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MY bank (credit union) does not have an online access for international wire transfers.

Same here, no online wires. But at least I don't have to walk in, I can do a phone transfer. And guess how I get the confirmation transfer slips? Yes, only by fax.

I had no idea banks like that still existed after the change to 21 century... Not that I would be using any of those not even in the nineties. There are no other banks available to you with proper internet access?

You guys are (almost) making me appreciate the "good" banks I do use when I don't even remember when was the last time I had to physically walk into one. Wire transfers are also completely hassle free and in some cases (SEPA transfers) almost instant.

It's the matter that they could just wipe out or freeze my funds at any time what has always worried me.... other than that, they are pretty convenient to "use".

use a commercial bank... I had a bank in 2013....i said I needed it in USD to Sweden for knc machines....they said no problem..the bank had a bot that auto changed

so they could nickel and dime some extra cash with the USD to other currencies kinda scam...bit here, bit there....was lost for 31 days..till fixed by hand, lucky knc waited


later


the same bank had a banker who heard I was into BTC in 2013..there was one of those 99,999.99 bank error slips sent to me in the mail..the bank manager

called the SEC on me...on speaker phone, the SEC guy was wtf when I showed the payment to knc of like 11,900 or some such..not 99,,9999.99 or whatever

the banker then did what and tried to cover his ass with the SEC guy...as

I expected and said BTC was evil and I must be cheating on taxes...got a CPA on this eventually previous to meeting (needs must when the devil drives)

on just this scenario

slapped the CPA completed taxes down with a FU and that pretty much ended that meeting with the SEC guy saying on speaker phone, 'why the hell am I here?'

So pure as the driven snow with IRS and SEC since....and the CPA actually saved me more $$$ due to asic equipment in 2013 to this day...

so yeah, get a commercial bank...that is what they are there for ...do your research...the bank was national tcf by the way...avoid

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fucking Brad

tis true...TCF bank avoid.....

use a commercial bank instead ...avoid at all costs TCF



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Perfect

..."then skim 10% or 20% off of the top and put into fiat"...
Metal, Stocks, Real estate as well if you can

Was having the same problem

This solved it

still doubt how much to sell and when but the skim makes you feel comfortable

If it all goes away you got more than what you started at

Cheerin


I have rarely had to take any extra skim because I tend to sell on the way up and then to reallocate along the way... so every time that I am feeling out of kilter, I only have to skim 1% or so in order to get myself into a kind of comfortable rebalance.

Another part of my cash that I monitor is how much fiat that I have available (within my investment system to continue to buy on the way down).  If it appears that I am going to run out of fiat on the way down, then I have to make adjustments to my buying schedule to buy smaller amounts and/or to buy less frequently.

Surely, for any of us who are BTC accumulators, it is uncomfortable to experience the BTC price going down, because we are more rich, overall, if the BTC price goes up, but there remain ways that we can attempt to maintain less emotionality towards price movements by keeping some dry powder... and just keeping faith that the longer term, whether that is 1 year or 3 years or 5 years, or perhaps longer, we are going to be able to cash out some or all of our accumulated bitcoin that are likely much higher than the average price that we bought them... Of course, the break even and the profit price points are going to differ from person to person, and a lot of the dilemma that seems to currently be occurring with long term BTC hodlers is whether to skim a bit of profits right here to feel more comfortable, but it is not tending to be a question of selling at a loss, so the question of selling at a loss would likely be a different one related to long term faith, and likely a need to either continue to buy or to HODL rather than skimming a bit off the top, at these currently down more than 60% from the top BTC prices.


PS:  By the way, don't blame me, if you skim a bit off, and you end up selling at the bottom because BTC prices go shooting up from here. In the end, you are responsible for your own actions and your own measures to feel more comfortable, and each of us needs to have enough comfort feeling in our decision(s) that we feel prepared for the price do go in either direction.  We are NOT just preparing ourselves for one direction, because if you prepare yourself only for one direction, then you are gambling rather than really stabilizing your BTC/fiat holdings.
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Perfect

..."then skim 10% or 20% off of the top and put into fiat"...
Metal, Stocks, Real estate as well if you can

Was having the same problem

This solved it

still doubt how much to sell and when but the skim makes you feel comfortable

If it all goes away you got more than what you started at

Cheerin


I have rarely had to take any extra skim because I tend to sell on the way up and then to reallocate along the way... so every time that I am feeling out of kilter, I only have to skim 1% or so in order to get myself into a kind of comfortable rebalance.

Another part of my cash that I monitor is how much fiat that I have available (within my investment system to continue to buy on the way down).  If it appears that I am going to run out of fiat on the way down, then I have to make adjustments to my buying schedule to buy smaller amounts and/or to buy less frequently.

Surely, for any of us who are BTC accumulators, it is uncomfortable to experience the BTC price going down, because we are more rich, overall, if the BTC price goes up, but there remain ways that we can attempt to maintain less emotionality towards price movements by keeping some dry powder... and just keeping faith that the longer term, whether that is 1 year or 3 years or 5 years, or perhaps longer, we are going to be able to cash out some or all of our accumulated bitcoin that are likely much higher than the average price that we bought them... Of course, the break even and the profit price points are going to differ from person to person, and a lot of the dilemma that seems to currently be occurring with long term BTC hodlers is whether to skim a bit of profits right here to feel more comfortable, but it is not tending to be a question of selling at a loss, so the question of selling at a loss would likely be a different one related to long term faith, and likely a need to either continue to buy or to HODL rather than skimming a bit off the top, at these currently down more than 60% from the top BTC prices.

Yep cool

yeah took a bit off here and there on the way up similar to what you outlined, skimming off the top would be difficult as you outlined

What you outlined is great, best how to be done.


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May 30, 2018, 04:48:25 AM

MY bank (credit union) does not have an online access for international wire transfers.

Same here, no online wires. But at least I don't have to walk in, I can do a phone transfer. And guess how I get the confirmation transfer slips? Yes, only by fax.

I had no idea banks like that still existed after the change to 21 century... Not that I would be using any of those not even in the nineties. There are no other banks available to you with proper internet access?

You guys are (almost) making me appreciate the "good" banks I do use when I don't even remember when was the last time I had to physically walk into one. Wire transfers are also completely hassle free and in some cases (SEPA transfers) almost instant.

It's the matter that they could just wipe out or freeze my funds at any time what has always worried me.... other than that, they are pretty convenient to "use".

use a commercial bank... I had a bank in 2013....i said I needed it in USD to Sweden for knc machines....they said no problem..the bank had a bot that auto changed

so they could nickel and dime some extra cash with the USD to other currencies kinda scam...bit here, bit there....was lost for 31 days..till fixed by hand, lucky knc waited


later


the same bank had a banker who heard I was into BTC in 2013..there was one of those 99,999.99 bank error slips sent to me in the mail..the bank manager

called the SEC on me...on speaker phone, the SEC guy was wtf when I showed the payment to knc of like 11,900 or some such..not 99,,9999.99 or whatever

the banker then did what and tried to cover his ass with the SEC guy...as

I expected and said BTC was evil and I must be cheating on taxes...got a CPA on this eventually previous to meeting (needs must when the devil drives)

on just this scenario

slapped the CPA completed taxes down with a FU and that pretty much ended that meeting with the SEC guy saying on speaker phone, 'why the hell am I here?'

So pure as the driven snow with IRS and SEC since....and the CPA actually saved me more $$$ due to asic equipment in 2013 to this day...

so yeah, get a commercial bank...that is what they are there for ...do your research...the bank was national tcf by the way...avoid

brad




I am not sure what a commercial bank means. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_bank. A commercial bank is basically what I would call a "bank". Maybe it is that here the difference between banks for business or individual persons is almost non-existent. All the banks I can recall now would offer all those services while at the same time being available to individual person clients.

About the horror story you had with your bank in 2013... yeah, it is that sort of stuff what worries me. Them being in control direct control of your money means that things could go very ugly if some mistake/misinterpretation happens. That's what I like about Bitcoin: I am in direct control of my BTC.

But, other than that, don't really have much to complain about the general usage through their internet platforms.
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MY bank (credit union) does not have an online access for international wire transfers.

Same here, no online wires. But at least I don't have to walk in, I can do a phone transfer. And guess how I get the confirmation transfer slips? Yes, only by fax.

I had no idea banks like that still existed after the change to 21 century... Not that I would be using any of those not even in the nineties. There are no other banks available to you with proper internet access?

You guys are (almost) making me appreciate the "good" banks I do use when I don't even remember when was the last time I had to physically walk into one. Wire transfers are also completely hassle free and in some cases (SEPA transfers) almost instant.

It's the matter that they could just wipe out or freeze my funds at any time what has always worried me.... other than that, they are pretty convenient to "use".

use a commercial bank... I had a bank in 2013....i said I needed it in USD to Sweden for knc machines....they said no problem..the bank had a bot that auto changed

so they could nickel and dime some extra cash with the USD to other currencies kinda scam...bit here, bit there....was lost for 31 days..till fixed by hand, lucky knc waited


later


the same bank had a banker who heard I was into BTC in 2013..there was one of those 99,999.99 bank error slips sent to me in the mail..the bank manager

called the SEC on me...on speaker phone, the SEC guy was wtf when I showed the payment to knc of like 11,900 or some such..not 99,,9999.99 or whatever

the banker then did what and tried to cover his ass with the SEC guy...as

I expected and said BTC was evil and I must be cheating on taxes...got a CPA on this eventually previous to meeting (needs must when the devil drives)

on just this scenario

slapped the CPA completed taxes down with a FU and that pretty much ended that meeting with the SEC guy saying on speaker phone, 'why the hell am I here?'

So pure as the driven snow with IRS and SEC since....and the CPA actually saved me more $$$ due to asic equipment in 2013 to this day...

so yeah, get a commercial bank...that is what they are there for ...do your research...the bank was national tcf by the way...avoid

brad




I am not sure what a commercial bank means. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_bank. A commercial bank is basically what I would call a "bank". Maybe it is that here the difference between banks for business or individual persons is almost non-existent. All the banks I can recall now would offer all those services while at the same time being available to individual person clients.

About the horror story you had with your bank in 2013... yeah, it is that sort of stuff what worries me. Them being in control direct control of your money means that things could go very ugly if some mistake/misinterpretation happens. That's what I like about Bitcoin: I am in direct control of my BTC.

But, other than that, don't really have much to complain about the general usage through their internet platforms.

Our government put new ID laws in place.

My bank informed me.

I was unaware.

April 2018
They ceased all services on my account, No proper ID (They stole my money)

So I walked in and closed my account of over 20 years and got my money out.


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Our government put new ID laws in place.

My bank informed me.

I was unaware.

April 2018
They ceased all services on my account, No proper ID (They stole my money)

So I walked in and closed my account of over 20 years and got my money out.


I guess that must be the equivalent of the laws implemented here a couple of years ago. They announced it for months before the deadline... it even got coverage in the media. Yet I did miss to fulfill the questionaires of one of my banks that I rarely use. I didn't even notice until many months later when I was to do a transfer. The account was locked for transfers. I provided them with the required information and the account was unlocked.

That was it. Everything ok. No complaints. But... What kind of nightmare I would be into IF they had chosen not to unlock it for god knows what reason? That's what worries me.... yet I do have no other option than to keep using banks... and BTC for all the rest Smiley

I don't think BTC will SUBSTITUTE banks. It's far from it currently... And probably will not be in the future even if BTC succeeds. What I mean is... if BTC reach enough adoption banks (being for profit business above all else) will just adopt it in their core business. As soon as I have the choice to also have the main part of it on my direct control I am ok with it.

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MY bank (credit union) does not have an online access for international wire transfers.

Same here, no online wires. But at least I don't have to walk in, I can do a phone transfer. And guess how I get the confirmation transfer slips? Yes, only by fax.
Wow that must error prone and a slow process spelling some unorthodox foreign names and addresses.
With internet banking copy-paste all the fields and its done.

I am currently fight a major battle with an international payment sent on April 6 and still not credited to beneficiary account.
Letter in hand from bank with confirmation of electronic fund transfer, on log in can see money deducted from account and endless phone calls each and everyone confirming money is with receiving bank.   
Various consumer organizations and financial ombudsman have been conducted, will see what comes of it.

With bitcoin everyone can see the transfer
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Our government put new ID laws in place.

My bank informed me.

I was unaware.

April 2018
They ceased all services on my account, No proper ID (They stole my money)

So I walked in and closed my account of over 20 years and got my money out.


I guess that must be the equivalent of the laws implemented here a couple of years ago. They announced it for months before the deadline... it even got coverage in the media. Yet I did miss to fulfill the questionaires of one of my banks that I rarely use. I didn't even notice until many months later when I was to do a transfer. The account was locked for transfers. I provided them with the required information and the account was unlocked.

That was it. Everything ok. No complaints. But... What kind of nightmare I would be into IF they had chosen not to unlock it for god knows what reason? That's what worries me.... yet I do have no other option than to keep using banks... and BTC for all the rest Smiley

I don't think BTC will SUBSTITUTE banks. It's far from it currently... And probably will not be in the future even if BTC succeeds. What I mean is... if BTC reach enough adoption banks (being for profit business above all else) will just adopt it in their core business. As soon as I have the choice to also have the main part of it on my direct control I am ok with it.


It brought back memories of all that money the banks stole in 2008

All the nightmare stories of banks taking deposits, negative interest rates, bank runs

The gold taking in 1933

I though stuff it, give it back, you are not doin that to me

Could of just ID and unlocked the account like you mentioned.

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May 30, 2018, 07:22:38 AM

Still used a lot in business. Frankly, it's still easier than scanning in a document and emailing it.

If your fax/scan machine is not too antiquated, it can email documents too!  I used to have one at work, but I stopped going there a few years ago.  It was too depressing.

Actually, if you have direct email send funtion than it is pretty convinient since scanning document with a phone does not give you same quality when it comes to shape of the scan. Nevertheless, scan maschines are damn slow and noisy.
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Still used a lot in business. Frankly, it's still easier than scanning in a document and emailing it.

If your fax/scan machine is not too antiquated, it can email documents too!  I used to have one at work, but I stopped going there a few years ago.  It was too depressing.

Actually, if you have direct email send funtion than it is pretty convinient since scanning document with a phone does not give you same quality when it comes to shape of the scan. Nevertheless, scan maschines are damn slow and noisy.

Take a photo of the doc now

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no scanning


timestamp
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fax?

is that really a thing?



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fax?

is that really a thing?

its still big in medical, mainly for HIPAA compliance as email is not considered secure. most records are sent from practice to practice that way as there currently is little standardization for electronic medical records. i would send/receive hundreds of pages a day.

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I am currently fight a major battle with an international payment sent on April 6 and still not credited to beneficiary account.
Letter in hand from bank with confirmation of electronic fund transfer, on log in can see money deducted from account and endless phone calls each and everyone confirming money is with receiving bank.   
Various consumer organizations and financial ombudsman have been conducted, will see what comes of it.

dude, patience. when I sent money via bank acct to an african country few years back, it took 3 months (!) until it finally arrived. and lots of fees.
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