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$85K to $90K - 9 (11.3%)
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May 21, 2015, 04:06:04 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland (and traders too).

Once again, not much doing.

I suppose a dollar or two up is better than a buck or two down.

Yawn. Sip.
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May 21, 2015, 04:07:38 PM

looking back at the last 10 days we can clearly see the bubble popping and the first good attempt at catching the resulting knife.

you can see that when the bubble popped at ~266$ their was a big dip in price without much volume ( everyone let the knife fall  )
but now at 80-50$ rang we are seeing HUGE volume spikes when their is any kind of movement up or down.
I think if we are not already at bottom, its not too far down...



up or down boss? :-) *eZ^$$$

up Up UP! topping out at 500 in the coming months... Mass adoption pushing price to >32,000$ in < 2 years

lower volume tells me that speculation is low and we seem to be at equilibrium for Supply/Demand (200-300 $). I anticipate an increase in demand because news/dev of late, this will bring prices up, investors will take notice of poeple actually using bitcoin to cut down remittance cost or wtv... suddenly speculators are all buys and no sells KAFUCKINGBOOM 500 proves to be resistant  which triggers a short lived but painful downturn before the gr8 never ending bull run to 32,000 < 2 years starts off. I expect a the final jump from 5000 to 32,000 to happen seemingly overnight on Xmas 2017, the world will never be the same, fiat world will obviously be dieing as crypto aims to completely take over.

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looking back at the last 10 days we can clearly see the bubble popping and the first good attempt at catching the resulting knife.

you can see that when the bubble popped at ~266$ their was a big dip in price without much volume ( everyone let the knife fall  )
but now at 80-50$ rang we are seeing HUGE volume spikes when their is any kind of movement up or down.
I think if we are not already at bottom, its not too far down...



up or down boss? :-) *eZ^$$$

up Up UP! topping out at 500 in the coming months... Mass adoption pushing price to >32,000$ in < 2 years

lower volume tells me that speculation is low and we seem to be at equilibrium for Supply/Demand (200-300 $). I anticipate an increase in demand because news/dev of late, this will bring prices up, investors will take notice of poeple actually using bitcoin to cut down remittance cost or wtv... suddenly speculators are all buys and no sells KAFUCKINGBOOM 500 proves to be resistant  which triggers a short lived but painful downturn before the gr8 never ending bull run to 32,000 < 2 years starts off. I expect a the final jump from 5000 to 32,000 to happen seemingly overnight on Xmas 2017, the world will never be the same, fiat world will obviously be dieing as crypto aims to completely take over.


... and then I buy a Toyota!  Grin
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looking back at the last 10 days we can clearly see the bubble popping and the first good attempt at catching the resulting knife.

you can see that when the bubble popped at ~266$ their was a big dip in price without much volume ( everyone let the knife fall  )
but now at 80-50$ rang we are seeing HUGE volume spikes when their is any kind of movement up or down.
I think if we are not already at bottom, its not too far down...



up or down boss? :-) *eZ^$$$

up Up UP! topping out at 500 in the coming months... Mass adoption pushing price to >32,000$ in < 2 years

lower volume tells me that speculation is low and we seem to be at equilibrium for Supply/Demand (200-300 $). I anticipate an increase in demand because news/dev of late, this will bring prices up, investors will take notice of poeple actually using bitcoin to cut down remittance cost or wtv... suddenly speculators are all buys and no sells KAFUCKINGBOOM 500 proves to be resistant  which triggers a short lived but painful downturn before the gr8 never ending bull run to 32,000 < 2 years starts off. I expect a the final jump from 5000 to 32,000 to happen seemingly overnight on Xmas 2017, the world will never be the same, fiat world will obviously be dieing as crypto aims to completely take over.


... and then I buy a Toyota!  Grin

theres no sense in buying a lambo when a Toyota is cheap and reliable. save your BTC and pass it on to your grandchildren so they can afford clean Oxygen and live.
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looking back at the last 10 days we can clearly see the bubble popping and the first good attempt at catching the resulting knife.

you can see that when the bubble popped at ~266$ their was a big dip in price without much volume ( everyone let the knife fall  )
but now at 80-50$ rang we are seeing HUGE volume spikes when their is any kind of movement up or down.
I think if we are not already at bottom, its not too far down...



up or down boss? :-) *eZ^$$$

up Up UP! topping out at 500 in the coming months... Mass adoption pushing price to >32,000$ in < 2 years

lower volume tells me that speculation is low and we seem to be at equilibrium for Supply/Demand (200-300 $). I anticipate an increase in demand because news/dev of late, this will bring prices up, investors will take notice of poeple actually using bitcoin to cut down remittance cost or wtv... suddenly speculators are all buys and no sells KAFUCKINGBOOM 500 proves to be resistant  which triggers a short lived but painful downturn before the gr8 never ending bull run to 32,000 < 2 years starts off. I expect a the final jump from 5000 to 32,000 to happen seemingly overnight on Xmas 2017, the world will never be the same, fiat world will obviously be dieing as crypto aims to completely take over.


... and then I buy a Toyota!  Grin

theres no sense in buying a lambo when a Toyota is cheap and reliable. save your BTC and pass it on to your grandchildren so they can afford clean Oxygen and live.
Maybe I'll buy both an Aventador AND a Land Cruiser. I have allready given bitcoin to my family Wink
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Where did you find that picture of me? I thought I was anonymous at this forum!
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May 21, 2015, 04:43:54 PM

We are been invaded by aliens.

Confirmed.

Btc to to jupiter.

Double-confirmed.



moon is not enough

Wtf is thi guy on the left? Man made from gold or psycho gold-tattooed?
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Great article about the blockchain.

http://www.americanbanker.com/bankthink/behind-the-ingenious-security-feature-that-powers-the-blockchain-1074442-1.html
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Some might think that price is gonna stay in a long period of consolidation/sideways like it happened in 2012, but the sudden drastic decrease in volume lately suggests that a big move is coming IMHO. It should be imminent. I'm gonna monitor the trend lines I posted a few days ago and I will long the breakout/short the breakdown.


Arguments for down: decreasing volume since january bottom (trend reversals should have increasing volume and enormous prolonged buying pressure), decreasing and low bid sum (especially considering daily inflation), overall bearish price structure since the $150 bottom, if this bear market behaves like the 2011 one the bubble should deflate almost completely to reach $60-$80 in a few months (which would be the same percentage of retracement of the $32 to 2$ bubble), BTC swaps still atrociously high, the long term support trend lines are being already slowly tested and breached while the resistance ones are barely touched, EW theory counts (ask the EW guys, I do't know much about EW).

Arguments for up: Overall slight seller exhaustion lately, the drops don't have much follow through in this choppiness, signs of accumulation (although we might have already passed or be in distribution already), increased confidence because of good news (nasdaq experimenting with the blockchain and all that shit) lately.


I think the bearish arguments are stronger and technicals are more important than news, but wait for confirmation and a definitive break with volume in either direction.
If despite the decreased volume and signs of a big move coming we just stay sideways, that would be boring AF lol
In that case I'm gonna forget about BTC for a few months and get involved again only when another breakout/breakdown no brainer setup appears.



My 2 satoshis.



As soon as i finished reading the bolded section, the rest of the text suddenly became unreadable. I lol'd, i scroll'd and i continued with my life. Your unintentional comedy brightened my day,

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up we go   Smiley
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Some might think that price is gonna stay in a long period of consolidation/sideways like it happened in 2012, but the sudden drastic decrease in volume lately suggests that a big move is coming IMHO. It should be imminent. I'm gonna monitor the trend lines I posted a few days ago and I will long the breakout/short the breakdown.


Arguments for down: decreasing volume since january bottom (trend reversals should have increasing volume and enormous prolonged buying pressure), decreasing and low bid sum (especially considering daily inflation), overall bearish price structure since the $150 bottom, if this bear market behaves like the 2011 one the bubble should deflate almost completely to reach $60-$80 in a few months (which would be the same percentage of retracement of the $32 to 2$ bubble), BTC swaps still atrociously high, the long term support trend lines are being already slowly tested and breached while the resistance ones are barely touched, EW theory counts (ask the EW guys, I do't know much about EW).

Arguments for up: Overall slight seller exhaustion lately, the drops don't have much follow through in this choppiness, signs of accumulation (although we might have already passed or be in distribution already), increased confidence because of good news (nasdaq experimenting with the blockchain and all that shit) lately.


I think the bearish arguments are stronger and technicals are more important than news, but wait for confirmation and a definitive break with volume in either direction.
If despite the decreased volume and signs of a big move coming we just stay sideways, that would be boring AF lol
In that case I'm gonna forget about BTC for a few months and get involved again only when another breakout/breakdown no brainer setup appears.



My 2 satoshis.



As soon as i finished reading the bolded section, the rest of the text suddenly became unreadable. I lol'd, i scroll'd and i continued with my life. Your unintentional comedy brightened my day,


lol what an arrogant fuck.


Here's a serious answer tho:

Consistent but drastic decreases in volume are usually an indication of a big move coming (either up or down, but relatively violent ones), as showed here (plenty of other examples):





Currently volume gradually and drastically dried up on all exchanges, even chinese ones (note the consistent but drastic decrease):








Here's the volume profile of the long sideways movement in 2012 I was talking about:








My point was: If price is about to experience a long (several months) of sideways because accumulation/distribution like in 2012, that's not the volume we would probably see.




Edit: changed "gradual" with "consistent". What I meant is a decrease in volume with a predictable pace (a clear slope)
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Nice words and charts wanderer. But history rhymes, not repeats.

The volume or bidsum can be anything, but when the price crosses the exponential down trendline I suggest you buy in like the rest of us.
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Nice words and charts wanderer. But history rhymes, not repeats.

The volume or bidsum can be anything, but when the price crosses the exponential down trendline I suggest you buy in like the rest of us.
I have already said that IF that happens (or something else convincing enough) I'm certainly long.
But right now could go either way. I'm just gonna follow the current wherever it goes.
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Ok, so what do you use to know when to buy, hold or sell?

Ufortunately it seems that the price of bitcoin is quite unpredictable. 

It is obvious that the price responds to some news and rumors.  Since 2014 there have been a dozen or so moderately large price events -- steps, spikes and dips 50--100 $/BTC -- that are clearly linked to such media events: by their size and direction, timing, and comments in forums.

Most of those events originated in China, and affected only Chinese traders: the PBoC decrees of Dec/2013, the rumors and anti-rumors in Mar--Apr/2014 about further PBoC restrictions, the closure of bank accounts of Chinese exchanges, and the closure of one or two Exchanges.

There were a couple of moves due to events that affected everybody (Mark's claim of a "bug in the protocol" on 2014-02-10, the first USMS sale in Jun-Jul/2014,  the rumor of  "three billion hedge fund about to trade on OKCoin").

Finally there were few smaller price spikes linked to Western news and rumors, such as  "Microsoft will accept bitcoin", "McDonalds will accept bitcoin on Valentine's day, and the Coinbase "lunar" teaser.

Obviously, none of these events can be predicted in advance,  At best, one could recognize them when they are just starting, a couple of hours before everybody else.  But, even then, it seems impossibel to predict how big the effect will be and when the change will stop or reverse.

Looking at all the history up to 2013, the main price movements can be described surpisingly well by the sum of about 10 overlapping "idealized bubbles" with simple and qualitatively similar shapes.  See Figure 1 in particular. Each of those idealized bubbles has a fast exponential rise that stops suddenly,  followed by a slower exponential decay.   In a couple of cases, it is necessary to add a flat section between the rise and the decay.  Each of those bubbles could be explained as the epidemic diffusion of bitcoin through some new "market", the saturation of that market, and its gradual shrinking. 

The bubble that peaked on Nov/2013 was almost certainly caused by the opening of the "market" of amateur commodity speculators in Mainland China, a demand that was primarily served by Huobi and OKCoin, and perhaps by BTC-China.

There was a sudden rise starting around 2014-05-20, from ~450 $/Ƀ to ~680, that I cannot connect to any event.  But that rise can be well described by another small bubble, peaking in early Jun/214.  Since the decay rate of that mini-bubble seems to mtch that of the Nov/2013 bubble, peraps it is some new segment of the Chinese market, or just a temporary recovery of the same market.

The bubble that peaked in Apr/2013 may have been due to Chinese demand too, perhaps limited to Shanghai and/or Hong Kong, served by BTC-China and Bitfinex.

I do not know what "markets" could have been resposible for the previous bubbles (I only started following the bitcoin scene only in late 2013). 

According to that model, the price now is still dominated by the tail (decay) of the Nov/2013 bubble and of the Jun/2014 mini-bubble, with smaller ups-and-downs due to news and rumors.  (See  Figure 7 for a model that includes the latter.)

As for predicitions, all that the model can say is that, if there are no new bubbles, the price will probably continue decaying exponentially, by the rate that has prevailed since Feb/2014.  However, the bubbles do not seem to follow any pattern; as they shouldn't, if they are due to separate markets being opened.  Moreover, the fast exponential rise means that each new bubble cannot be detected until it is already well underway; and its peak cannot be detected until it has clearly happened.   Which would explain why no one seems able to predict the price, even in the short term.
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