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December 16, 2017, 10:29:58 AM



Lots of trolling going on, currently,  here, in the WO.. 

How many pages of the WO do I read about Bcash,  various other alts, pms and other distracting (and not even fun) nonsense?


Maybe I read 20 interesting and relevant in the past 5 pages, perhaps?

Desperation?

Where is BJA?

I thought that PeterR would be coming back to spout his nonsense?

how about proudhound coming in to tell us that we are at the top?

Probably proudhound is the least annoying, because at least he is just sticking with the traditional bitcoin is dead claims rather than pumping some kind of alt coin nonsense of BIG blocker repetition bullshit?
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December 16, 2017, 10:31:20 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitstamp/new/

Should we be worried about bitstamp?
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December 16, 2017, 10:35:17 AM

The volume is rather low right now.
Panic over? Can we go up again? Will we go down again?

I heard the next set of bitcoin futures will allow to short.
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December 16, 2017, 10:35:42 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitstamp/new/

Should we be worried about bitstamp?
The reddit page doesn't look overly positive - hopefully its just a staffing issue - do they publish the addresses to their hot/cold storage?
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December 16, 2017, 10:41:22 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitstamp/new/

Should we be worried about bitstamp?
The reddit page doesn't look overly positive - hopefully its just a staffing issue - do they publish the addresses to their hot/cold storage?

I moved my main operations from Kraken to Stamp, because of the interface problems there, seems like going from a wet place to a rainy one.
And my lady opened a Stamp account 5 days ago and until now no confirmation of her verification data...
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December 16, 2017, 10:49:53 AM
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BTC ATH @ Kraken!
15,000 €

To the Moon and BTCeyond!
Enjoy!

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December 16, 2017, 10:57:30 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitstamp/new/

Should we be worried about bitstamp?

I am, I have a deposit that was sent to them on the 8th and still hasn't arrived yet. I've had a support ticket open for almost 3 days now, and they have not answered that. I've posted my issue on reddit and heard nothing.

I don't know what to make of it but I am getting somewhat concerned.
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December 16, 2017, 11:04:31 AM

15 000 Euros in Europa !

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dig it

So after the Moon, destination Europa ?

FWIW, "exact dimensions unknown" describes bitcoin accurately.

It's probably the most interesting moon in the solar system. The oceans of Europa are bigger than ours.

there are probably some evil squids down there
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December 16, 2017, 11:05:31 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitstamp/new/

Should we be worried about bitstamp?

I am, I have a deposit that was sent to them on the 8th and still hasn't arrived yet. I've had a support ticket open for almost 3 days now, and they have not answered that. I've posted my issue on reddit and heard nothing.

I don't know what to make of it but I am getting somewhat concerned.

Taking on more users than they can properly serve. There ought to be an option to accelerate tickets. Replace by fee customer service.
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December 16, 2017, 11:05:45 AM

On the coindesk index the price is hammering aggressively at 17900 from the upside. The last hour of the 1 day graph looks like a sledgehammer bouncing from a metal door.
Interesting.
By the way, what do you people make of the current volume? 10B feels pretty small
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December 16, 2017, 11:06:21 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitstamp/new/

Should we be worried about bitstamp?
The reddit page doesn't look overly positive - hopefully its just a staffing issue - do they publish the addresses to their hot/cold storage?

There will be a drama at some point to burst the bubble.
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December 16, 2017, 11:08:30 AM

one that can scale right now to peak-time VISA levels, by design.

Y'all realizer yer fabled LN can't scale to Visa levels without a huge block size increase, right?

I can't prove to you that it can, but I believe that it is several orders of magnitude better than a mere block size increase.

A block size increase is equivalent to enlarging a steam engine in the hope that it will take you to the moon, when all you really need is a rocket engine. It's not about size, it's about technology.
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December 16, 2017, 11:19:29 AM

what do you people make

Sweet memes, mostly. Cool

To wit:

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It's not about size



something is wrong, kraken is working quite well now
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December 16, 2017, 11:36:11 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitstamp/new/

Should we be worried about bitstamp?

I am, I have a deposit that was sent to them on the 8th and still hasn't arrived yet. I've had a support ticket open for almost 3 days now, and they have not answered that. I've posted my issue on reddit and heard nothing.

I don't know what to make of it but I am getting somewhat concerned.

Taking on more users than they can properly serve. There ought to be an option to accelerate tickets. Replace by fee customer service.

I hope that is the case, someone else I know had there money go through pretty quick, so I wasn't overly worried. But, no answers from support or on reddit has me concerned.
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December 16, 2017, 11:40:05 AM

one that can scale right now to peak-time VISA levels, by design.

Y'all realizer yer fabled LN can't scale to Visa levels without a huge block size increase, right?

I can't prove to you that it can, but I believe that it is several orders of magnitude better than a mere block size increase.
It can't, but it is still a huge advancement technology-wise.  

I am guessing there will be a range of options developed, going from more decentralized to less decentralized, with different trade-offs (different levels of transactional cost, convenience of use, privacy, security, level of control over funds...).  Now that the userbase is larger and the fee situation is getting more precarious, we should definitely see businesses get on top of this.

Most people today are fine with keeping their money in the bank, so while we definitely should strive to do better, just using bitcoin bank accounts would already be an improvement over the current situation.
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December 16, 2017, 11:41:27 AM

one that can scale right now to peak-time VISA levels, by design.

Y'all realizer yer fabled LN can't scale to Visa levels without a huge block size increase, right?

I can't prove to you that it can, but I believe that it is several orders of magnitude better than a mere block size increase.

A block size increase is equivalent to enlarging a steam engine in the hope that it will take you to the moon, when all you really need is a rocket engine. It's not about size, it's about technology.

There are even more things about the LN. I think, besides the transaction capacity increase, the incentive to run full nodes is the most important. LN seems to provide a monetary incentive to run full bitcoin nodes. By now that is a service that

A) does not interest miners, as it is software and miners are all hardware
B) has no monetary compensation

LN seems to be able to run alongside a full node with minimal additional effort while alowing the node operator to collect some sort of fees or provide services.

So, full nodes are a basic necessety for bitcoin to function properly, but have no monetary incentive. The network has to rely on the goodwill of people to function. This is not sustainable.
So, the whole thing is not only about increasing transaction capacity, but building a system that works on all levels by design. Which neither bitcoin nor bcash currently do.

And on other news, LN acts as a multiplier to transaction capacity on the scale of times 1000 and more.
So, core has a plan and it is a good one. Segwit optimized transactions, effectively doubling block capacity, LN will add another times 1000 multiplier and when all of that is in place, the next step is to increase the block size.

Add 1 MB to Bcash and you have a transaction limit increase of 7 tx per second.
Add 1 MB to Bitcoin with all optimizations in place and you have an increase of 14000 tx per second (7 * 2 * 1000).
So, Bcash needs to have 2GB blocks to achieve the same tx capacity as a fully operational death star bitcoin has.

And on top:
Bcash still has no monetary incentive to run a full node besides goodwill. This has no long term sustainability.

P.S.:
Yes, having a block size increase would have been nice in the short term, but doing a hard fork on bitcoin for something that is no more than a band aid on a leaking high pressure valve is utter nonsense. It might help for a moment, but the gain doesn't justify the risks.
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December 16, 2017, 11:49:55 AM
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December 16, 2017, 11:57:02 AM

15 000 Euros in Europa !

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dig it

So after the Moon, destination Europa ?

FWIW, "exact dimensions unknown" describes bitcoin accurately.

It's probably the most interesting moon in the solar system. The oceans of Europa are bigger than ours.

"Chaos terrain" is also a good description.
Personally, I'm a big fan of Titan. It has lakes and rivers, up on the surface, not deep down below!
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December 16, 2017, 12:05:27 PM

except it's not water  Smiley

big walls on ltc kraken
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