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January 17, 2016, 02:46:27 PM

The run-up from 360 to 380 looked somewhat weird, have a feeling its not going to last that long and 350 will be retested again. Just seems way to easy for now.

Got the same impression here but looking closely my feeling is we could breach 400$ soon. No peace for the wicked as they say in English  Wink
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January 17, 2016, 03:12:21 PM

The run-up from 360 to 380 looked somewhat weird, have a feeling its not going to last that long and 350 will be retested again. Just seems way to easy for now.

i think we will comeback to $390 again like the highest price in this day  Roll Eyes
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January 17, 2016, 03:22:09 PM

Hearn will be like a ticking time-bomb waiting to go off at R3C ... he's bitcoin's biggest asset right now. Can you imagine that arrogant little snipe not getting his way inside a corporate IT project, just waiting to slip the knife in or totally blow-up the project in a PR nightmare intended to destroy its credibility??

From his LinkedIn profile: "senior software engineer and tech lead at Google, where I worked for about 7.5 years on Maps/Earth, Gmail anti spam, signup abuse and login security"

From Gavin's profile: "Software Engineer - Silicon Graphics (SGI) 1988 – 1996 (8 years)"

By a strange coincidence, Gavin and Mike seem to be the only core devs with significant *professional*  software development experience...

I'd like to know a lot more about how the NYTimes journalist, Nathaniel Popper who wrote the Digital Gold fiction, was able to time the release of his Hearn hit piece exactly for R3C's benefit at the washington hearing?

Why do you think that there was any particular interest for R3 to do so?

There is some poetic justice in the price tanking because of Mike's rage-quit and the block size war.  There would have been no war and no rage-quit, if some segment of the community had not sided with Blockstream out of stupid greed -- because they imagined that Blockstream's plan would make the price of bitcoin go up, even though it meant giving up the very goal that motivated Satoshi to create it,and the only thing that justifies its existence.
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January 17, 2016, 03:35:34 PM


It's some pretty cold turkey.  Undecided

That's England, not Turkey.
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There is some poetic justice in the price tanking because of Mike's rage-quit and the block size war.  There would have been no war and no rage-quit, if some segment of the community had not sided with Blockstream out of stupid greed -- because they imagined that Blockstream's plan would make the price of bitcoin go up, even though it meant giving up the very goal that motivated Satoshi to create it,and the only thing that justifies its existence.

Who cares about blockstream? And get we get pass this satoshi appeal to autority now? unless you are satoshi maybe?

As iCEBREAKER observed, Your big statist lie is that "Bitcoin was created to replace commercial banking, not central banking (as if the Genesis Text was about $2 ATM fees instead of TBTF bailouts)."

There is no ph0rk forthcoming, only desperate inflative reddit minions leapfrogging from ph0rk to ph0rk.
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Is Bitcoin Breaking Up?

By PAUL VIGNA
Jan. 17, 2016 10:28 a.m. ET


A prominent bitcoin developer has labeled the currency a failed experiment, widening the rift over an arcane but critical technical issue that has divided the community for nearly a year.

“The fundamentals are broken, and whatever happens to the price in the short term, the long-term trend should probably be downwards,” developer Mike Hearn wrote on the blogging platform Medium. “I will no longer be taking part in bitcoin development...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/is-bitcoin-breaking-up-1453044493

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January 17, 2016, 04:12:30 PM


Who cares about blockstream?

God Lord, Now they are throwing blockstream under the bus!!  Bite the hand that feeds much?   Grin
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January 17, 2016, 04:56:40 PM
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And if Satoshi's warning is true that in case of a successful fork he'll be forced to declare Bitcoin a failure (I would probably disassociate my name as well after a hostile takeover and admit defeat) then we have a real problem ahead of us.

This is completely false and a misinterpretation even of the fake Satoshi post.  You're typing flat out propaganda.

The longest chain wins, and if the 2MB fork has something like 80%+ hash power, it is by definition YOU that are the hostile fork because you're in the minority of consensus, while the 2MB is the real chain.  Having access to a github repo does not make you dictator of Bitcoin.  Anyone is allowed to code up whatever changes they want and have miners vote for it.  If they could not do this, Bitcoin would be centralized and worth 0.

You can type a million words, but all posts by you people can be summarized as "I believe 4 people with access to a certain github should be dictators of Bitcoin".  Sorry, but no, that would make Bitcoin worth nothing if that was the case.  World governments would LOVE centralized development as well.  They would just take someone like Luke Jr and

A)  Give him a large check or BFL miner to bribe him.  

or

B) Beat the hell out of him till he does whatever they want or threaten to magically "discover" he's the new Silk Road mastermind.

Since pools come and go, centralized development is an even bigger attack vector than the pools are.
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January 17, 2016, 05:16:25 PM

There is some poetic justice in the price tanking because of Mike's rage-quit and the block size war.  There would have been no war and no rage-quit, if some segment of the community had not sided with Blockstream out of stupid greed -- because they imagined that Blockstream's plan would make the price of bitcoin go up, even though it meant giving up the very goal that motivated Satoshi to create it,and the only thing that justifies its existence.

NEWSFLASH: JS admits Bitcoin's existence is justified. Deep, informed discussion of strengths and weaknesses in the ecosystem proceeds unabated.

Fintech revolution is on.

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January 17, 2016, 05:16:53 PM

And if Satoshi's warning is true that in case of a successful fork he'll be forced to declare Bitcoin a failure (I would probably disassociate my name as well after a hostile takeover and admit defeat) then we have a real problem ahead of us.

This is completely false and a misinterpretation even of the fake Satoshi post.  You're typing flat out propaganda.

You are stating assumptions as facts and assumption is the mother of all fuckups. You do not know whether it is fake or real and therefore ignore serious risks involved.

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The longest chain wins

That's more about the technicalities of a normal fork-split situation rather than a social-engineered takeover attempt.

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You can type a million words, but all posts by you people can be summarized as "I believe 4 people with access to a certain github should be dictators of Bitcoin".

You can summarize it as follows: I believe the future of bitcoin is in better hands with the core devs. They've done a good job over the years and the alternative is not attractive.

There is nothing that makes me believe that "classic" is better in any way than core.

Classic lacks manpower and proven ability to maintain and evolve bitcoin, plus their motives and strategies are suspect because they are not based on technically sound arguments. Additionally they are not presenting any scaling solution (unlike the core people), rather they are just tampering a constant with known restrictions and compromises which gets us nowhere in the long run. Plus they are ruthless in the way they are trying their power grab, even by destroying confidence and creating two separate currencies - which, as a precedent, is dangerous for any future point of disagreement. It's a power grab, camouflaged as a block size upgrade under a false pretext of urgency.

I don't like any of this shit and I don't trust them at all.
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January 17, 2016, 05:26:01 PM

This is completely false and a misinterpretation even of the fake Satoshi post.  You're typing flat out propaganda.

You are stating assumptions as facts and assumption is the mother of all fuckups. You do not know whether it is fake or real and therefore ignore serious risks involved.

Support Classic.  If you do not, Bitcoin will die and you will get rabies.  By the way, it is I, the real satoshi.

You do not know whether it this is fake or real and therefore ignore serious risks involved.


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That's more about the technicalities of a normal fork-split situation rather than a social-engineered takeover attempt.

You're using double standards acting like Blockstream pretending they should have dictatorship over Bitcoin isn't a social engineer takeover attempt itself.  Devs don't control Bitcoin.  Devs are politicians and we don't have a one party system.  If we did, Bitcoin would be centralized and worthless.  Whoever wants to rage quit because they don't get to be dictator and do everything their way, let them.  

I'm also tired of people pretending the Lightning Network is actually a sure thing.  I have my doubts about how it will work in the real world, and people like Anonymint claim it won't work at all.  Maybe it will, but people aren't very big into just trusting some group of people that they will maybe someday in the future increase scalability while price could either stagnate or go down until that happens.  Segwit is too little, too late, and LN is too far off.  There has to be some kind of bandaid for investors in the meanwhile until LN can be fully released and evaluated.

And please, don't even pull the "price doesn't matter" bullshit lol.  Bitcoin is a currency, if one of your main development goals isn't to increase it's network effect and value, then you're probably doing it wrong.  A currency is a consensus mechanism between individuals in lieu of barter.  In order to fulfill that goal, the largest number of people possible have to be holders or it's either harder for them to do business, or they can't do business at all.  This means sane Bitcoin development has to constantly be trying to expand capacity to fit more users.  Unless capacity is already high enough for world reserve currency, any stagnation of capacity increase while users are demanding more will be viewed negatively by the market.

There's also no such thing as "spam".  If you think spam exists, it means minimum transaction fee is not set high enough.  Zero fee transactions should not exist in the first place.
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January 17, 2016, 05:46:49 PM

That's more about the technicalities of a normal fork-split situation rather than a social-engineered takeover attempt.

You're using double standards acting like Blockstream pretending they should have dictatorship over Bitcoin isn't a social engineer takeover attempt itself.  Devs don't control Bitcoin.  Devs are politicians and we don't have a one party system.  If we did, Bitcoin would be centralized and worthless.  Whoever wants to rage quit because they don't get to be dictator and do everything their way, let them.

If you don't like how bitcoin is you create an altcoin. There is no dictatorship involved. You can change from a single parameter to every parameter.

If you want to change bitcoin itself there is the strong possibility that other developers might disagree if you propose something that is not optimal. Since you can't have multiple implementations for every single point of disagreement (multiple forks/currencies as a result / corrosive to trust in the currency) it is logical to first find a consensus. Is that a "dictatorship"?
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January 17, 2016, 05:49:41 PM

If you don't like how bitcoin is you create an altcoin. There is no dictatorship involved.

Correct.  Anything that's not the longest chain is an altcoin.  Everything about Byzantine solutions involves keyword TEMPORARY consensus.  What was once the main chain today is an altcoin tomorrow because it's not the consensus anymore.
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January 17, 2016, 05:52:34 PM

And get we get pass this satoshi appeal to autority now?  As iCEBREAKER observed, Your big statist lie is that "Bitcoin was created to replace commercial banking, not central banking."

Is a car a good way to cross the Atlantic?  By plugging some holes and attaching some empty tanks at the bottom, a car may perhaps be made to float well enough to do it.  But it will never be as good for that task as a boat.  The reason is that, when the car was designed, every detail was chosen with one purpose in mind: travel on roads.  If the purpose had been to travel across the ocean, almost every detail would have been different -- as one can see by comparing the car to any boat.

The point is: to tell whether some artifact is a good choice for some purpose, it is worth checking what purpose it was designed for.  Sometimes a thing developed for one goal turns out to be very good, or even optimal, for some other goal; but those occasions are very rare.  Almost always, changing the purpose requires a complete redesign, starting from a blank page.

Bitcoin was not created to replace commercial banking or credit cards: it says that on the very first paragraph of the whitepaper.  It was not created to replace central banking either.  Nor to be a store of value, a high-value settlement system, a micropayment system, a lucrative investment, a tool for illegal trade, etc.. In fact, its goal was not even to create a new currency

As it says everywhere on the paper, starting with the title, Satoshi s goal was to create

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an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party

The bitcoin protocol is the best solution that Satoshi found to accomplish that goal.  All its parts were chosen with that goal in mind.  If the goal had been something else, the design would have been different.  Or he may not have bothered to create it at all: since there were already pretty good solutions for those other goals, but not for that particular one.

The new currency was created only because Satoshi (and everybody else) did not know how to achieve that goal with existing currencies. 

Understanding the original goal helps one see that bitcoin is actually terribly inadequate for most of the other purposes.  In particular: 

Bitcoin is not a viable replacement for commercial banking, because it is too expensive, slow, unsafe, complicated -- and lacks many features that bank customers want, like ability to reverse payments, customer assistance, credit, deposit insurance, etc..

And its capacity is too limited: it is OK for the few legal payments where a trusted intermediary is not available or really undesirable -- which a normal person may need a couple times per year, maybe.  It is totally insufficient for millions of people using it for all their payments (or, worse, for micropayments).  Perhaps that much volume could be handled by off-chain solutions or some "overlay network" -- but then there is no reason to use bitcoin: banks and credit cards are already great "off-chain" solutions.

If Bitcoin cannot replace commercial banking, much less all payments with national currencies, then it cannot replace central banking either.

Bitcoin is not a viable a longterm store of value, because it has no mechanism to stabilize its value.  (Even if it were truly scarce -- which it isn't -- there are plenty of things that are just as scarce but totally worthless.)

For its stated goal, it did not need such mechanism. All it needed was that the value would remain almost stable over a few days, between earning some coins and spending them in another payment. And its very use as a currency would endow it with some value, that would vary only slowly because usage would vary only slowly.

(Satoshi at one point refers to an hypothetical increase in usage of 20% per year as "crazy".  If it had increased at that "crazy" rate, and bitcoin had not been turned into a pyramid investment schema, the price today should be less than 0.50 USD/BTC.)

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as if the Genesis Text was about $2 ATM fees instead of TBTF bailouts

The most hilarious thing in the "bitcoin space" may be the belief that Satoshi was a libertarian and wanted to destroy banks, based entirely on that single headline in the genesis block. 

But the headline had a specific technical purpose, namely to prove that he had not been doing any pre-mining.  That purpose required it to be a headline of a major paper published on that same day.  So, which is less likely: that he patiently delayed the launch of bitcoin until a vaguely relevant headline came up; or that he rushed to launch the system when he saw that vaguely relevant headline on his newspaper? 

Or perhaps he just picked up the newspaper that he had on his desk, and typed in its main headline?

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unless you are satoshi maybe?

Let me say only that I am neither Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto nor Craig Steven Wright.  Wink
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January 17, 2016, 05:59:24 PM

If you don't like how bitcoin is you create an altcoin. There is no dictatorship involved.

Correct.  Anything that's not the longest chain is an altcoin.  Everything about Byzantine solutions involves keyword TEMPORARY consensus.  What was once the main chain today is an altcoin tomorrow because it's not the consensus anymore.

In that sense, yes. But that doesn't mean just because you are a mining majority that you are the "right" coin. For example if hackers get control of two mining pools with 60% mining power and start mining blocks with million new coins out of thin air, people, exchanges, miners etc, can select the old chain - and for all intents and purposes it will be considered the legitimate chain and not the "altcoin".
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