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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 2 (3.2%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (1.6%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (3.2%)
$85K to $90K - 7 (11.3%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (19.4%)
$95K to $100K - 10 (16.1%)
>$100K - 28 (45.2%)
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December 16, 2017, 11:40:05 AM

one that can scale right now to peak-time VISA levels, by design.

Y'all realizer yer fabled LN can't scale to Visa levels without a huge block size increase, right?

I can't prove to you that it can, but I believe that it is several orders of magnitude better than a mere block size increase.
It can't, but it is still a huge advancement technology-wise.  

I am guessing there will be a range of options developed, going from more decentralized to less decentralized, with different trade-offs (different levels of transactional cost, convenience of use, privacy, security, level of control over funds...).  Now that the userbase is larger and the fee situation is getting more precarious, we should definitely see businesses get on top of this.

Most people today are fine with keeping their money in the bank, so while we definitely should strive to do better, just using bitcoin bank accounts would already be an improvement over the current situation.
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December 16, 2017, 11:41:27 AM

one that can scale right now to peak-time VISA levels, by design.

Y'all realizer yer fabled LN can't scale to Visa levels without a huge block size increase, right?

I can't prove to you that it can, but I believe that it is several orders of magnitude better than a mere block size increase.

A block size increase is equivalent to enlarging a steam engine in the hope that it will take you to the moon, when all you really need is a rocket engine. It's not about size, it's about technology.

There are even more things about the LN. I think, besides the transaction capacity increase, the incentive to run full nodes is the most important. LN seems to provide a monetary incentive to run full bitcoin nodes. By now that is a service that

A) does not interest miners, as it is software and miners are all hardware
B) has no monetary compensation

LN seems to be able to run alongside a full node with minimal additional effort while alowing the node operator to collect some sort of fees or provide services.

So, full nodes are a basic necessety for bitcoin to function properly, but have no monetary incentive. The network has to rely on the goodwill of people to function. This is not sustainable.
So, the whole thing is not only about increasing transaction capacity, but building a system that works on all levels by design. Which neither bitcoin nor bcash currently do.

And on other news, LN acts as a multiplier to transaction capacity on the scale of times 1000 and more.
So, core has a plan and it is a good one. Segwit optimized transactions, effectively doubling block capacity, LN will add another times 1000 multiplier and when all of that is in place, the next step is to increase the block size.

Add 1 MB to Bcash and you have a transaction limit increase of 7 tx per second.
Add 1 MB to Bitcoin with all optimizations in place and you have an increase of 14000 tx per second (7 * 2 * 1000).
So, Bcash needs to have 2GB blocks to achieve the same tx capacity as a fully operational death star bitcoin has.

And on top:
Bcash still has no monetary incentive to run a full node besides goodwill. This has no long term sustainability.

P.S.:
Yes, having a block size increase would have been nice in the short term, but doing a hard fork on bitcoin for something that is no more than a band aid on a leaking high pressure valve is utter nonsense. It might help for a moment, but the gain doesn't justify the risks.
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December 16, 2017, 11:49:55 AM
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Here we go.gif
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December 16, 2017, 11:57:02 AM

15 000 Euros in Europa !

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dig it

So after the Moon, destination Europa ?

FWIW, "exact dimensions unknown" describes bitcoin accurately.

It's probably the most interesting moon in the solar system. The oceans of Europa are bigger than ours.

"Chaos terrain" is also a good description.
Personally, I'm a big fan of Titan. It has lakes and rivers, up on the surface, not deep down below!
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December 16, 2017, 12:05:27 PM

except it's not water  Smiley

big walls on ltc kraken
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December 16, 2017, 12:07:31 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitstamp/new/

Should we be worried about bitstamp?

I am, I have a deposit that was sent to them on the 8th and still hasn't arrived yet. I've had a support ticket open for almost 3 days now, and they have not answered that. I've posted my issue on reddit and heard nothing.

I don't know what to make of it but I am getting somewhat concerned.

Taking on more users than they can properly serve. There ought to be an option to accelerate tickets. Replace by fee customer service.

I hope that is the case, someone else I know had there money go through pretty quick, so I wasn't overly worried. But, no answers from support or on reddit has me concerned.

And on Stamp, 15K€ looks a big wall, Kraken went over it, what is unseen in long time... .
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December 16, 2017, 12:10:05 PM

50 million more Tethers printed. Ha! Pump it!

https://omniexplorer.info/lookupadd.aspx?address=3MbYQMMmSkC3AgWkj9FMo5LsPTW1zBTwXL


https://omniexplorer.info/lookuptx.aspx?txid=394a072ed46088e218ac335cb4106050463960f916d420ca86a13ef1d393d2cb
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December 16, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
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wth again lol

this week end smells fishy as hell dump on monday or friday

hoping for some christmas sales  Smiley
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December 16, 2017, 12:21:55 PM

WTF?

My bladder alarm wakes me up for a new ATH which also happens to be a milestone.. $18kUSD at Stamp, and none seems to care?
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December 16, 2017, 12:24:49 PM

WTF?

My bladder alarm wakes me up for a new ATH which also happens to be a milestone.. $18kUSD at Stamp, and none seems to care?

We're numb, we've been for quiet a while.
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December 16, 2017, 12:25:29 PM

WTF?

My bladder alarm wakes me up for a new ATH which also happens to be a milestone.. $18kUSD at Stamp, and none seems to care?


$18k ath
€15k ath

those folks are spoiled.
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December 16, 2017, 12:30:02 PM

WTF?

My bladder alarm wakes me up for a new ATH which also happens to be a milestone.. $18kUSD at Stamp, and none seems to care?
waiting for $20000
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December 16, 2017, 12:31:24 PM

WTF?

My bladder alarm wakes me up for a new ATH which also happens to be a milestone.. $18kUSD at Stamp, and none seems to care?
waiting for $20000

should be easy target with all that tether
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December 16, 2017, 12:38:03 PM

We haven’t quite gotten to $1800 on Stamp.  It’s $17999.90 and still the wrong side of an admittedly small wall. 
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December 16, 2017, 12:41:19 PM

We haven’t quite gotten to $1800 on Stamp.  It’s $17999.90 and still the wrong side of an admittedly small wall. 

You bear
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December 16, 2017, 12:43:26 PM

It's official.

My entire retirement fiat stash until I turn 65 is being funded by this Litecoin pump. Just sold off another $500k chunk last night. ~$1.2M cashed out so far this month. All long-term gains tax rate being paid @ 23.8% to the IRS.

Getting to keep all my BTC until 2020.

Life is good.

I love all you guys.

No homo.

You must be 64 then?  Grin
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December 16, 2017, 12:45:08 PM

$18k ath
€15k ath

those folks are spoiled.

Spoiled rotten.

Seems that arguing over altcoins, and fussing about online exchanges, block sizes and tx fees are needed to fight off boredom while Bitcoin keeps marching slowly but steadily to new heights. Oh, I almost forgot to mention the usual bear trolling about some mythical "big dump" or other such hogwash.

Totally spoiled.

Anyway, the rally seems to be slowing down after running into the predictable resistance at $18k.

I'm going back to bed. See you at noon.
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December 16, 2017, 12:55:40 PM

Excessive rectal leakage
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December 16, 2017, 12:56:48 PM

i know you want some crypto newbies to buy your btc at 20k but still a dump will happen, crypto newcomers should be aware of that. I'm a trader not a bear.
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December 16, 2017, 12:57:47 PM

WTF?

My bladder alarm wakes me up for a new ATH which also happens to be a milestone.. $18kUSD at Stamp, and none seems to care?

It's only double Vegeta...  Shocked
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