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[Elwar]

That seasteading thing will be an interesting experiment about micro self-ruling.

If people really intends it to live there (instead of just as an excuse for avoiding/reducing taxes elsewhere) it will probably show that most of the problems/fight will come from disagreements on local governance between its members than from any external entity.

I think just about any government system will work with a small amount of people that are there voluntarily and know what they're getting into. The key being the ease of leaving if you don't like it.

It certainly won't. Communism doesn't work, for example.

It works if everyone agrees to it.

Communes for example. Early Christianity was communist.

Everyone doesn't. That's why it can never work.

But communes exist today. Are you going to go tell them that they don't work?

Yes! Did I stutter or something?

It has to work on a national scale, or it doesn't ultimately matter. Except insofar as a loner in a hut on the top of a remote mountain matters.

Like I said, a small amount of people.

[Ibian]

That seasteading thing will be an interesting experiment about micro self-ruling.

If people really intends it to live there (instead of just as an excuse for avoiding/reducing taxes elsewhere) it will probably show that most of the problems/fight will come from disagreements on local governance between its members than from any external entity.

I think just about any government system will work with a small amount of people that are there voluntarily and know what they're getting into. The key being the ease of leaving if you don't like it.

It certainly won't. Communism doesn't work, for example.

It works if everyone agrees to it.

Communes for example. Early Christianity was communist.

Everyone doesn't. That's why it can never work.

But communes exist today. Are you going to go tell them that they don't work?

Yes! Did I stutter or something?

It has to work on a national scale, or it doesn't ultimately matter. Except insofar as a loner in a hut on the top of a remote mountain matters.

Like I said, a small amount of people.

And I repeat my query: What's the vision?

[Ludwig Von]

That seasteading thing will be an interesting experiment about micro self-ruling.

If people really intends it to live there (instead of just as an excuse for avoiding/reducing taxes elsewhere) it will probably show that most of the problems/fight will come from disagreements on local governance between its members than from any external entity.

I think just about any government system will work with a small amount of people that are there voluntarily and know what they're getting into. The key being the ease of leaving if you don't like it.

It certainly won't. Communism doesn't work, for example.

It works if everyone agrees to it.

Communes for example. Early Christianity was communist.

Everyone doesn't. That's why it can never work.

But communes exist today. Are you going to go tell them that they don't work?

Yes! Did I stutter or something?

It has to work on a national scale, or it doesn't ultimately matter. Except insofar as a loner in a hut on the top of a remote mountain matters.

The notion of a "Nation state" is the biggest ennemy of all self regulating P2P community organizing concepts. No matter what their ideological or religeous convinctions are.

[Ibian]

That seasteading thing will be an interesting experiment about micro self-ruling.

If people really intends it to live there (instead of just as an excuse for avoiding/reducing taxes elsewhere) it will probably show that most of the problems/fight will come from disagreements on local governance between its members than from any external entity.

I think just about any government system will work with a small amount of people that are there voluntarily and know what they're getting into. The key being the ease of leaving if you don't like it.

It certainly won't. Communism doesn't work, for example.

It works if everyone agrees to it.

Communes for example. Early Christianity was communist.

Everyone doesn't. That's why it can never work.

But communes exist today. Are you going to go tell them that they don't work?

Yes! Did I stutter or something?

It has to work on a national scale, or it doesn't ultimately matter. Except insofar as a loner in a hut on the top of a remote mountain matters.

The notion of a "Nation state" is the biggest ennemy of all self regulating P2P community organizing concepts. No matter what their ideological or religeous convinctions are.

The biggest organized group of armed people win. That's a state. You can't be free if you live at someone elses mercy, so unless the goal is to find a system that works on a large scale it's just an expensive hobby. Like boating, only a little bigger.

[Elwar]

And I repeat my query: What's the vision?

Just a few people living on houseboats. Nothing to concern yourself with.

[Ibian]

And I repeat my query: What's the vision?

Just a few people living on houseboats. Nothing to concern yourself with.

That's a shame. If there was a worthwhile vision you would not have anything against sharing it. On the contrary. Oh well.

[Meuh6879]

not 10k yet?? whats the hold up?

Sell the news ... be prepare for 2018.

[Meuh6879]

What is your definition of freedom?

no tax bills.

[600watt]

^When that first refugee gets turned away, the ugly face of future-states will be staring you right in the face.

Your preconceived notions of something in such a primitive stage is lovely. Takes me to the way way back machine of the early days of Bitcoin.

And like Bitcoin, seasteading will be started by libertarians and taken over by the same people that want it regulated and watered down.

projects like this always get the nay-sayers to do their thing. if mankind had listened to the nay-sayers only, we would be still hunting deer in the forests. I wish you luck and energy.

[vroom]

with the next +10% we will break 10k coming week. 12k by end of 2017 and 60k-100k by end of 2018 sounds reasonable. time to start panic buying.

and what about "New Carolina" as name for the seasteading?

[Rosewater Foundation]

^When that first refugee gets turned away, the ugly face of future-states will be staring you right in the face.

Your preconceived notions of something in such a primitive stage is lovely. Takes me to the way way back machine of the early days of Bitcoin.

And like Bitcoin, seasteading will be started by libertarians and taken over by the same people that want it regulated and watered down.

projects like this always get the nay-sayers to do their thing. if mankind had listened to the nay-sayers only, we would be still hunting deer in the forests. I wish you luck and energy.

not saying it cant be done. saying an off-shore gated community for the transnational rich isn't interesting
its obscene
 

[gembitz]

^When that first refugee gets turned away, the ugly face of future-states will be staring you right in the face.

Your preconceived notions of something in such a primitive stage is lovely. Takes me to the way way back machine of the early days of Bitcoin.

And like Bitcoin, seasteading will be started by libertarians and taken over by the same people that want it regulated and watered down.

projects like this always get the nay-sayers to do their thing. if mankind had listened to the nay-sayers only, we would be still hunting deer in the forests. I wish you luck and energy.

not saying it cant be done. saying an off-shore gated community for the transnational rich isn't interesting
its obscene
 

bitcoin voodoo treasure island off the coast of jamaica sounds more legit :-D weeee

[xhomerx10]

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Well, I can't compete with that..I am thinking of end of this year I will retire....(with crypto will work great...w/o crypto still OK) as such I can (w/o crypto) live in the fabulous
lifestyle of 35k I have in the past...whee......

with crypto maybe a 75K a year lifestyle is possible

however, I'm like an old farmer with millions in land that he never sells...just putters on the farm still....wtf am I gonna do if I retire? (or gasp ...touch crypto!!!! the horror!) so not sure yet...end of this year

or

March of 2018 when I turn 63. (This retire is w/o taking soc security which I could stall on till I'm 66 yrs and 3 months)

yeh...options ..pull the trigger or not...options.....

edit: to clarify living off mining last 5 months...all the job income goes into 401k/health insurance/H.S.A/extra into w-4/etc.....after all that is set aside tax free I get $24.11 every 2
weeks....so only working 3 days a week on the job now (11hr shifts ....3 days a week...still considered full time for above benifits..have 4 days off a week in a row)

so anyway, semi-retired.....anyway....but yeah again when to pull the trigger complete is the question

 You're probably the most down-to-earth person in this thread.  You should do the maintenance on that house of yours before you retire though.  As much as you don't feel like doing it now, it likely wont get any easier to do as you get older.

[600watt]

^When that first refugee gets turned away, the ugly face of future-states will be staring you right in the face.

Your preconceived notions of something in such a primitive stage is lovely. Takes me to the way way back machine of the early days of Bitcoin.

And like Bitcoin, seasteading will be started by libertarians and taken over by the same people that want it regulated and watered down.

projects like this always get the nay-sayers to do their thing. if mankind had listened to the nay-sayers only, we would be still hunting deer in the forests. I wish you luck and energy.

not saying it cant be done. saying an off-shore gated community for the transnational rich isn't interesting
its obscene
 

ok, that is not nay-saying. I was quoting you as an example, but you are right, your posts are not a good example.
I doubt that getting away from poor people is the motivation of the sea guys. they want to get away from bullying nation states bureaucracy.

I hope satoshi nakamoto had not "only" a technical vision. I hope he had a vision for mankind as a whole. maybe he will finance a colony on the moon or mars with his stash.  

 

[Phil_S]

Come on, Bitstamp, do it already... do it!

[Torque]

^When that first refugee gets turned away, the ugly face of future-states will be staring you right in the face.

Your preconceived notions of something in such a primitive stage is lovely. Takes me to the way way back machine of the early days of Bitcoin.

And like Bitcoin, seasteading will be started by libertarians and taken over by the same people that want it regulated and watered down.

projects like this always get the nay-sayers to do their thing. if mankind had listened to the nay-sayers only, we would be still hunting deer in the forests. I wish you luck and energy.

not saying it cant be done. saying an off-shore gated community for the transnational rich isn't interesting
its obscene
 

ok, that is not nay-saying. I was quoting you as an example, but you are right, your posts are not a good example.
I doubt that getting away from poor people is the motivation of the sea guys. they want to get away from bullying nation states bureaucracy.

I hope satoshi nakamoto had not "only" a technical vision. I hope he had a vision for mankind as a whole. maybe he will finance a colony on the moon or mars with his stash.  

 

Being a Libertarian, I wish Elwar and anyone else who wants to do Seasteading the best of luck and success. I say go for it. Don't let others tell you what is and isn't possible.

But that being said... the world is full of talkers. I see this all the time with millennials and other idealists (young or old). Willing to sit around and expound for hours, days, years about what they are going to do, or what they think will work, but never putting forth the effort and hard work to actually doing it.

Talk is cheap. It's easy to talk and romanticize about what you are going to do. But the doing is the actual hard part. The upfront planning and mega investment. The million and one decisions that have to be made. The years and years of hard work and effort. That's the "walking the walk" part. Not many people these days that will put their money (and hard work) where their mouth is.

You can't really defend an idea that you think theoretically will work. You are just romanticizing. You have to live it first.

[Wekkel]

with the next +10% we will break 10k coming week. 12k by end of 2017 and 60k-100k by end of 2018 sounds reasonable.

Yes, it will become interesting once price doubles in a week.

[Ibian]

with the next +10% we will break 10k coming week. 12k by end of 2017 and 60k-100k by end of 2018 sounds reasonable.

Yes, it will become interesting once price doubles in a week.

You keep saying that, even at this point?

[realsteelboy]

Happy 9k everyone. 

[fragout]