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[realr0ach]

The basis of human interaction in trade is barter. I give you some type of object you want for what I want.  Since humans adopted specialization of labor, they started to use an intermediary, Macguffin-like instrument to reduce friction of trade.  There is no guarantee this Macguffin instrument will ever be redeemable for anything of value.  In fact, anything of zero intrinsic value to humans will inevitably return to that exact value and be unredeemable for anything.

This is why Aristotle said the only stable form of money is a commodity currency of intrinsic value (to human civilizations) and why Plato was wrong.  If the Macguffin has no intrinsic value, it's simply a system of faith and faith collapses.  If you're using a real commodity currency, it's value can go up or down, but it's not possible for it to implode to nothingness and bring down the ENTIRE SYSTEM.

There's a lot of stupid fucks on this forum, and they think I'm joking, but the simple fact that humans were led astray off this sustainable path of metals as commodity money might mean when the paper currency collapses, it could cause a dark ages that humans never recover from and everyone goes back to the stone ages.  Or will we go back to metals as money once again with some great upheavel in between.  We'll see.  A fake commodity currency - imaginary, valueless crypto-tokens, are zero difference from fiat paper in the above scenario.  They would implode to zero and cause the same problem.

Did you or did you not make profit on BTC & swapped it for a "real commodity" such as silver? There is your barter right there.
And please stop the contradiction between Plato & Aristotle. They all have their opinion with outdated data. Welcome to the present.

There is nothing outdated about the Plato vs Aristotle argument on money.  It applies now just as then.  And since you're unable to read between the lines here, and what inevitably happens to imaginary tokens of no value whether it's fiat or bitcoins, trading bitcoins for metals is simply the act of exiting the house of cards before it falls over.  

The value of a bitcoin started at zero, and on a long enough timeline it's going to be zero again.  Anyone who disagrees with that statement is an obvious con artist.  It's only a question of what is the duration of start to finish.  When it's so obvious that is the case, you're required to be a scammer in the first place to even promote it as a solution when there are superior instruments already existing (physical metals) that do not suffer such problems.

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[bitserve]

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Awesome!! As always!

[realr0ach]

If anyone wants to see something cool, a rat experiment that supports natzee ideology.  Or rather, the idea animals that don't practice a self-regulated form of lebensraum (K-selection) are doomed to self destruct.  In the context of humans, it would mean K-selection groups (whites and asians) would need to wipe out R-selection groups (blacks, mexicans, etc) to prevent the entire species from imploding.

The first experiment highly resembling current day civilization:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun#Mouse_experiments

And the results of when rats perform self-regulated lebensraum (K-selection):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun#Early_rat_studies

[Last of the V8s]

So @slammielayer

Hello Vastly Lates

hmm strange lol. stings a little

[Cryptotourist]

There is nothing outdated about the Plato vs Aristotle argument on money.  It applies now just as then.  And since you're unable to read between the lines here, and what inevitably happens to imaginary tokens of no value whether it's fiat or bitcoins, trading bitcoins for metals is simply the act of exiting the house of cards before it falls over. 

The value of a bitcoin started at zero, and on a long enough timeline it's going to be zero again.  Anyone who disagrees with that statement is an obvious con artist.  It's only a question of what is the duration of start to finish.  When it's so obvious that is the case, it's sort of required to be a scammer in the first place to even promote it as a solution when there are superior instruments already existing (physical metals) that do not suffer such problems.

r0achie I was born to read between the lines mate.
BTW I wrote outdated DATA on which their thesis was based, not their arguments.
But opinions are like butt holes - we all have one - and surely that doesn't make someone a con artist.

Your failure to see things for what they are is amazing.
Likewise the value of gold was once zero. Cavemen did not give a fuck. Nor they will - should they ever exist again.
Get real r0ach. I do get the bipolar sarcasm of your username. Love your new bipolar schizo themed avatar also.

I rather prefer Sun Tzu's guidelines of the Art Of War applied to modern economics for example.

[Last of the V8s]

in re bitcoin

  bearish?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-03/tesla-stock-on-a-blockchain-offers-hint-of-where-crypto-s-headed
assclownish

[realr0ach]

I rather prefer Sun Tzu's guidelines of the Art Of War applied to modern economics for example.

Chinese philosophy is way fucking overrated compared to ancient Greeks, Romans, or even some modern day stuff you might find on someone's blog.  Sun Tzu?  Chinese proverbs?  Give me a break.  "Wait long enough and the body of your opponent will float down the river before you".  LOL.  Well, no shit Sherlock, assuming you're immortal and he's not.  

And if the lesson is supposed to be entirely indirect and just "be patient", then why am I suffering through a bunch of illegible, bullshit proverbs to get to that point?  Why wouldn't I simply skip the inefficient proverbs and parables and go to OCS or the army war college instead while learning more in less time wasted?  That's the beauty of the Chinese proverb.  They're extremely vague, so even if you're an idiot saying something of no substance, maybe someone will take it in an entirely different manner and then you can pretend to be wise.

Meanwhile, everything the westerners are saying is roughly one hundred times more concise, making it far easier to sort out the good from the bad.

[Last of the V8s]

^do you intend to regurgitate all of trilema through your mental illness filter? we may be here some time.

[realr0ach]

^Do you intend to pretend a dumpster website named Trilemma has any relevance to anything?

[bitserve]

He doesn't even know how to read Sun Tzu *sigh*

[realr0ach]

He doesn't even know how to read Sun Tzu *sigh*

Bullshit.  I explained Chinese proverbs and parables are simply an inefficient way of teaching when the western way is one hundred times more concise.

[luckygenough56]

in re bitcoin

   bearish?

That cheap rise on low volume certainly didn't give me confidence...we'll see, bitcoin has done weirdest things in the past.

[Last of the V8s]

in re bitcoin

  bearish?

That cheap rise on low volume certainly didn't gave me confidence...we'll see, bitcoin has done weirdest things in the past.

bulls trying to excuse it: 'oh low vol's meant to happen to fulfil the inv h&s meme'

[bitserve]

More concise than a fucking oneliner? The "western way" would be a JJG style explanation that in the end wouldn't even capture the essence of wisdom as well as Sun Tzu does.

[realr0ach]

Is anyone here good at math?  I'm trying to figure out if Last of the v8 shitcoin shills has a case or not in having any type of influence in the world?

[realr0ach]

Also, the one thing that really bothers me about Trilema is that it's clearly some deranged guy trying to engineer a cult of personality and have people worship him, much like how our favorite arsonist lunatic rpietila attempted to do the same thing before he went from moderately insane to completely insane.  I'm not down for such primitive, Freudian, prison-homosexual style in nature, exert my will on others to prove I am powerful, games.

[Ibian]

I prefer the wisdom of the north. Very matter of fact.

[Cryptotourist]

Chinese philosophy is way fucking overrated compared to ancient Greeks, Romans, or even some modern day stuff you might find on someone's blog.  Sun Tzu?  Chinese proverbs?  Give me a break.  "Wait long enough and the body of your opponent will float down the river before you".  LOL.  Well, no shit Sherlock, assuming you're immortal and he's not.  

And if the lesson is supposed to be entirely indirect and just "be patient", then why am I suffering through a bunch of illegible, bullshit proverbs to get to that point?  Why wouldn't I simply skip the inefficient proverbs and parables and go to OCS or the army war college instead while learning more in less time wasted?  That's the beauty of the Chinese proverb.  They're extremely vague, so even if you're an idiot saying something of no substance, maybe someone will take it in an entirely different manner and then you can pretend to be wise.

Meanwhile, everything the westerners are saying is roughly one hundred times more concise, making it far easier to sort out the good from the bad.

Do you have any sense of art what so ever?
I take it you are not an Aikido/Kendo fan

Sun Tzu proved to be one of the greatest military minds the world has ever seen. Like Alexander. Only the later did not write about it.
Both of course actually proved beyond doubt their positions, instead of just TA-ing about them.

Also, the one thing that really bothers me about Trilema is that it's clearly some deranged guy trying to engineer a cult of personality and have people worship him, much like how our favorite arsonist lunatic rpietila attempted to do the same thing before he went from moderately insane to completely insane.  I'm not down for such primitive, Freudian, prison-homosexual style in nature, exert my will on others to prove I am powerful, games.

& the shit hit the fan! Take the red pill ASAP

[realr0ach]

Also, the one thing that really bothers me about Trilema is that it's clearly some deranged guy trying to engineer a cult of personality and have people worship him, much like how our favorite arsonist lunatic rpietila attempted to do the same thing before he went from moderately insane to completely insane.  I'm not down for such primitive, Freudian, prison-homosexual style in nature, exert my will on others to prove I am powerful, games.

& the shit hit the fan! Take the red pill ASAP

I have more important matters to attend to like expelling the evil cult of Judaism rather than trying to help some random lunatic fufill his pointless fantasy of creating his own peronsal cult.

[Last of the V8s]

Nice hangout you got going there.
I can recommend some excellent devs if you need help with all those bots.
Alexa, why is Bezos so frightened by Mr Popescu and the republic of bitcoiners, but helps the fiat government pump up 'the data'?