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Question: Closing BTC Price June 28:
$0 - 5 (2.7%)
<$7,000 - 4 (2.2%)
$7,000-$7,499 - 0 (0%)
$7,500-$7,999 - 0 (0%)
$8,000-$8,499 - 1 (0.5%)
$8,500-$8,999 - 3 (1.6%)
$9,000-$9,499 - 4 (2.2%)
$9,500-$9,999 - 27 (14.8%)
$10,000-$10,499 - 26 (14.2%)
$10,500-10,999 - 14 (7.7%)
$11,000-$11,499 - 14 (7.7%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 17 (9.3%)
>$12,000 - 54 (29.5%)
>$20,000 - 14 (7.7%)
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Every cutting edge of any discipline or art and then some that haven't been conceived of yet. If the (by now almost blatantly obvious) prospect of fully immersive virtual realities doesn't tickle your fancy I don't know what will. The first baby steps have been taken (memory manipulation, trolling the brain, controlling shit with your brain), the rest is a question of time. Space travel is around the corner as well.

And for whoever is lucky enough to hit the threshold for longevity they'll be in for quite a wild ride, be it in VR or by just watching the universe change on very large time scales.

If you're bored or lacking wonder you're not looking.

Reasonable people can certainly disagree on this, and I recognize that my preferences are largely aesthetic, but your post illustrates a stark divergence between our worldviews.

I believe that the Hobbesian fallacy is perpetuated as part of an effort to get us to accept what I see as continually degrading aesthetic expectations of the world around us.  I understand that a global primary forest has no objective superiority to a global megalopolis, but for myself I have decided that I can tell a green field from a cold steel rail.  I know which I prefer, call it religion if you must.

You are really ready to accept a prepared VR experience as your life?  OK, that's fine, I'm not.
Since there's no need to choose right now I haven't made any calls as of yet, but would probably hover between what we call life now and all sorts of virtual experiences of the future (should I live to see the day).

However, it would be a fallacy to assume that we aren't already in a situation where we chose this "reality" whilst erasing memories of doing so. And while you can tell the clumsily put together approximations of reality that we have now apart from the "real thing" the gap is rapidly closing. At some point you won't be able to tell which is which bar remembering.

What if you erased your memory of this life not being "real" precisely because you found out that nothing really is and you felt like pretending that something was ground reality?


Anyhow, that example was merely one that I hoped would hammer the nail in the coffin. The point being that your own imagination, efforts, and available time are the only relevant limits to creating or discovering new types of experience. Increasingly so as our abilities to process information and create out of it becomes better over time.
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C'on Ibian, we have never in history lived better than we do for the past few decades. Or can you point out any moment in time you would have better preferred to live?

this depends entirely on the metrics you measure your quality of life with.  Also, as always, social class has a great influence.

I think I would be perfectly happy as a petty aristocrat in Roman Britain for example.  For many, a life in a clean and abundant environment with actual unclaimed wonder over the horizon would be far preferable to today's dystopian prison web of interstate highways and satellites.

Honestly I would rather live in hunter gatherer times. Before agriculture started
But they only lived 40 years if they were lucky.

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Suicide was practically non existent among indigenous tribes.  It's clear that modern society is ruining peoples mental health and happiness.
There wasn't much time to think about suicide is my guess.

The Hobbesian "nasty brutish and short" fallacy again.

As I said, social class is always a strong predictor of longevity, not always for the best, sometimes the party lifestyle is so intense the dukes die early, however we really need to put Hobbes out to pasture on this;

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181002-how-long-did-ancient-people-live-life-span-versus-longevity

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If one’s thirties were a decrepit old age, ancient writers and politicians don’t seem to have got the message. In the early 7th Century BC, the Greek poet Hesiod wrote that a man should marry “when you are not much less than 30, and not much more”. Meanwhile, ancient Rome’s ‘cursus honorum’ – the sequence of political offices that an ambitious young man would undertake – didn’t even allow a young man to stand for his first office, that of quaestor, until the age of 30 (under Emperor Augustus, this was later lowered to 25; Augustus himself died at 75). To be consul, you had to be 43 – eight years older than the US’s minimum age limit of 35 to hold a presidency.

In the 1st Century, Pliny devoted an entire chapter of The Natural History to people who lived longest. Among them he lists the consul M Valerius Corvinos (100 years), Cicero’s wife Terentia (103), a woman named Clodia (115 – and who had 15 children along the way), and the actress Lucceia who performed on stage at 100 years old.

Then there are tombstone inscriptions and grave epigrams, such as this one for a woman who died in Alexandria in the 3rd Century BC. “She was 80 years old, but able to weave a delicate weft with the shrill shuttle”, the epigram reads admiringly.

Bang on, I was going to leave this one alone, but you are quite right.   Anyone who survived the things that did kill (more often) back then, had a fairly good chance of living almost as long as people today.

Even hunter-gatherers, who were fitter and had a much more varied diet lived well if they were not taken off by disease or accident.  Obviously infant mortality was higher, and a badly broken leg could kill you, since it was not as operable as today, but people lived well and archaeologists' research indicates pre-agricultural era hunter-gatherers appear to have had a varied and well-balanced diet of nuts, seeds, berries, roots etc. that were far more healthy than many modern human diets are today.

Today in the west, we eat processed foods from a reduced number of food groups and are less mobile, less fit and more obese on average.  So our average age may be higher before death, but we are not (on average) healthier, we just don't die from as many risk factors which we can avoid with drugs and modern medicine.  Obese, immobile people live longer, sure but.....

In some modern, western societies average longevity is actually falling.  Pre-modern societies didn't self harm with drugs, had less risk of mass epidemics and certainly had less food-related diabetes (now hugely on the rise in the West, due to bad diet and lack of exercise). 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-lifeexpectancy/life-expectancy-declines-seen-in-u-s-and-other-high-income-countries-idUSKCN1L723R

I ain't sayin' life was better in some golden age - Jojo is right: NOT 'everyone' died horrible deaths much younger than we do today. 
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Every cutting edge of any discipline or art and then some that haven't been conceived of yet. If the (by now almost blatantly obvious) prospect of fully immersive virtual realities doesn't tickle your fancy I don't know what will. The first baby steps have been taken (memory manipulation, trolling the brain, controlling shit with your brain), the rest is a question of time. Space travel is around the corner as well.

And for whoever is lucky enough to hit the threshold for longevity they'll be in for quite a wild ride, be it in VR or by just watching the universe change on very large time scales.

If you're bored or lacking wonder you're not looking.
Sword Art Online is fantasy. Even a real version would be just that, another game. Also look up TFM on youtube. No more hints.

Life extending technology will come, but not within the next hundred years. Sorry.

Where is the third?
"Every cutting edge of any discipline or art" is a number so large that we'd spend at least numerous days creating a list.
If you go down a single path long enough you eventually realize that there is absolutely no end in sight to any endeavour that a human could possibly pursue. Quite on the contrary, the more you find the more potential questions you inevitably create.
It doesn't stop here either, the rate at which you create new information (and henceforth objects and experiences) accelerates indefinitely. Hence, a literally infinite amount of potential new discoveries waits anywhere you decide to focus on.


The remainder of my post was just an example which you grossly underestimated. By the time we have that level of VR we'll also be able to process much larger amounts of information and hence be capable of creating an abundance of worlds that humans are incapable of conceiving of today.

Whether or not you choose to call that "just another game" is up to you, but life is virtually indistinguishable from games beyond the fact that you're dumped into this world as opposed to going through a character creation menu or just jumping straight into the game.
And even that is questionable, as even the mere prospect of creating such virtual worlds while also being capable of manipulation memories begs the question: Have we chosen to play the game that we call life and willfully removed any trace of doing so to increase immersion or otherwise alter the experience?
Quit stalling and name one more thing mister no-goals-in-life.
There is no stalling taking place from my side. If you're still not getting the point you're either not trying or trolling.

In either case, you're the problem if you're not satisfied with life as it is. Weren't right-wingers supposed to be all about taking responsibility of one's own life? How come then that you're avoiding the obvious limitless amounts of knowledge and experiences that life offers virtually everywhere?

Not sure what the fuck "mister no goals in life" is supposed to mean here either. By the sounds of it you have resigned from life before you even started.


Edit:

In case you're literally retarded and not just baiting though, let me spell it out. You take a random discipline, say Physics. Now you look at recent papers. Voila, you've got a horizon beyond which there's undiscovered possibilities. Rinse and repeat by replacing Physics with literally anything else. And a 4th one for good measure: Crypto. Still shaping up. Or did your 8ball tell you what is going to happen to the tee?


Edit2:

You missed space travel from my original post. Which put us at three to begin with and thus suggests that you're not even reading the posts.

Hence, you're a Roach level troll who starts shit, keeps baiting and who is not worth anyone's time. Prove me wrong or fuck off to ignore. Cheers.
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December 03, 2018, 07:21:35 PM

I'll be honest. I want the best of both worlds. Does "true love" really rule out any strictly dick-only fling once in a while?

In the words of Jack Breil:
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Said by a guy who obviously still loves her madly.

Merited for quoting Jacques Brel, classy.

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December 03, 2018, 07:31:58 PM

Every cutting edge of any discipline or art and then some that haven't been conceived of yet. If the (by now almost blatantly obvious) prospect of fully immersive virtual realities doesn't tickle your fancy I don't know what will. The first baby steps have been taken (memory manipulation, trolling the brain, controlling shit with your brain), the rest is a question of time. Space travel is around the corner as well.

And for whoever is lucky enough to hit the threshold for longevity they'll be in for quite a wild ride, be it in VR or by just watching the universe change on very large time scales.

If you're bored or lacking wonder you're not looking.
Sword Art Online is fantasy. Even a real version would be just that, another game. Also look up TFM on youtube. No more hints.

Life extending technology will come, but not within the next hundred years. Sorry.

Where is the third?
"Every cutting edge of any discipline or art" is a number so large that we'd spend at least numerous days creating a list.
If you go down a single path long enough you eventually realize that there is absolutely no end in sight to any endeavour that a human could possibly pursue. Quite on the contrary, the more you find the more potential questions you inevitably create.
It doesn't stop here either, the rate at which you create new information (and henceforth objects and experiences) accelerates indefinitely. Hence, a literally infinite amount of potential new discoveries waits anywhere you decide to focus on.


The remainder of my post was just an example which you grossly underestimated. By the time we have that level of VR we'll also be able to process much larger amounts of information and hence be capable of creating an abundance of worlds that humans are incapable of conceiving of today.

Whether or not you choose to call that "just another game" is up to you, but life is virtually indistinguishable from games beyond the fact that you're dumped into this world as opposed to going through a character creation menu or just jumping straight into the game.
And even that is questionable, as even the mere prospect of creating such virtual worlds while also being capable of manipulation memories begs the question: Have we chosen to play the game that we call life and willfully removed any trace of doing so to increase immersion or otherwise alter the experience?
Quit stalling and name one more thing mister no-goals-in-life.
There is no stalling taking place from my side. If you're still not getting the point you're either not trying or trolling.

In either case, you're the problem if you're not satisfied with life as it is. Weren't right-wingers supposed to be all about taking responsibility of one's own life? How come then that you're avoiding the obvious limitless amounts of knowledge and experiences that life offers virtually everywhere?

Not sure what the fuck "mister no goals in life" is supposed to mean here either. By the sounds of it you have resigned from life before you even started.


Edit:

In case you're literally retarded and not just baiting though, let me spell it out. You take a random discipline, say Physics. Now you look at recent papers. Voila, you've got a horizon beyond which there's undiscovered possibilities. Rinse and repeat by replacing Physics with literally anything else. And a 4th one for good measure: Crypto. Still shaping up. Or did your 8ball tell you what is going to happen to the tee?


Edit2:

You missed space travel from my original post. Which put us at three to begin with and thus suggests that you're not even reading the posts.

Hence, you're a Roach level troll who starts shit, keeps baiting and who is not worth anyone's time. Prove me wrong or fuck off to ignore. Cheers.
Okay so your goal in life is to play sword art online the actual real game where you can i guess play all sorts of instruments that don't and couldn't exist in real life when you are five hundred years old.

Alrighty then.

Edit: While in space.
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December 03, 2018, 07:33:16 PM

What I am not sure is what the exact problem that would inevitably lead in a collapse of epic proportions is. Economic collapse? Inmigration? Something else?

I can see factors and cycles, yeah, but I still don't see that "perfect storm" you are talking about.

I'd probably look at a chart of population growth.



If that were bitcoin, how do you think the chart would resolve itself? A nice, steady slope back to linear growth, or a rip-your-pants-off crash?

And sure, things may get better eventually, but I don't much fancy the experience of billions of people dying in the interlude.
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These Bitcorn prices aren't making any sense.

I'm starting to get the fear.

Fuck.

Not good.

Not good at all.
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December 03, 2018, 07:34:48 PM

SOMA? I think d_eddie owns that trademark. Straight Outta My Ass or somesuch.

Copywrite infringement is my trademark!  Smiley


An alternative would be if we stayed around this range for a couple of months, maybe even some more.... that would probably signal this as the true bottom.

What do you guys think about that? Plausible?

Honestly I thought that about $6500.

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What I am not sure is what the exact problem that would inevitably lead in a collapse of epic proportions is. Economic collapse? Inmigration? Something else?

I can see factors and cycles, yeah, but I still don't see that "perfect storm" you are talking about.

I'd probably look at a chart of population growth.



If that were bitcoin, how do you think the chart would resolve itself? A nice, steady slope back to linear growth, or a rip-your-pants-off crash?

And sure, things may get better eventually, but I don't much fancy the experience of billions of people dying in the interlude.
Supposedly we can feed, uh what is it, nine billion people? That means we won't stop there. We will keep going to ten or more likely eleven. And then two billion people will die, after we completely empty the oceans. In theory.
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Okay so your goal in life is to play sword art online the actual real game where you can i guess play all sorts of instruments that don't and couldn't exist in real life when you are five hundred years old.

Alrighty then.
Illiterate, retarded, or shadow of Roach. In either case, since you ask shit and don't put in the effort of digesting a response I'll treat you the way you ask to be treated. By putting you on ignore.

P.S. The way you get hung up over some shitty anime (which you brought up) seems pretty unhealthy. If VR = SAO to you you're even more narrow-minded than I ever could've given you credit for. You didn't strike me as a neckbeard retard before, but damn do things change quickly around Bitcorn. Good luck in life kid.
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December 03, 2018, 07:39:17 PM

Maybe a bit harsh on bitserve, but I'm sick to death of people who stand to become aristocrats of the new world still thinking it will be a socialist utopia. It will be feudal-capitalist because bitcoin.
Not sure if you are mocking me, jojo, or both.... But that shit is fucking hilarious! Smiley
not him, no. and you laugh it off at your peril. bitcoin will have your pinko notions for breakfast.
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These Bitcorn prices aren't making any sense.

I'm starting to get the fear.

Fuck.

Not good.

Not good at all.

whip up one of your special loads Bob, you'll feel better
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Every cutting edge of any discipline or art and then some that haven't been conceived of yet. If the (by now almost blatantly obvious) prospect of fully immersive virtual realities doesn't tickle your fancy I don't know what will. The first baby steps have been taken (memory manipulation, trolling the brain, controlling shit with your brain), the rest is a question of time. Space travel is around the corner as well.

And for whoever is lucky enough to hit the threshold for longevity they'll be in for quite a wild ride, be it in VR or by just watching the universe change on very large time scales.

If you're bored or lacking wonder you're not looking.
Sword Art Online is fantasy. Even a real version would be just that, another game. Also look up TFM on youtube. No more hints.

Life extending technology will come, but not within the next hundred years. Sorry.

Where is the third?
"Every cutting edge of any discipline or art" is a number so large that we'd spend at least numerous days creating a list.
If you go down a single path long enough you eventually realize that there is absolutely no end in sight to any endeavour that a human could possibly pursue. Quite on the contrary, the more you find the more potential questions you inevitably create.
It doesn't stop here either, the rate at which you create new information (and henceforth objects and experiences) accelerates indefinitely. Hence, a literally infinite amount of potential new discoveries waits anywhere you decide to focus on.


The remainder of my post was just an example which you grossly underestimated. By the time we have that level of VR we'll also be able to process much larger amounts of information and hence be capable of creating an abundance of worlds that humans are incapable of conceiving of today.

Whether or not you choose to call that "just another game" is up to you, but life is virtually indistinguishable from games beyond the fact that you're dumped into this world as opposed to going through a character creation menu or just jumping straight into the game.
And even that is questionable, as even the mere prospect of creating such virtual worlds while also being capable of manipulation memories begs the question: Have we chosen to play the game that we call life and willfully removed any trace of doing so to increase immersion or otherwise alter the experience?
Quit stalling and name one more thing mister no-goals-in-life.
There is no stalling taking place from my side. If you're still not getting the point you're either not trying or trolling.

In either case, you're the problem if you're not satisfied with life as it is. Weren't right-wingers supposed to be all about taking responsibility of one's own life? How come then that you're avoiding the obvious limitless amounts of knowledge and experiences that life offers virtually everywhere?

Not sure what the fuck "mister no goals in life" is supposed to mean here either. By the sounds of it you have resigned from life before you even started.


Edit:

In case you're literally retarded and not just baiting though, let me spell it out. You take a random discipline, say Physics. Now you look at recent papers. Voila, you've got a horizon beyond which there's undiscovered possibilities. Rinse and repeat by replacing Physics with literally anything else. And a 4th one for good measure: Crypto. Still shaping up. Or did your 8ball tell you what is going to happen to the tee?


Edit2:

You missed space travel from my original post. Which put us at three to begin with and thus suggests that you're not even reading the posts.

Hence, you're a Roach level troll who starts shit, keeps baiting and who is not worth anyone's time. Prove me wrong or fuck off to ignore. Cheers.
Okay so your goal in life is to play sword art online the actual real game where you can i guess play all sorts of instruments that don't and couldn't exist in real life when you are five hundred years old.

Alrighty then.
Illiterate, retarded, or shadow of Roach. In either case, since you ask shit and don't put in the effort of digesting a response I'll treat you the way you ask to be treated. By putting you on ignore.

P.S. The way you get hung up over some shitty anime seems pretty unhealthy. Good luck in life kid.
Point is, you have not named one thing that has real world utility. As in, furthering the specie. Just stuff that would personally amuse you.
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I will overlook the misspelling of great man's name Wink
I misspelt the name on purpose, though I'm not sure what the purpose was anymore.
Thank you Smiley

EDIT I guess I was just trying to be humorous on the wrong day.
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We have some turbolence on prices.

It seems a good moment to buy but... not all in yet Wink
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These Bitcorn prices aren't making any sense.

I'm starting to get the fear.

Fuck.

Not good.

Not good at all.
No need to get worried until <2k. So far we're just repeating the same old same old.
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Address: 1EBHA1ckUWzNKN7BMfDwGTx6GKEbADUozX

Seems like an old hodler moving his bitcorns.
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whip up one of your special loads Bob, you'll feel better

Are you offering yourself as tribute ?!??? (Please say no. I don't want to have to put you through that. I like you. No-homo.)
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December 03, 2018, 07:51:12 PM

If you are poor you should be saving instead of borrowing.

People that really "needs" the money, should never, ever borrow the money.

Enough rant.... I am open for criticism.

Nothing in this world allows you the increase your financial stability, your profits and your social status like borrowing a hella amount of money.

Though of course you must be smart about what you do with the investments.

I just borrowed 250k€, that's about 7 years of salary for me. The interests are basically 0 if you take inflation into consideration so that's basically just me borrowing to my future self to increase my current income ^^

If I could borrow 4M€ I would Cheesy

What is your timeline on paying back the loan?   

So your wager would be that bitcoin is going to perform better than your loan for the term of the loan or at least not perform so bad that you are not able to pay back the loan at the end of the term.


It does not sound like a great idea, but if you are buying BTC now (with the proceeds of a loan), then it seems better than buying at higher prices - even $6k or $10k or $17k... But still risky.
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