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[gentlemand]

Would you seriously recommend anything else for your sister, cousin, parents, grandparents?

You bet. Anything cheap that works. There's a big old choice.

.... Except it doesn't work. I can make it work, you can make it work. But the people who asks us... they need an Iphone.

For the relative luddite on a budget there is...

whisper it...

W****** Phone 8

[Fatman3001]

I get the feeling that people without an Iphone are more hung up on its role as a status symbol than those who own one.

I think it's more down to the bizarro smugness of their owners than their desirability. There are plenty of other phones that cost just as much.

Have you ever met someone (and I don't mean online) who owns an iPhone?
All I ever hear is people calling iPhone owners smug, but in my opinion it's the Android owners that are smug! 

Yes. They were pleased with their choices and I applaud it. I didn't applaud spending ten minutes listening to them trying to convert me. I'm a neither person at the moment.

Which means you're supporting Darth Vader and The Evil Empire. People who bitch about apple now are either children or amnesiacs. It was reeeeaaally crappy when we were forced to deal with Microsoft products.

[gentlemand]

I get the feeling that people without an Iphone are more hung up on its role as a status symbol than those who own one.

I think it's more down to the bizarro smugness of their owners than their desirability. There are plenty of other phones that cost just as much.

Have you ever met someone (and I don't mean online) who owns an iPhone?
All I ever hear is people calling iPhone owners smug, but in my opinion it's the Android owners that are smug! 

Yes. They were pleased with their choices and I applaud it. I didn't applaud spending ten minutes listening to them trying to convert me. I'm a neither person at the moment.

Which means you're supporting Darth Vader and The Evil Empire. People who bitch about apple now are either children or amnesiacs. It was reeeeaaally crappy when we were forced to deal with Microsoft products.

These days I'm a 10 yr old Nokia person.

[Fatman3001]

Would you seriously recommend anything else for your sister, cousin, parents, grandparents?

You bet. Anything cheap that works. There's a big old choice.

.... Except it doesn't work. I can make it work, you can make it work. But the people who asks us... they need an Iphone.

For the relative luddite on a budget there is...

whisper it...

W****** Phone 8

A friend of my wife bought a Nokia with Windows a while ago after I recommended Iphone. She changed to Iphone after six months. When I asked her about it she just answered: cheapskates pay twice. In fact, the Android phone I use now I got for free from someone who bought an Iphone after just 2 months. Come to think of it, I haven't bought a phone myself since Iphone arrived on the market.

[12345mm]

The exact words that came to mind when i saw the TV ad for applepay were "ooohhhh fuck this'll kill bitcoin for sure" ... sorry folks but people in the billions will flock to that type of service as will all of the merchants ... it's just easier to use a phone based prepaid account using the phone you already have and the currency you already have than to bother fucking with all the ridiculous by comparison hassles of buying/storing/spending bitcoin ...

I'm sorry if it's complicated for you. Just to add another layer of complication: not everyone owns an Iphone. And its competitor PayPal is offering the option of filling up with Bitcoin.

The overwhelming majority of the world can't afford Apple or thinks those who advocate their products are nincompoops. It's a bit of fraying tinsel on a system that is not engaging with the world at large.

im a tech savvy genius level person and capable of using bitcoin (obviously) and it is so totally and completely obviously complicated *versus* a simple prepaid phone based payment app it's laughable ... and i recognize the fact that most people will choose the path of least resistance ... which is the latter of the options between bitcoin and applepay style service ... note *type of service* is what i said ... as in ... for example ... an app similar to applepay that works on all smartphones is what i see as a likely next step if apple refuses to put out their applepay app to all other platforms other than ios ... bonus points for the app that automatically converts your prepaid balance into whatever the local currency is via geo location ... also you do know apple sold like 100 million *new* iphones last Q right ? as in like 100X as many iphones sold as people who possess any amount of bitcoin ? thats in 1 Q and thats the brand shiny new expensive 6th gen ones ... that's not counting all the previous gen ones already out there ... at this point it's like what ? every 10th person on earth has an iphone ... everyone else is either living in the dark ages or has a different brand smartphone with a small minority of the developed world still using their shitty old cellphones ... even most poor people can afford a used smartphone for $30 ... apple or not smart phones are nearly ubiquitous and an applepay style app will be available to everyone ... come to think of it a used iphone is a lot cheaper than any device capable of receiving storing and transmitting bitcoin ... hmmm ...

[Fatman3001]

I get the feeling that people without an Iphone are more hung up on its role as a status symbol than those who own one.

I think it's more down to the bizarro smugness of their owners than their desirability. There are plenty of other phones that cost just as much.

Have you ever met someone (and I don't mean online) who owns an iPhone?
All I ever hear is people calling iPhone owners smug, but in my opinion it's the Android owners that are smug! 

Yes. They were pleased with their choices and I applaud it. I didn't applaud spending ten minutes listening to them trying to convert me. I'm a neither person at the moment.

Which means you're supporting Darth Vader and The Evil Empire. People who bitch about apple now are either children or amnesiacs. It was reeeeaaally crappy when we were forced to deal with Microsoft products.

These days I'm a 10 yr old Nokia person.

I have a pristine red 8210 with a new battery in a drawer somewhere. It is a thing of beauty.

[JimboToronto]

The overwhelming majority of the world can't afford Apple or thinks those who advocate their products are nincompoops.  

Count me among the latter group. I can easily afford any Apple product I want but I don't want their garbage hardware.

Every time I've tried to use an Apple product, it has been an extremely unpleasant experience.

My hackintoshed EeePC901 worked okay except for having to use crappy Apple applications, but my iPad Mini was a disaster.

I couldn't even reset it to factory condition without installing malware called iTunes on my PC, so I installed Win7 temporarily on a test rig so I wouldn't have to pollute one of my working systems. I also had to buy a proprietary USB cable ("Lightning") to accomplish this, or to even charge the battery.

Then I found out that I couldn't even transfer media files from my PC to the iPad using USB, nor could I install nor even download any applications (not even free ones) without creating an Apple account. I had no intention of relinquishing my anonymity to some sleazy company like Apple Corp.

At least with my Android mobile device, I can download APK files on my PC, transfer them through a standard USB cable to my Android device and install them anonymously without ever going near Google or "Playstore".

Sorry, but IMO you have to be a brainwashed, Koolade-drinking Apple cultist to buy one of their overpriced worthless products.

They just plain don't work.



Before and after:



Edit: BTW, my Android "phone" (Sony XperiaZ Ultra) has no SIM card which is why I refer to it as a mobile device. This preserves anonymity.

To send and receive audio messages (make phone calls) I use a military-grade Samsung Rugby with an officially anonymous SIM card whose true anonymity has been long compromised through use as a phone.

I also own several fully anonymous Alcatel and Nokia phones whose SIM cards were activated on an anonymous netbook through a disposable USB wifi adapter on a public hotspot. Paranoid? Nope, just careful.

[silverfuture]

im a tech savvy genius level person ...

...with no appreciation for the technology we commonly call paragraphs.

[gentlemand]

I get the feeling that people without an Iphone are more hung up on its role as a status symbol than those who own one.

I think it's more down to the bizarro smugness of their owners than their desirability. There are plenty of other phones that cost just as much.

Have you ever met someone (and I don't mean online) who owns an iPhone?
All I ever hear is people calling iPhone owners smug, but in my opinion it's the Android owners that are smug! 

Yes. They were pleased with their choices and I applaud it. I didn't applaud spending ten minutes listening to them trying to convert me. I'm a neither person at the moment.

Which means you're supporting Darth Vader and The Evil Empire. People who bitch about apple now are either children or amnesiacs. It was reeeeaaally crappy when we were forced to deal with Microsoft products.

These days I'm a 10 yr old Nokia person.

I have a pristine red 8210 with a new battery in a drawer somewhere. It is a thing of beauty.

Get yourself into a market with some real fundamentals.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-uks-drug-dealers-love-the-nokia-8210-988

[Fatman3001]

The exact words that came to mind when i saw the TV ad for applepay were "ooohhhh fuck this'll kill bitcoin for sure" ... sorry folks but people in the billions will flock to that type of service as will all of the merchants ... it's just easier to use a phone based prepaid account using the phone you already have and the currency you already have than to bother fucking with all the ridiculous by comparison hassles of buying/storing/spending bitcoin ...

I'm sorry if it's complicated for you. Just to add another layer of complication: not everyone owns an Iphone. And its competitor PayPal is offering the option of filling up with Bitcoin.

The overwhelming majority of the world can't afford Apple or thinks those who advocate their products are nincompoops. It's a bit of fraying tinsel on a system that is not engaging with the world at large.

im a tech savvy genius level person and capable of using bitcoin (obviously) and it is so totally and completely obviously complicated *versus* a simple prepaid phone based payment app it's laughable ... and i recognize the fact that most people will choose the path of least resistance ... which is the latter of the options between bitcoin and applepay style service ... note *type of service* is what i said ... as in ... for example ... an app similar to applepay that works on all smartphones is what i see as a likely next step if apple refuses to put out their applepay app to all other platforms other than ios ... bonus points for the app that automatically converts your prepaid balance into whatever the local currency is via geo location ... also you do know apple sold like 100 million *new* iphones last Q right ? as in like 100X as many iphones sold as people who possess any amount of bitcoin ? thats in 1 Q and thats the brand shiny new expensive 6th gen ones ... that's not counting all the previous gen ones already out there ... at this point it's like what ? every 10th person on earth has an iphone ... everyone else is either living in the dark ages or has a different brand smartphone with a small minority of the developed world still using their shitty old cellphones ... even most poor people can afford a used smartphone for $30 ... apple or not smart phones are nearly ubiquitous and an applepay style app will be available to everyone ... come to think of it a used iphone is a lot cheaper than any device capable of receiving storing and transmitting bitcoin ... hmmm ...

Save your breath (or finger tips), the price is probably gonna plunge again and you will be able to pull out of your short position gracefully.

[jeffhuys]

(I did not read the whole fee algorithm yet.  I have been told that it depends also on the number of bytes of the transaction, on the third letter of the address, on phase of the Moon, on the temperature of blockchain, and on the number of handshakes that separate the owner from Satoshi Nakamoto.  I imagine that PayPal and VISA will want to adopt these rules too.)

Thanks for that chuckle 
Now I'm wondering... How many handshakes am I separated from Satoshi? 

[Fatman3001]

I get the feeling that people without an Iphone are more hung up on its role as a status symbol than those who own one.

I think it's more down to the bizarro smugness of their owners than their desirability. There are plenty of other phones that cost just as much.

Have you ever met someone (and I don't mean online) who owns an iPhone?
All I ever hear is people calling iPhone owners smug, but in my opinion it's the Android owners that are smug! 

Yes. They were pleased with their choices and I applaud it. I didn't applaud spending ten minutes listening to them trying to convert me. I'm a neither person at the moment.

Which means you're supporting Darth Vader and The Evil Empire. People who bitch about apple now are either children or amnesiacs. It was reeeeaaally crappy when we were forced to deal with Microsoft products.

These days I'm a 10 yr old Nokia person.

I have a pristine red 8210 with a new battery in a drawer somewhere. It is a thing of beauty.

Get yourself into a market with some real fundamentals.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-uks-drug-dealers-love-the-nokia-8210-988

LOL, didn't know that.

So I have been talking about Nokia 8210s on a Bitcoin forum with my regular IP address and I live next to a prison. I probably should delete some porn before they come and get my computers.

[octaft]

lowbrow...idiots...lazy and stupid...

A regular libertarian charmer, this one.  

truth surrounding money is often far from charming ... usually quite ugly.

Libertarian logic: lets talk down to people and insult them. That'll convince them for sure!

Yes. They were pleased with their choices and I applaud it. I didn't applaud spending ten minutes listening to them trying to convert me. I'm a neither person at the moment.

Now you know how the vast majority of people feel when you tell them about bitcoin.

[Fatman3001]

The overwhelming majority of the world can't afford Apple or thinks those who advocate their products are nincompoops.  

Count me among the latter group. I can easily afford any Apple product I want but I don't want their garbage hardware.

Every time I've tried to use an Apple product, it has been an extremely unpleasant experience.

My hackintoshed EeePC901 worked okay except for having to use crappy Apple applications, but my iPad Mini was a disaster.

I couldn't even reset it to factory condition without installing malware called iTunes on my PC, so I installed Win7 temporarily on a test rig so I wouldn't have to pollute one of my working systems. I also had to buy a proprietary USB cable ("Lightning") to accomplish this, or even charge the battery.

Then I found out that I couldn't even transfer media files from my PC to the iPad using USB, nor could I install nor even download any applications (not even free ones) without creating an Apple account. I had no intention of relinquishing my anonymity to some sleazy company like Apple Corp.

At least with my Android mobile device, I can download APK files on my PC, transfer them through a standard USB cable to my Android device and install them anonymously without ever going near Google or "Playstore".

Sorry, but IMO you have to be a brainwashed, Koolade-drinking Apple cultist to buy one of their overpriced worthless products.

They just plain don't work.



Before and after:

If you don't want to use the apple ecosystem then it is perhaps not the best choice. You sort of have to go with the flow.

[GreekGeek]

If you don't want to use the apple ecosystem then it is perhaps not the best choice. You sort of have to go with the flow.

the flow

 

looks like the same people keep on buying the next big thing shit Apple spits out

[dsly]

Why is there a lot of phone discussion all of a sudden ? 

[ChartBuddy]

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[JimboToronto]

Why is there a lot of phone discussion all of a sudden ?  

People refuting the suggestion that Apple Pay will negatively affect Bitcoin.

Needless to say, Apple enthusiasts and non-Apple people have radically differing opinions. It reminds me of the old pre-OSX days when Intel/AMD users called Motorola/IBM users Mactards, who in turn called Microsoft Windoze. Nobody called Linux users anything but geeks. 

[jeffhuys]

If you don't want to use the apple ecosystem then it is perhaps not the best choice. You sort of have to go with the flow.

the flow
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looks like the same people keep on buying the next big thing shit Apple spits out

It's easy to sway these kind of results your way. This does not prove anything.

[bitllionaire]

it looks we will have a point of inflection, but I keep thinking we will touch 300 ( And I wish)