after 5K coins traded at this level the walls would get busted one way or another, but no... we've traded over 10K now and still no movement...

price movement?

NEVER AGAIN

[dannyspk]

i'm calling it now

price will never move again.

You sure about that? We've had some time to contemplate the sell walls and now some heavy bids are filling in!

i thought after 5K coins traded at this level the walls would get busted one way or another, but no... we've traded over 10K now and still no movement...

price movement?

NEVER AGAIN

Talk about a maturing market.

[thefunkybits]

Talk about a maturing market.

I'd say! I don't think I've ever seen this combination of strong stability and liquidity in Bitcoin

I have a feeling the stability might not last though   

[xyzzy099]

I did not complain that Jorge was 'not trying hard enough'  Jorge himself stated outright that certain preconceptions that he had - voting from home systems were a priori bad and wrong (although I am still not sure why he would see this only a a vote-from-home system) had caused him to dismiss this technology out-of-hand, without even examining it at all.

One of the big problems with voting is anonymity. This is required for several important reasons. This means voting from home is not a realistic option (though you are not specifically pushing for that, it is often a wish of many of those who are pushing for e-voting).

I think what would come close to a good system would be where one would enter a booth, cast a vote and that choice would be cryptographically signed, receiving a receipt that would allow one to verify one's vote later. This would require a recording of all votes, potentially on some blockchain type system but not necessarily.

There would also need to be a system in place where one could not be "fobbed off" with a duplicate receipt. I think this is solvable cryptographically though.

One other issue with e-voting is that it becomes fairly easy to subvert anonymity. If the machine timestamps a vote, it becomes more easy to track who voted how.

Unfortunately an issue with the receipt is that that also subverts anonymity. If you can verify your vote, so can someone else.

In the end, I think it's a problem without a solution, merely a "best attempt". Unfortunately, current implementations of e-voting are very far from that and tend to suggest a kindergartener's level of understanding of the problem at hand.

Yeah, I agree with you completely.  It's a tough problem.

It's still not clear to me that block chain based systems are so obviously unworkable that they are not worth even considering, but I am surely no expert in this field.

[macsga]

Talk about a maturing market.

I'd say! I don't think I've ever seen this combination of strong stability and liquidity in Bitcoin

I have a feeling the stability might not last though   

Now, THAT would have been awesome!

[oda.krell]

I did not complain that Jorge was 'not trying hard enough'  Jorge himself stated outright that certain preconceptions that he had - voting from home systems were a priori bad and wrong (although I am still not sure why he would see this only a a vote-from-home system) had caused him to dismiss this technology out-of-hand, without even examining it at all.

One of the big problems with voting is anonymity. This is required for several important reasons. This means voting from home is not a realistic option (though you are not specifically pushing for that, it is often a wish of many of those who are pushing for e-voting).

I think what would come close to a good system would be where one would enter a booth, cast a vote and that choice would be cryptographically signed, receiving a receipt that would allow one to verify one's vote later. This would require a recording of all votes, potentially on some blockchain type system but not necessarily.

There would also need to be a system in place where one could not be "fobbed off" with a duplicate receipt. I think this is solvable cryptographically though.

One other issue with e-voting is that it becomes fairly easy to subvert anonymity. If the machine timestamps a vote, it becomes more easy to track who voted how.

Unfortunately an issue with the receipt is that that also subverts anonymity. If you can verify your vote, so can someone else.

In the end, I think it's a problem without a solution, merely a "best attempt". Unfortunately, current implementations of e-voting are very far from that and tend to suggest a kindergartener's level of understanding of the problem at hand.

Eh, pretty sure that's not correct. I remember reading about a proposal for a vote verification mechanism that doesn't require compromising anonymity. I'll see if I can dig up the article.

Unless of course you work from the premise that the voting machine is compromised / the voter is watched. But in that case, all bets are off anyway, no?

[Richy_T]

It's still not clear to me that block chain based systems are so obviously unworkable that they are not worth even considering, but I am surely no expert in this field.

I'm not against them. But I'm not really sure what problem it solves. Or rather, I suspect in solving the problem it can, it merely causes a problem elsewhere.

An essential element of the physical voting process is the mixing in the ballot box. You could perhaps tumble the votes but I'm not sure how that would end up working and doesn't seem to make much sense in the context.

[Sandia]

Anyone understand the purpose of these flickering walls? 880 bid, then gone. 100 ask at 509, then gone. 654 reappears at 510.
What is the reasoning for doing this?  Entertainment?

[adamstgBit]

i'm gana go full fiat and when its clear which why its going hop back in

hahahahah joking.....

[macsga]

i'm gana go full fiat and when its clear which why its going hop back in

hahahahah joking.....

Adam's account hacked!!! 

[wachtwoord]

Who was it, who posted this really cool log()Log() trendline in december or january? I want to see how far we are below the trendline now. Next bubble should be gigantic

Ah the superexponential chart. I think that chart indicated we should be at 20-40k right now. One can only dream

[Richy_T]

Eh, pretty sure that's not correct. I remember reading about a proposal for a vote verification mechanism that doesn't require compromising anonymity. I'll see if I can dig up the article.

Unless of course you work from the premise that the voting machine is compromised / the voter is watched. But in that case, all bets are off anyway, no?

I'd be interested. Verifying your vote will require either something you know or something you have, I would think. Either of which could be used by a malicious third party.

[ChartBuddy]

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