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May 14, 2013, 09:20:21 PM
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DOJ is under the DHS, right?. If this isn't in relation to the court case, then what?
No, they are both cabinet level departments.
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May 14, 2013, 09:21:16 PM
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Can you at least speak in facts? We are witnessing bad news just get eaten up by buys. Amazing, and that is all you can say?

How about we just try to be realists and not Bulls or Bears? This is interesting lab work right now.  Wink

Facts are if the move on Gox comes from the US Government and severely interferes/destroys Gox's ability to process US transactions then you're going to see this "amazing" phenomenon amount to one massive bull trap within 48 hours.

So far the "news" is from Dwolla and that is it. It doesn't sound sinister.
What news about any other payment providers outside of Dwolla? What are you talking about?
The MtGox queue is also over now, the said they are caught up.
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May 14, 2013, 09:22:29 PM
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The MtGox queue is also over now, the said they are caught up.

So now everyone can cash out, instead of being trapped in MtGox. Great.  Tongue
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May 14, 2013, 09:23:01 PM
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So far the "news" is from Dwolla and that is it. It doesn't sound sinister.
What news about any other payment providers outside of Dwolla? What are you talking about?
The MtGox queue is also over now, the said they are caught up.

You've only heard it from Dwolla. DHS serving a US District Court Order preventing Dwolla, but no other institutions, from doing business with Gox's US arm? Possible, but unlikely imo.
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May 14, 2013, 09:23:43 PM
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The MtGox queue is also over now, the said they are caught up.

So now everyone can cash out, instead of being trapped in MtGox. Great.  Tongue

Or withdraw their coins faster. Verification works that way , too. :-p
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May 14, 2013, 09:26:47 PM
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So far the "news" is from Dwolla and that is it. It doesn't sound sinister.
What news about any other payment providers outside of Dwolla? What are you talking about?
The MtGox queue is also over now, the said they are caught up.

You've only heard it from Dwolla. DHS serving a US District Court Order preventing Dwolla, but no other institutions, from doing business with Gox's US arm? Possible, but unlikely imo.

Thx - Isn't Dwolla on the small side regarding funding? And do most Americans fund through an American payment provider or are they transferring funds to Japan?
I'm wondering why we haven't heard anything from other funders.
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May 14, 2013, 09:27:31 PM
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If this isn't in relation to the court case, then what?

No telling, but it's not the first time DHS has shot first and asked questions later.

Perhaps they were alerted by suspicious transaction reports filed by Gox's U.S. banks or banks wiring to them in Japan. Gox has said that the amount of money flowing into the exchange has increased dramatically, and those kinds of changes to funds flow are certainly a red flag for bureaucrats.
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May 14, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
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Quote from: Betabeat
Update: Here is what Mt. Gox sent us in response to a request for comment:

Thank you for the email. We can see that the Dwolla transactions are not getting processed right now. We will contact Dwolla and post an announcement regarding this. Your patience is appreciated till then.

http://betabeat.com/2013/05/department-of-homeland-security-shuts-down-dwolla-payments-to-and-from-mt-gox/
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May 14, 2013, 09:36:19 PM
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We are here:

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May 14, 2013, 09:36:46 PM
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The MtGox queue is also over now, the said they are caught up.

So now everyone can cash out, instead of being trapped in MtGox. Great.  Tongue

Account verification is also required to transfer money to Gox via SEPA.
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May 14, 2013, 09:37:55 PM
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We are here:


+1     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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May 14, 2013, 09:39:24 PM
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If this isn't in relation to the court case, then what?

No telling, but it's not the first time DHS has shot first and asked questions later.

Perhaps they were alerted by suspicious transaction reports filed by Gox's U.S. banks or banks wiring to them in Japan. Gox has said that the amount of money flowing into the exchange has increased dramatically, and those kinds of changes to funds flow are certainly a red flag for bureaucrats.

That makes sense. However, for a court order DHS would need some strong evidence of illegal activity. The transfer of funds out of the country is by no means illegal, and neither is investing in bitcoin. I would bet this is related to an investigation into money laundering and/or MT Gox not operating in accordance with US laws.
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May 14, 2013, 09:39:36 PM
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We are here:



Keep telling yourself that, just be prepared to fall upward.  Grin
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May 14, 2013, 09:40:01 PM
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The MtGox queue is also over now, the said they are caught up.

So now everyone can cash out, instead of being trapped in MtGox. Great.  Tongue

Account verification is also required to transfer money to Gox via SEPA.

If DHS is after Gox, they can sieze any incoming wires to the USA from them. Having Gox wire me money would be the LAST thing I'd do right now until we know more.

Buy BTC, move it to your wallet. Then move it whereever you want to cash out.
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May 14, 2013, 09:42:38 PM
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If this isn't in relation to the court case, then what?

No telling, but it's not the first time DHS has shot first and asked questions later.

Perhaps they were alerted by suspicious transaction reports filed by Gox's U.S. banks or banks wiring to them in Japan. Gox has said that the amount of money flowing into the exchange has increased dramatically, and those kinds of changes to funds flow are certainly a red flag for bureaucrats.

That makes sense. However, for a court order DHS would need some strong evidence of illegal activity. The transfer of funds out of the country is by no means illegal, and neither is investing in bitcoin. I would bet this is related to an investigation into money laundering and/or MT Gox not operating in accordance with US laws.

Uh, bro I hate to break it to you, DHS doesn't care about laws, they pretty much do what they want.

http://www.infowars.com/department-of-homeland-security-can-seize-gold-silver-guns-in-safety-deposit-boxes/

They just yell "A terrorist has used GOX to move money in order to attack MERICA!" and any business who tries to lawyer up will get slapped the fuck down.
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May 14, 2013, 09:42:49 PM
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BTC to go down to 70
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May 14, 2013, 09:43:02 PM
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And you are clearly a Bear?  Cheesy
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May 14, 2013, 09:45:33 PM
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Funny to see how quickly that tough guy, libertarian talk goes out the window once the feds actually show up.  Thank God Ripple is on the way to save Bitcoin from ruin.  And just in time too.  Somehow I told ya so, just doesn't quite say it.
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May 14, 2013, 09:50:26 PM
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Of course though it doesn't matter whether or not we believe this Dwolla story, what matters is whether or not everyone else does, and what they do as a result.
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May 14, 2013, 09:50:40 PM
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Slipping downwards.

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