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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 8 (5.8%)
H2 2019 - 15 (10.8%)
H1 2020 - 26 (18.7%)
H2 2020 - 26 (18.7%)
H1 2021 - 11 (7.9%)
H2 2021 - 27 (19.4%)
H1 2022 - 6 (4.3%)
H2 2022 - 4 (2.9%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 2 (1.4%)
2024 or Later - 14 (10.1%)
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January 05, 2019, 11:14:48 AM

so r0ach, fair question, are you that big of a winner in life?

Are you not intelligent enough to figure out it's not possible to create a decentralized digital currency at all?  That transaction validators are always designed to centralize in every single one, and the only possible endgame of a digital currency will be an enslavement tool controlled by the govt resembling the Chinese social credit score system?  

Even if transaction validators weren't designed to centralize (an impossible hurdle to fix), the simple act of tokens being non-fungible would still give you that result.  You need to be a flat out drooling idiot to shill for imaginary, valueless, digital tracking tokens over physical metals.  Why do you think people like Ben Bernanke and Larry Summers promote them?  This thread and the entire cryptocurrency industry is composed of 1/2 dumbasses and 1/2 people who would sell their soul to the devil for a nickel.

Soooooo, your the only smart guy in a whole thread with i don't know how many members??

Most humans are compartmentalized, retard savants only good at doing a small subset of tasks due to human specialization of labor.  Yea, there are some 'well-trained' retard savants on the forum who are good at some random thing like assembly, but being good at assembly doesn't convey universal knowledge about everything.  

Probably the main reason these people you make believe are smart get this subject so wrong is due to the god complex most programmers have.  They make believe any problem can just be coded around and that there's no such thing as an unsolvable problem.  I used to believe the same thing about bitcoin, as well as people like Anonymint.  Then I started noticing things like it doesn't even solve the Byzantine generals problem; they attempted to change the syntax to "bitcoin solves a form of the Byzantine generals problem" to try and somewhat cover up this inconvenient truth.

Then from there I said it's really not possible to create a decentralized digital currency and attempting to hard code a fixed number of transaction validators (the crap Dan Larimer does) would probably be the only half ass thing that can come from any of this, but none of it is actually decentralized and has no purpose over metals.  Anonymint then started also posting it's not possible to create a decentralized digital currency, and even one of the founders of Zerohedge posted on here saying the only reason he reads the forum is to read posts from me + Anonymint.  

We have discussed these topics for years, and the only real argument left is that Anonymint claims he has some secret way to make a decentralized digital currency, but he really doesn't.  It's 100% impossible to make one.
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Just curious... What you guys would say is the probability YOU give to Bitcoin to be over $10.000 at any moment during the next 4 years? honestly.

100%

200%
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Yum, I made this.  Cheesy




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January 05, 2019, 11:30:50 AM

Just curious... What you guys would say is the probability YOU give to Bitcoin to be over $10.000 at any moment during the next 4 years? honestly.

100%

200%


As long as a Bread is still costing around 2-3 bucks and not a 1000 bucks Then its all fine by me.....
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January 05, 2019, 11:32:44 AM

Yum, I made this.  Cheesy






I spot Some high class cookery in the thread, Nice job man, also like the slippers with the stars there Grin

Very Nice saignant cooked Grin

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January 05, 2019, 11:38:12 AM

... but wtf is JJG?

VR type holidays, sponsored by BTC Tongue

Nice, I have not one, but TWO....bla bla bullshit.

Wow you've got me. You are so SMART!(not) Undecided

I explained my motive r0ach, so it's only yourself to blame.
I can read all day about you stuffing silver up your ass, but I cannot read your misanthropy misogyny posts. Not in here anyway.

Indulge us the favor & do fuck off.


Just curious... What you guys would say is the probability YOU give to Bitcoin to be over $10.000 at any moment during the next 4 years? honestly.
100%
200%
400% - it's exponential Grin
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Why do you think I'm here?  Roll Eyes

You don't need a reason to be here, but in this rather male place, you're welcome.  Mic is a one of the linchpins of this thread and well-liked.  As the lady who he has spoken of highly, you have an automatic AAA pass.

If you choose to stay and join in, you will do this place a service.  So don't feel a stranger among this band of eccentric vagabonds, although maybe get Mic to show you where the ignore button is, one or two people here are really not worth reading Wink

The AAA pass is an honour!
Thanks for the tip  Wink
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January 05, 2019, 12:16:41 PM

Just curious... What you guys would say is the probability YOU give to Bitcoin to be over $10.000 at any moment during the next 4 years? honestly.
100.1%
No, really. Even 100% would be way too much.

Really.

Next four years ? That's an eternity for Bitcorn.

Considering that the next block halving will occur before the next four years, it's simple math and supply/demand that we'll be above $10k before then.

I BELIEVE !!!
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January 05, 2019, 12:18:23 PM

20%-30% of not happening I will have to deal with that...

I am going to do the most risky bet of my life (which is not much to say as I am extremely conservative) based on that perception. Wish me luck Smiley

I will probably be ok even if I am wrong or things doesn't happen as I do expect as the most probable outcome.

Careful.   We may go much lower in the interim.  Do not put yourself in a position where you are overinvested and feel you have to cut your losses.  Only invest what you are prepared to hold firmly until well after next halvening.  

If you want to be conservative, wait until we break the long term bear line.  2014 suggests we will break it around this price level in October 2019.  

I was clearly overinvested  in Q4 2017. I can hodl it all right now.

I am just going to morgtage again, for second time in my life, for another property that I feel it is clearly well under market price. My regular income cannot cover it, but I do have enough FIAT savings to pay it for almost 10 years even with no income and without having to sell my Bitcoins.

I guess the worst that it could happen is that I would need to sell the property (probably for more than I am buying it)

As I said I am extremely conservative, but it is more risky bet I have ever made in my life. Wouldn't like to have to sell my Bitcoins at a "bad price". But I can perfectly hodl for 5+ years no matter what.

It's just that I thought I would never buy anything on debt/mortgage again (already paid my main home).... but sometimes you don't have any choice if you don't want to miss the train.

If Bitcoin pumps sometime in the next 5 years I will have made the best decision in my life. If it doesn't, I will probably have to sell the property. Hopefully not losing any money, but it will be a failure for me.

Sorry to go into granular details, but if your income cannot support that second (presumably larger) property, how do you know that they will give you a loan?
Based on what? Your savings? Last time I refi, they were real bastards about everything.



Good question. I will ask my father to endorse (is that the right word when a person gets responsible if I don't pay?) me. He (and the bank) knows I have another fully paid property (which is slightly more expensive btw), I ALSO have enough fiat savings to cover more than half of the price of the second one (not counting Bitcoin). Plus the appraisal of the property will probably show way higher value than buying value.

I assume that's enough to approve the loan. I am in a WAY better position than last (first) time, which I already finished paying after 20 years.


I know you recently, but you seem responsible  Cool, but do not involve your father in this financial operation, banks are like the devil.

My father is rich very wealthy. I am not. I don't need to (financially) worry about him. I only need to worry about the outrageous (people don't get rich by being dumb) conditions he will put on me. I have had a first call with him, after the initial no, he called me back to tell me he is going to consider it because he realises it is a clear "trade". Wish me luck Smiley
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January 05, 2019, 12:25:37 PM

Just curious... What you guys would say is the probability YOU give to Bitcoin to be over $10.000 at any moment during the next 4 years? honestly.
100.1%
No, really. Even 100% would be way too much.

Really.

Next four years ? That's an eternity for Bitcorn.

Considering that the next block halving will occur before the next four years, it's simple math and supply/demand that we'll be above $10k before then.

I BELIEVE !!!

Yeah but 100% doesn't exist in anything. Otherwise you would just sell everything and put it into Bitcoin again. Let's just say you consider a 95% chance? That is still a fucking awesome asymmetric bet!
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January 05, 2019, 12:25:53 PM

Just curious... What you guys would say is the probability YOU give to Bitcoin to be over $10.000 at any moment during the next 4 years? honestly.
100.1%
No, really. Even 100% would be way too much.

Really.

Next four years ? That's an eternity for Bitcorn.

Considering that the next block halving will occur before the next four years, it's simple math and supply/demand that we'll be above $10k before then.

I BELIEVE !!!

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BOB, i think many just wanna be careful with their predictions after 2018....
But i say, things like above here Will look like Jokes when BTC crushes all marketcaps of whatever what.
Increase stashes while their on the cheap Grin
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January 05, 2019, 12:26:18 PM

Are you not intelligent enough to <.....> composed of 1/2 dumbasses and 1/2 people who would sell their soul to the devil for a nickel.



Most humans are compartmentalized, retard savants <....>.



You remind me of Zed r0achie, hope you meet your Marcelo one day.
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January 05, 2019, 12:27:04 PM

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Some think 100% for very real, cause Some are real ALL IN with BTC......
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January 05, 2019, 12:29:34 PM

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Some think 100% for very real, cause Some are real ALL IN with BTC......

Besides maybe Elwar, most people here are not really ALL IN. And IIRC Elwar sold a good part of his stash at around $5000. Maybe he rebought later though.
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January 05, 2019, 12:30:40 PM

I just like HM predictions for 2022 the most Grin
Only his this year predictions i don’t like so much, but on the other hand really respect his work and sober insight on BTC, one need to have this and be prepared for everything especially this year, i think we could have a BULmarket like a fingersnap, and have Some lower lows as well, so HODL is the most easy, and buy and keep buying if it drops

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January 05, 2019, 12:33:07 PM

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Some think 100% for very real, cause Some are real ALL IN with BTC......

Besides maybe Elwar, most people here are not really ALL IN. And IIRC Elwar sold a good part of his stash at around $5000. Maybe he rebought later though.

Not in here Maybe, but for me is being 90% BTC and 10% for living like really all in and i know people like that, of course not to much Roll Eyes

Also on Belgium news there is that Holland Guy sold everything house etc for BTC, and live in a trailer ever since....
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January 05, 2019, 12:35:21 PM

My father is rich very wealthy. I am not. I don't need to (financially) worry about him. I only need to worry about the outrageous (people don't get rich by being dumb) conditions he will put on me. I have had a first call with him, after the initial no, he called me back to tell me he is going to consider it because he realises it is a clear "trade". Wish me luck Smiley

So, perfect, good luck.! Wink
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January 05, 2019, 12:42:19 PM

@bitserve

Some think 100% for very real, cause Some are real ALL IN with BTC......

Besides maybe Elwar, most people here are not really ALL IN. And IIRC Elwar sold a good part of his stash at around $5000. Maybe he rebought later though.

Not in here Maybe, but for me is being 90% BTC and 10% for living like really all in and i know people like that, of course not to much Roll Eyes

Also on Belgium news there is that Holland Guy sold everything house etc for BTC, and live in a trailer ever since....


But you have your home I assume? So not 100% see? Maybe not even that 90% you say Smiley

Or you really mean 90% of your net worth is on Bitcoin at CURRENT price? (No need to answer of course)

The holland guy yeah, that sounds like being almost 100% in... if everything is true and he doesn't have anything else.

Elwar also sold his home and put it all into Bitcoin. So he was sorta all in. But at that time he had (presumably) an awesome salary too so not really risking it all in the bet. His back was well covered... the bet ended being perfectly good and he retired but if it had not, his back was well covered.
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January 05, 2019, 12:51:59 PM

but I cannot read your misanthropy misogyny posts. Not in here anyway.

So you're either a cuck or female, of which, both of their opinions are worthless.  There's no "misogyny", simply an imbalance of nature where a bunch of dumb bimbos have managed to claw an ever increasing, unreasonable amount of power for themselves away from the natural order.  

Take the ridiculous Ocasio Cortez video on the news this morning of her dancing around in a circle like a fool.  If it was a man acting in that manner, they would be labeled either gay, a large child, a narcissist, a fool, or all of the above.  We are simply removing the double standards so Ocasio Cortez can be correctly labeled as some type of emotionally retarded, large child, narcissist fool just like a man would be.  Enjoy equality!

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January 05, 2019, 01:02:27 PM

Really.

Next four years ? That's an eternity for Bitcorn.

Considering that the next block halving will occur before the next four years, it's simple math and supply/demand that we'll be above $10k before then.

I BELIEVE !!!

We’ll be over $10,000 at worst case scenario end of 2020.
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