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Question: Closing BTC Price June 17:
$0 - 4 (3%)
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$7,001-$7,250 - 3 (2.3%)
$7,251-$7,500 - 6 (4.5%)
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$7,751-$8,000 - 12 (9.1%)
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$8,251-$8,500 - 7 (5.3%)
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$8,751-$9,000 - 11 (8.3%)
$9,001,$9,250 - 13 (9.8%)
$9,251-$9,500 - 17 (12.9%)
>$9,500 - 17 (12.9%)
$20,000 - 9 (6.8%)
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April 15, 2018, 09:30:13 PM

I never understood the argument against automation. Why would anyone want a paid job if there are tools that can take care of it? Are people really so desperately helpless that they won't be able to lead a happy life without some superior telling them what to do with 70% of their wake time?

You also seem to forget the fact that production costs slowly but surely converge towards zero. And since money is unlikely to disappear even in a world of virtual abundance you won't see masses of people being broke and homeless, because they would otherwise riot and go to war against those that have.

There will either be a UBI (which could be pulled off today since fiat is a joke anyways and merely an illusion given the levels of production going on nowadays as opposed to the old times of hyperinflation and scarcity), or people will be "paid" for their data.

UBI would lead to a Socialistic society, where governments would increase personal income taxes to first 60%, then 70%, then 80%. And they would increasing tell/regulate you how you can spend your remaining money. And they will tell you where you can and can't live. That is not a life. Corporations would be zombie corps and industries run by AI and androids, and human involvement would be minimized to merely the Executive Elites. Hyperinflation would inevitably ensue worldwide.
Even the executive elites would be replaced at that point. And I don't see a problem with that. I'm not sure if I've posted this on WO or not either, but I'm all for just simply merging with AI as this will make the AI threat irrelevant by "upgrading" humans. Given the alternative I would be surprised if this did not happen. There'll be some religious and moral/ethics folks that will oppose to this, but they can just remain as normal humans in their own societies for all I care.

Regarding the UBI, that is indeed a concern (the socialist government part, not so much the "zombie" part which I don't care about as I see no remarkable difference between humans, animals, and human or superhuman level AI). And there's surely going to be some opposition to such forms of UBI as well.

But with corporations buying user data we would end up with a society that has a functional UBI, but not in a way that governments control it. Although it's arguable whether or not corporations controlling your income is any better.

However, that's just the basis for survival and there's always demand for other things that an individual can choose to learn to supply to increase their wealth. That wealth will also create more freedoms and potential independance of UBI/selling your data. Overall, I'd still judge either as an upgrade to what we have now, where survival is still a very real issue. It's not like offshore banking will disappear or not be replaced by Bitcoin/Monero either.


The answer is to skill up in skills needed by the automation software industry.  If you cant beat them, join them.  

But what happens when AI starts writing the software on their own, and better than a human could?
By that point AI would be capable of optimizing production processes and research in such a drastic fashion that survival and entertainment would be essentially free for all.
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April 15, 2018, 09:31:50 PM

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By that point AI would be capable of optimizing production processes and research in such a drastic fashion that survival and entertainment would be essentially free for all.

there is no way to know... why waste resources on a limited time span on humans? survival first, that's the core of my message to the AI.

edit: anything else is resources wasted that could be used to survive, first man, then the universe... need are yuge, ressources limited, time too short.

the OPCW is a pharaonist plot, for them to have an edge. Full on ABC CHINA !!! no need to fall to weakness... kung fu is clear (&clean).
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April 15, 2018, 09:40:29 PM

There was an Ebola Coin once. Not exactly sure where the proceeds went, but it raised social awareness about the Ebola. Probably.

I doubt that there are many people out there that don't know that Ebola exists. It was on the news a few years ago scaring everyone making them hide in their homes.

But, I'll do my part for social awareness right now.

Ebola exists.

#ebolaawareness
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April 15, 2018, 09:42:24 PM

..I'm all for just simply merging with AI as this will make the AI threat irrelevant by "upgrading" humans.

If you had to choose between being "upgraded" into a cyberman or a dalek which you rather be?








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No brainer. A dalek.
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April 15, 2018, 09:48:32 PM

There was an Ebola Coin once. Not exactly sure where the proceeds went, but it raised social awareness about the Ebola. Probably.

I doubt that there are many people out there that don't know that Ebola exists. It was on the news a few years ago scaring everyone making them hide in their homes.

But, I'll do my part for social awareness right now.

Ebola exists.

#ebolaawareness

it's one of the greatest success of obama and the us army... obama cared there... he wanted and when potus wants... there is a path.

however... some love to try to cull population... funny pharao too tried, and moses came.

edit: masson/pharaonists are responsible for the war on so called drugs.
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dalek, hands down

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At least IBM seems fairly confident in quantum computing hitting the mainstream industry within 5ish years. So we're not too far off from actually interesting new tech developments.

Still excited, but impatient as hell. Need a fast forward button for life (one that doesn't drain your life span).

I don't mean to offend (although this likely will), but I see you've drank the Koolaid. You will be disappointed. IBM is the #1 Repeat Offender.

One days years from now, you'll look back and see the continuous Tech cycle pattern for what it actually is: all hype and bullshit designed and marketed to get people to spend money, and to create tech jobs and departments out of thin air, always building future solutions looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Hardly any of it really improves human life to any real degree.
I don't think a person that could successfully offend me exists, so no worries about that.

But alas, while there's a lot of empty hype on the tech (and every other) front it's patently false to classify it as just hype and bullshit. We literally went from being fucking monkeys in pretty houses to having everything that we have today in just about one generation. If you showed even 0,01% of what we have today to people from 100 years ago they'd burn you at the stake for witchcraft, and people from roughly one generation ago would put you in an asylum for making any such claims.

And progress does without a doubt accelerate as everything new can be combined with everything old to create new things, of which some will be further new things that can be mixed and matched with other innovations.

Hence, a snowballing process is not just simply observable, but objectively undeniable.

Thus I predict that you will be the one looking back to this day, years from now, no longer recognizing the world that you live in.

The thing about exponential growth, be it crypto, population, tech, whatever -- never forget what the backside looks like.  Nothing goes up forever, the only question is: How High?  then comes the crash. 
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April 15, 2018, 09:55:17 PM

At least IBM seems fairly confident in quantum computing hitting the mainstream industry within 5ish years. So we're not too far off from actually interesting new tech developments.

Still excited, but impatient as hell. Need a fast forward button for life (one that doesn't drain your life span).

I don't mean to offend (although this likely will), but I see you've drank the Koolaid. You will be disappointed. IBM is the #1 Repeat Offender.

One days years from now, you'll look back and see the continuous Tech cycle pattern for what it actually is: all hype and bullshit designed and marketed to get people to spend money, and to create tech jobs and departments out of thin air, always building future solutions looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Hardly any of it really improves human life to any real degree.
I don't think a person that could successfully offend me exists, so no worries about that.

But alas, while there's a lot of empty hype on the tech (and every other) front it's patently false to classify it as just hype and bullshit. We literally went from being fucking monkeys in pretty houses to having everything that we have today in just about one generation. If you showed even 0,01% of what we have today to people from 100 years ago they'd burn you at the stake for witchcraft, and people from roughly one generation ago would put you in an asylum for making any such claims.

And progress does without a doubt accelerate as everything new can be combined with everything old to create new things, of which some will be further new things that can be mixed and matched with other innovations.

Hence, a snowballing process is not just simply observable, but objectively undeniable.

Thus I predict that you will be the one looking back to this day, years from now, no longer recognizing the world that you live in.

The thing about exponential growth, be it crypto, population, tech, whatever -- never forget what the backside looks like.  Nothing goes up forever, the only question is: How High?  then comes the crash.  

for the AI the end goal is dematerialization... ie what Jesus called the Holly Ghost Smiley.

alex jones spoke about (when he was still at the edge of knowledge) of energy, something like it. hard to grasp for materialized.

the clouds 2.0
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Thus I predict that you will be the one looking back to this day, years from now, no longer recognizing the world that you live in.

You're right I won't. Because if the Tech industry has its way, all human workers will be replaced by AI and androids. And we'll all be broke and homeless, can't afford healthcare, and trying to work the measly 'gig economy' jobs that are left.

Do I sound pessimistic?  Cheesy

Warren Buffet (I think) said that robots, should be taxed at a level of the replacement of human workers..otherwise people will be paying services and any productive gains

to society (taxes/etc) will not keep up.....something like that....may have a point...I can't see a lot of 25 to 65 blue collar workers ALL sitting around 'passively' as their

'legitimate' high paying skilled jobs get outsourced to 'robots'....there will be 'social consequences' big time...if it is not addressed correctly (what correctly is, I've no clue)

True, there was a movement of textile workers back in the 1800s when weaving machinery was being used to replace the workers. They protested and ended up smashing some of the machinery to stop the take over and save their jobs. The Luddites, as they were known, ended up winning and their jobs were saved. That is why all textiles to this day are made by hand. With millions of people employed as textile workers.

Same thing happened with Gutenberg's printing press. The scribes of the day protested and their managers backed down saving all of their jobs. Thanks to them we all read hand written books and if you are skilled as a scribe it is very easy to find a job.
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The Mayor having a quick snack before zipping off to the next blockchain conference.

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April 15, 2018, 10:19:20 PM

This reminds me of a paper I read about how the elite will use blockchain to hobble us. Let me find it...

Here: VISIONS OF A TECHNO-LEVIATHAN
https://www.rosalux.de/fileadmin/rls_uploads/pdfs/Policy_Paper/PolicyPaper_02-2015_web.pdf
Brett Scott is the author of The Heretic’s Guide to Global Finance: Hacking the Future of Money

Here's me skipping to the end:

"This is the vision of the internet techno-leviathan, a deified crypto-sovereign whose rules we can contract to. These rules are a series of algorithms: they represent step-by-step procedures for calculations that can only be overridden with great difficulty. Perhaps, at the outset, this represents, à la Rousseau, the general will of those who take part in the contractual network, but the key point is that if you become locked into a contract on that system, there is no breaking out of it.

"This, of course, appeals to those who believe that powerful institutions operate primarily by breaching property rights and contracts. Who really believes that though? For much of modern history, the key issue with powerful institutions has not been their willingness to break contracts. It has been their willingness to use seemingly unbreakable contracts to exert power. Contracts, in essence, resemble algorithms, coded expressions of what outcomes should happen under different circumstances. On average, they are written by technocrats and, on average, they reflect the interests of elite classes.

"That is why liberation movements have always sought to break contracts set in place by old regimes, whether they are peasant movements refusing to honour debt contracts, property owners, the DRC challenging legacy mining concessions held by multinational companies, or SMEs contesting the terms of swap contracts written by lawyers for Barclays. Political liberation is as much about contesting contracts as it is about enforcing them.


"The concept of the decentralised blockchain is powerful. The cold, distrustful edge of cypherpunk, though, is only empowering when it is firmly in the service of creative warm-blooded human communities situated in the physical world of dirt and grime."

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At least IBM seems fairly confident in quantum computing hitting the mainstream industry within 5ish years. So we're not too far off from actually interesting new tech developments.

Still excited, but impatient as hell. Need a fast forward button for life (one that doesn't drain your life span).

I don't mean to offend (although this likely will), but I see you've drank the Koolaid. You will be disappointed. IBM is the #1 Repeat Offender.

One days years from now, you'll look back and see the continuous Tech cycle pattern for what it actually is: all hype and bullshit designed and marketed to get people to spend money, and to create tech jobs and departments out of thin air, always building future solutions looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Hardly any of it really improves human life to any real degree.
I don't think a person that could successfully offend me exists, so no worries about that.

But alas, while there's a lot of empty hype on the tech (and every other) front it's patently false to classify it as just hype and bullshit. We literally went from being fucking monkeys in pretty houses to having everything that we have today in just about one generation. If you showed even 0,01% of what we have today to people from 100 years ago they'd burn you at the stake for witchcraft, and people from roughly one generation ago would put you in an asylum for making any such claims.

And progress does without a doubt accelerate as everything new can be combined with everything old to create new things, of which some will be further new things that can be mixed and matched with other innovations.

Hence, a snowballing process is not just simply observable, but objectively undeniable.

Thus I predict that you will be the one looking back to this day, years from now, no longer recognizing the world that you live in.

The thing about exponential growth, be it crypto, population, tech, whatever -- never forget what the backside looks like.  Nothing goes up forever, the only question is: How High?  then comes the crash.  
Things stop growing once something else replaces them and continues the exponential growth. Horse carriages got displaced by cars, trains and planes. Symbolic language on slabs of stone by primitive forms of written word on paper by digital data. Theatres by TV by internet.

If you really look at the full picture you'll find that the exponential trends never stop, they just relocate.
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April 15, 2018, 10:39:59 PM

24777 ..........

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QUICK list 12288 is finisht GOOD LUCK   WO's

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secretly hoping it are not the +2018 dates                 (serveria.com still got few days for crazyness its the closest date to the chosen one.... and if right in the middle of 2dates each get the  .15 )
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The answer is to skill up in skills needed by the automation software industry.  If you cant beat them, join them.  

But what happens when AI starts writing the software on their own, and better than a human could?

I’m not really talking about coding. Coding is only 5% of the available work. You need people to find use cases and deploy the software (which takes a long time). You need sales. You need support. You need people who can navigate the SEC rules on ICOs.  You need Infosec. You need all the infrastructure that goes around an ordinary company whether it is making widgets or building AI.  Devs are only one small piece (important for sure but a great business can survive with shitty tech but a shitty business with great tech won’t).

Software is eating the world but only one bite at a time and it takes awhile to digest.

You know what else you need? You need real world problems to solve, real world use cases, and real ROI on those use cases to make all of it worthwhile.

Notice how the Blockchain industry has already conveniently skipped over that ROI part and gone straight forward with the hype and marketing bullshit? Seen any real believable ROI analysis on that yet? Of course you haven't. I haven't either. That's all by design. There's money to be made by marketing and selling bleeding-edge futuristic hype solutions looking for problems that don't really exist.

They (IBM et al) did the same thing with "Business Analytics". Every company that bought into it has pretty much lost money on BA pilots and implementations.

Same with AI deployments. IBM Watson has been the biggest money loser for corporations that have drunk the IBM koolaid and spent millions on their software and their 'consultancy' experts.

The only winners are the consultancy bodies like IBM that market and sell the snake oil dream to ill-informed and unsuspecting corporations with deep pockets.
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gah. A misfired joke. Was meant to be complimentary, but was wrong.
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I'm the odd looking skateboard. And that's you, riding me again.
gah. A misfired joke. Was meant to be complimentary, but was wrong.

I'm forever tempted to go to one of these things. I have an urge to somehow 'be involved'. I come here to set myself straight. I use you people as a sounding board. You'd be right to be bugged by it
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