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Question: Oct. 23 Closing Price:
<$8,000 - 2 (3%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 0 (0%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 0 (0%)
$9,000-$9,500 - 0 (0%)
$9,500-$10,000 - 0 (0%)
$10,000-$10,500 - 1 (1.5%)
$10,500-$11,000 - 0 (0%)
$11,000-$11,500 - 3 (4.5%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 5 (7.6%)
$12,000-$12,500 - 16 (24.2%)
$12,500-$13,000 - 12 (18.2%)
$13,000-$13,500 - 8 (12.1%)
$13,500-$14,000 - 5 (7.6%)
>$14,000 - 14 (21.2%)
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Why all this suddenly monero love?

I think Moneró wallets are too problematic. At least they were few years ago, last time I checked. I sold mine because i couldn't find a good working Monero wallet.

I hear they have better wallets now, but noew I am trying to keep my portfolio simple

Monero sucks.

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December 02, 2018, 01:02:23 AM

He hasn't said anything new all year. It's all the same spam recycled.

For some reason, I just realized you capitulated on your hat stance. Bullish
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Google Searches for ‘Bitcoin’ Just Hit Their Highest Level Since April

https://www.coindesk.com/google-searches-for-bitcoin-just-hit-their-highest-level-since-april

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Google Searches for ‘Bitcoin’ Just Hit Their Highest Level Since April

https://www.coindesk.com/google-searches-for-bitcoin-just-hit-their-highest-level-since-april

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Just woke up middle of a starting drunk sleep to merit the BULLgoogleSEARCHindicator
Back into hodlsleep
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Put your affairs in order lads.

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Billionaires and millionaires in the U.S. are arranging loans to have funds readily available so they won’t have to sell off investments in the event of an economic downturn, according to Jim Steiner, head of Wells Fargo & Co.’s ultra-high-net-worth business.

“They always want to have lines in place for if markets do turn down and they get capital calls on private investments,” Steiner, who leads Wells Fargo’s Abbot Downing unit, said Monday in a Bloomberg Television interview. “They want to be able to make those capital calls through use of the line as opposed to basically selling equities in the public markets.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-26/billionaires-are-leveraging-up-in-case-of-downturn-banker-says
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December 02, 2018, 01:11:19 AM
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http://merltech.org/blockchain-for-international-development-using-a-learning-agenda-to-address-knowledge-gaps/
tl;dr zero success rate in blockchain for development lol lol lol we coulda told you that 5 years ago oh wait we did
piece is admirably dry though


The basic understanding of blockchain that I attempt to explain to others is:

Bitcoin "the coin" is used to transact information within the distributed ledger. Bitcoin is the reward given to the parties that compete to keep the distributed ledger honest. The reward may be exchanged for fiat or other crypto-currency if the party does not wish to use the Bitcoin to create its own ledger entries.
Bitcoin is self-fulfilling in that, one(the ledger) requires the other (the coin). The fee that is generally required to move data or encoded information into the distributed ledger is what gives the Bitcoin its value.

The main reason many companies give up on blockchain technology is because they are lost when it comes to what makes a blockchain secure and/or distributed. If the blockchain they deploy is internalized(private) it offers no monetary advantage; why not just use a centralized database instead? 
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December 02, 2018, 01:21:40 AM

Google Searches for ‘Bitcoin’ Just Hit Their Highest Level Since April

https://www.coindesk.com/google-searches-for-bitcoin-just-hit-their-highest-level-since-april

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Do you guys know any long term data/chart available comparing bitcoin google searches- and price development?
I only found this hidden behind a paywall https://www.nber.org/papers/w24877

It was discussed here https://www.coindesk.com/google-search-can-predict-bitcoin-price-increases-study-finds

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Notably, this study incorporates data from consumer activity on search forums such as Google and social media sites such as Twitter. It found that a standard deviation increase in searches for keywords such as “bitcoin” forecasted a small increase in the token’s price in the following weeks.

On average, a single standard deviation increase in the keyword search lead to a 2.75 percent price increase, according to the report.

Similarly, a standard deviation increase in Twitter post counts resulted in a 2.5 percent increase in bitcoin’s price.
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December 02, 2018, 01:29:55 AM

He hasn't said anything new all year. It's all the same spam recycled.

Someone has to handle you scamcoiner's lies.  All you do is sit here and lie almost every day.  You were even pretending earlier libertardianism actually exists when all it is is a power vacuum that lasts for a split second before being taken over by a strongman.  The definition of a nation is a people of shared heritage (genes), culture, and experience.  Libertardianism is mostly a weakening and destabilization scheme identical to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, just with a different name.  

Libertardians and anarchists are always nothing more than useful idiots used to try and weaken nations for an external or (((foreign))) actor to attack them:

"6. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears; the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism."


"14. In any State in which there is a bad organization of authority, an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of liberalism, I find a new right - to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all institutions and to become the sovereign lord of those who have left to us the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism."
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December 02, 2018, 01:32:21 AM

Google Searches for ‘Bitcoin’ Just Hit Their Highest Level Since April

https://www.coindesk.com/google-searches-for-bitcoin-just-hit-their-highest-level-since-april

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Do you guys know any long term data/chart available comparing bitcoin google searches- and price development?
I only found this hidden behind a paywall https://www.nber.org/papers/w24877

It was discussed here https://www.coindesk.com/google-search-can-predict-bitcoin-price-increases-study-finds

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Notably, this study incorporates data from consumer activity on search forums such as Google and social media sites such as Twitter. It found that a standard deviation increase in searches for keywords such as “bitcoin” forecasted a small increase in the token’s price in the following weeks.

On average, a single standard deviation increase in the keyword search lead to a 2.75 percent price increase, according to the report.

Similarly, a standard deviation increase in Twitter post counts resulted in a 2.5 percent increase in bitcoin’s price.

Data/information is only as good as its source. Highest level being 15, not bullish. Edit: Bitcoin Cash has a "16".  Cheesy



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December 02, 2018, 01:41:18 AM

Put your affairs in order lads.

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Billionaires and millionaires in the U.S. are arranging loans to have funds readily available so they won’t have to sell off investments in the event of an economic downturn, according to Jim Steiner, head of Wells Fargo & Co.’s ultra-high-net-worth business.

“They always want to have lines in place for if markets do turn down and they get capital calls on private investments,” Steiner, who leads Wells Fargo’s Abbot Downing unit, said Monday in a Bloomberg Television interview. “They want to be able to make those capital calls through use of the line as opposed to basically selling equities in the public markets.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-26/billionaires-are-leveraging-up-in-case-of-downturn-banker-says

If you can take out a loan on your capital it means you don't have to pay capital gains taxes since you never sold for a profit.
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He hasn't said anything new all year. It's all the same spam recycled.

For some reason, I just realized you capitulated on your hat stance. Bullish

 Yes but he put up one helluva good resistance; fought the good fight as it were.  



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December 02, 2018, 01:43:39 AM

If you can take out a loan on your capital it means you don't have to pay capital gains taxes since you never sold for a profit.

Which is why Bitcoin secured loans can be attractive instruments, used wisely.  No tax.  But don't fuck up and get liquidated and watch your interest charges. 
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Put your affairs in order lads.

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Billionaires and millionaires in the U.S. are arranging loans to have funds readily available so they won’t have to sell off investments in the event of an economic downturn, according to Jim Steiner, head of Wells Fargo & Co.’s ultra-high-net-worth business.

“They always want to have lines in place for if markets do turn down and they get capital calls on private investments,” Steiner, who leads Wells Fargo’s Abbot Downing unit, said Monday in a Bloomberg Television interview. “They want to be able to make those capital calls through use of the line as opposed to basically selling equities in the public markets.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-26/billionaires-are-leveraging-up-in-case-of-downturn-banker-says

If you can take out a loan on your capital it means you don't have to pay capital gains taxes since you never sold for a profit.

 Would it be possible to get a forgivable loan and not pay capital gains taxes?
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Put your affairs in order lads.

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Billionaires and millionaires in the U.S. are arranging loans to have funds readily available so they won’t have to sell off investments in the event of an economic downturn, according to Jim Steiner, head of Wells Fargo & Co.’s ultra-high-net-worth business.

“They always want to have lines in place for if markets do turn down and they get capital calls on private investments,” Steiner, who leads Wells Fargo’s Abbot Downing unit, said Monday in a Bloomberg Television interview. “They want to be able to make those capital calls through use of the line as opposed to basically selling equities in the public markets.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-26/billionaires-are-leveraging-up-in-case-of-downturn-banker-says

If you can take out a loan on your capital it means you don't have to pay capital gains taxes since you never sold for a profit.

 Would it be possible to get a forgivable loan and not pay capital gains taxes?


I am guessing that forgiving the loan would trigger a taxable event.  But why not repay the loan in BTC. 

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Bullish

Bloomberg says Bitcoin on the way to zero.  Keep it up. 

https://twitter.com/business/status/1069044907854094336?s=20
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If you can take out a loan on your capital it means you don't have to pay capital gains taxes since you never sold for a profit.

And you've just uncovered one reason why bitcoin is completely useless.  Imaginary, valueless tokens are impossible to act as collateral for anything.  What's worse is that it's not even possible to legally define what the fuck a bitcoin is in the first place for contract law because someone can just randomly exert more hashpower and change the rules of what it is.  Then it's entirely arbitrary whether you owe the other party the previous token that's non-fungible at best, or completely incompatible at worst.  Segwit tokens for instance are non-fungible with previous tokens because it alters the security model no matter how many people lie about it and pretend it doesn't.

Gold and silver = actually functions as collateral because no dumbass in their basement or Chinese mining monopoly can randomly fork them into something else against your wishes.  If you look at them then turn away, you don't have to worry that they will be something entirely different when you look back at them again.  Traits like this are required for something to be money and to function in contracts.
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Put your affairs in order lads.

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Billionaires and millionaires in the U.S. are arranging loans to have funds readily available so they won’t have to sell off investments in the event of an economic downturn, according to Jim Steiner, head of Wells Fargo & Co.’s ultra-high-net-worth business.

“They always want to have lines in place for if markets do turn down and they get capital calls on private investments,” Steiner, who leads Wells Fargo’s Abbot Downing unit, said Monday in a Bloomberg Television interview. “They want to be able to make those capital calls through use of the line as opposed to basically selling equities in the public markets.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-26/billionaires-are-leveraging-up-in-case-of-downturn-banker-says

If you can take out a loan on your capital it means you don't have to pay capital gains taxes since you never sold for a profit.

 Would it be possible to get a forgivable loan and not pay capital gains taxes?


I am guessing that forgiving the loan would trigger a taxable event.  But why not repay the loan in BTC.  



 Interest-free and forgivable on the date of my death - tbd?
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Uhh who is going to lend to you on those terms?  
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