Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[Elwar]

If there is anything I have learned about bitcoin is that often the price doesn't move an inch when there is major global bitcoin news (not just UK) and that there can be very large price movements without even a trace of bitcoin news to be found anywhere.

Agreed.

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[vapourminer]

my pills, where are my pills

no worries, here, have some of mine. the white ones are the best.

[Elwar]

Coinbase just bought a decentralized exchange......

Coinbase.......
decentralized exchange.......


I think i need a recap on what "decentralized" means......

99% of decentralized exchanges allow you to trade crypto to crypto.

There is one decentralized exchange that uses fiat but that is more like localbitcoins than a real exchange.

[Theb]

50 years old without any savings, god daym, this story is sad as fuck.

You should have invested in the stock markets at least dude. I missed the crypto train mostly too, since it was a whole new concept and was a risky investment but people who took that risk made the millions not those who didn't.

No matter what your monthly salary is, you should keep some of it and invest in different assets. (used to be stocks, cash, gold... now it is crypto, cash(should be your smallest investment), gold and stocks-this one is in a bubble right now probably, wait for the crash) Saving $100 or $200 per month might not look like a lot at the first glance but after 20 years, it may grow into a lambo or a house at least.

"Missing the crypto train" is mostly an overused term due to the bear market we are having but if this market started to shift upwards you can probably be able to ride with other traders as well. Also it is sad to imagine his current situation but he did not realized early on to investing other assets when he was just younger. And investing in crypto without knowledge of investing at the same time being in the market at the wrong time will really make you do bad decisions.

[ivomm]

I agree that there are many people like Rojer Ver who delibarately sold tens and hundreds of thousands of Bitcoins to pump their beecash etc. shitcoins. But there are other whales as well - mining whales mostly with short fat fingers which love to hit sell button on bitfinex. Each day 1800 new bitcoins are mined. For a week they gather 12600, for 1 month 50400, etc. Not so long time ago (5-6 months) they had enough profit to do so - like 20$ per asic s9 per day. But now, thanks to the many new s9's (and equivalent) plugged in, their profit is only 2.8$ per day with 0.1$ elecricity price. In the last 3 months the mining difficulty rose by 43% (meaning 43% less profit with the same price of Bitcoin). In 3 months the expected difficulty is almost the same 35-40%, so their revenue will drop from 6 to 3-4$ meaning the profit will be around 0$. I am curious if they will be happy to hit the sell button then. I guess not.

That said, what can we expect to happen in the next 3 months? When 0.1$ el. price asics are turned off, this will buy some time (but not much) for the 0.04-0.06$ el. price asics to mine on profit. In another 3-6 months even with the lowest el. price asics will have to be turned off. This is very bad news for Bitmain and its competition, but not for the hodlers! Despite the hatred of Jihan Wu for Bitcoin team and supporters, he will be FORCED to pump the price at least 4x, if he wants to continue to manifacture asics and run his pool. The fact that the moderators in bitcoin mining forums ban me for posting these stats, proves how afraid are of the truth they. And those who buy new asics s9 are completely unaware of the mining difficulty charts:

https://whattomine.com/asic
https://www.coinwarz.com/difficulty-charts/bitcoin-difficulty-chart
https://diff.cryptothis.com/

[Elwar]

I agree that there are many people like Rojer Ver who delibarately sold tens and hundreds of thousands of Bitcoins to pump their beecash etc. shitcoins. But there are other whales as well - mining whales mostly with short fat fingers which love to hit sell button on bitfinex. Each day 1800 new bitcoins are mined. For a week they gather 12600, for 1 month 50400, etc. Not so long time ago (5-6 months) they had enough profit to do so - like 20$ per asic s9 per day. But now, thanks to the many new devices their profit is only 2.8$ per day with 0.1$ elecricity price. In the last 3 months the mining difficulty rose by 43% (meaning 43% less profit with the same price of Bitcoin). In 3 months the expected difficulty is almost the same 35-40%, so their revenue will drop from 6 to 3-4$ meaning the profit will be around 0$. I am curious if they will be happy to hit the sell button then. I guess not.

That said, what we can expect to happen in the next 3 months. When 0.1$ el. price asics are turned off, this will buy some time but not much for the 0.4-0.6$ el. price asics to mine on profit. In another 3-6 months even with the lowest el. price asics will have to be turned off. This is very bad news for Bitmain and its competition, but not for the hodlers! Despite the hatred of Jihan Wu for Bitcoin team and supporters, he will be FORCED to pump the price at least 4x, if he wants to continue to manifacture asics and run his pool. The fact that the moderators in bitcoin mining forums ban me for posting these stats, proves how afraid are of the truth they. And those who buy new asics s9 are completely unaware of the mining difficulty charts:

https://whattomine.com/asic
https://www.coinwarz.com/difficulty-charts/bitcoin-difficulty-chart
https://diff.cryptothis.com/

Is Jihan still using his proprietary mining hack to get more coins on bcash than other miners? Or are the only people mining bcash using his algorithm?

Too bad for him the Segwith fork fixed that.

[d_eddie]

@TERA2
I think I surely don't have anything to apologize for, amirite?

[BTCHadzija]

BTC price movement is making it's way down to the long-term trend support line that had like 6 touches since October, and it lines up at around 6900 right now.

I have my buy orders set just above 7k, hoping they'll hit soon and we can start our reversal.

If we break below that trend line we're probably looking at a prolonged bear-market, but I doubt that will happen. On the upside we will however need some more volume to get through that 200DMA

[Raja_MBZ]

This article made my day. Check it out guys; written in 2014, and till now, the price predictions have remained extremely accurate:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1lfobc/i_am_a_timetraveler_from_the_future_here_to_beg/

There are two main forms of wealth in today's world. Land and cryptocurrency.

 

[d_eddie]

I'm glad I didn't come across as a jerk. What I would like is see you write a string of satisfied posts about how your trading gives you small but consistent fruits. You're a bitcoin veteran after all.

Do you really get rekt every time, bones, or is it just preventive whining?

(You're free not to answer this, of course. It's just a cocky opening.)

I'd try and make the bet smaller relative to my playroll, keeping leverage at maybe 3 tops, 1~1.5 even better. "Going long" can actually mean buying a few cents and stashing away. So can "taking profit." Increasing the amount in the freezer is probably the most hopeful subgoal to gambling with 100% house money.

I mean: you know a few things about retirement and taxes. I'm sure you made a few calculations. I know you understand this magical internet money fairly well, too. Come on.

To be blunt, my finances are a horror story. I truly am REKT. My cryptocurrency portfolio has never been large. We are talking less than 1 BTC worth ATM.

It's not a huge start, agreed, but by judicious use of a consistent strategy it could grow little by little. The 2J-ladder thingy, maybe. Or if you just held the hedging short since when you started it, now your play money could have doubled easily. That's what I mean by "consistent". And "judicious" means you would have managed to hold it without getting rekt soonish (with some sweat, granted) if it had been a small amount (like 10-20% of your play bankroll).

Also, everyone knows the saying that those who can't,  teach. Definitely applies to me when it comes to retirement. I have jack shit saved up for retirement and I am 50.

I feel you, man.

Sometimes I'm just tempted to liquidate all my meager cryptocurrency holdings right now. However, a part of me wants to hold on for as long as possible because quite frankly, it gives me a little ray of hope that maybe things will turn around, and I can delay the looming bankruptcy filing indefinitely.

Are we joking or what? Chin up and HODL!

I will probably regret this posting, since I have bared all to practical strangers. Oh well, at least it was a little therapeutic to have my own pity party.

No names, no pain. And you got yourself off the target list as well. It probably isn't all that bad.

[Speculatoross]

Coinbase just bought a decentralized exchange......

Coinbase.......
decentralized exchange.......


I think i need a recap on what "decentralized" means......

99% of decentralized exchanges allow you to trade crypto to crypto.

There is one decentralized exchange that uses fiat but that is more like localbitcoins than a real exchange.

Thank you but I know what a dex exchange is:)
It was mainly a joke (probably a bad one lol), meaning that when I read “coinbase” and “decentralized” on the same sentence I feel like I don’t know anymore what decentralization means

[Kylapoiss]

This whole telegram thing is pretty stupid, I have no idea why people think it is useful for an ICO. I remember using something like this in MUDs back in 1993, it was the gossip channel, and it was annoying then too. I just keep waiting for someone to chat: "level!"...."grats!"

What MUD did you play? Used to play them aswell, MUME, Aardwolf and main one was Stonia, a small but awesome one, liked it the most.


This bitcoin price is getting boring, when we'll get out of the low-mid 7xxx area? Some more action please

[Elwar]

Coinbase just bought a decentralized exchange......

Coinbase.......
decentralized exchange.......


I think i need a recap on what "decentralized" means......

99% of decentralized exchanges allow you to trade crypto to crypto.

There is one decentralized exchange that uses fiat but that is more like localbitcoins than a real exchange.

Thank you but I know what a dex exchange is:)
It was mainly a joke (probably a bad one lol), meaning that when I read “coinbase” and “decentralized” on the same sentence I feel like I don’t know anymore what decentralization means

If I were coinbase I would spend a shitload on developing a fiat dex that is running in the background un-seen. Then add more and more "nodes", bringing in partners to run the nodes. Then when the government says, "oh, in addition to all of the other information we're making you collect we now need penis size", they can just say...Coinbase, the company, is shutting down. This affects none of the users. Continue using the DEX. Good luck.

[bitserve]

Coinbase just bought a decentralized exchange......

Coinbase.......
decentralized exchange.......


I think i need a recap on what "decentralized" means......

99% of decentralized exchanges allow you to trade crypto to crypto.

There is one decentralized exchange that uses fiat but that is more like localbitcoins than a real exchange.

Thank you but I know what a dex exchange is:)
It was mainly a joke (probably a bad one lol), meaning that when I read “coinbase” and “decentralized” on the same sentence I feel like I don’t know anymore what decentralization means

If I were coinbase I would spend a shitload on developing a fiat dex that is running in the background un-seen. Then add more and more "nodes", bringing in partners to run the nodes. Then when the government says, "oh, in addition to all of the other information we're making you collect we now need penis size", they can just say...Coinbase, the company, is shutting down. This affects none of the users. Continue using the DEX. Good luck.

But... Is that even possible? I mean, a FIAT decentralised exchange? The only thing I can think similar would be localbitcoins... which is not really decentralized even if the deals are somewhat p2p.

Decentralized crypto-only exchanges? Yeah, through smart contracts, atomic swaps, etc.... but FIAT? Maybe through a (completely exploitable) trust rating system... other than that... how?

[Anon136]

This article made my day. Check it out guys; written in 2014, and till now, the price predictions have remained extremely accurate:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1lfobc/i_am_a_timetraveler_from_the_future_here_to_beg/

There are two main forms of wealth in today's world. Land and cryptocurrency.

 

That was fun. Thanks for the share. Can't wait to meet up with you other "earlies" in the citadel.

[Torque]

But... Is that even possible? I mean, a FIAT decentralised exchange? The only thing I can think similar would be localbitcoins... which is not really decentralized even if the deals are somewhat p2p.

Decentralized crypto-only exchanges? Yeah, through smart contracts, atomic swaps, etc.... but FIAT? Maybe through a (completely exploitable) trust rating system... other than that... how?

https://bisq.network

[Torque]

That said, what can we expect to happen in the next 3 months? When 0.1$ el. price asics are turned off, this will buy some time (but not much) for the 0.04-0.06$ el. price asics to mine on profit. In another 3-6 months even with the lowest el. price asics will have to be turned off. This is very bad news for Bitmain and its competition, but not for the hodlers! Despite the hatred of Jihan Wu for Bitcoin team and supporters, he will be FORCED to pump the price at least 4x, if he wants to continue to manifacture asics and run his pool. The fact that the moderators in bitcoin mining forums ban me for posting these stats, proves how afraid are of the truth they. And those who buy new asics s9 are completely unaware of the mining difficulty charts:

https://whattomine.com/asic
https://www.coinwarz.com/difficulty-charts/bitcoin-difficulty-chart
https://diff.cryptothis.com/

I think I read somewhere, don't the major miners employ short contracts to hedge the price?

[d_eddie]

I think I read somewhere, don't the major miners employ short contracts to hedge the price?

I bet they do. In their place, I would.

[gembitz]

But... Is that even possible? I mean, a FIAT decentralised exchange? The only thing I can think similar would be localbitcoins... which is not really decentralized even if the deals are somewhat p2p.

Decentralized crypto-only exchanges? Yeah, through smart contracts, atomic swaps, etc.... but FIAT? Maybe through a (completely exploitable) trust rating system... other than that... how?

https://bisq.network

this^  BTI(BTCInstant) is going to be listed here soon ~ i'll keep you posted weeeeee

[Elwar]

But... Is that even possible? I mean, a FIAT decentralised exchange? The only thing I can think similar would be localbitcoins... which is not really decentralized even if the deals are somewhat p2p.

Decentralized crypto-only exchanges? Yeah, through smart contracts, atomic swaps, etc.... but FIAT? Maybe through a (completely exploitable) trust rating system... other than that... how?

https://bisq.network

bisq is p2p akin to localbitcoins


I'm working on one that is sort of like a decentralized tether...turn the fiat to crypto then set it free to be traded like other crypto-crypto.