Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[fillippone]

Anyways... wake me up when 1BTC != 1BTC. That will be really interesting.

Slightly off topic:

A math meme that is funny rather than stupid:
Solve carefully!
     230 - 220 x 0.5 =

You probably won't believe it, but the answer is 5!

Source:

*SPOILER ALERT*
https://twitter.com/3j0hn/status/913447235534315520

It is 120 for me
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Correct!

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Btw, 1 USD = 1 USD. So what?

1 USD =/= 1 USD due to money printing.

Wrong. You are talking about relative value here. If so, then 1BTC != 1BTC too.

And that not even considering forks and some other shit........

Relative value comes from supply and demand. Central banks are not just devaluing currency with the printing press, they are functionally changing and corroding it.

It's as if they had the power to make your computer worse just by printing some more, which is obviously not the case for computers. Yes, the relative value of computers changes if you shit out a lot of them, due to basic supply and demand.

They do however retain the same absolute functionality no matter how many there are.

This is not the case with fiat currency. If you print too much of it fiat loses all of its functionality as money and this happens on a gradient, e.g. the more you print the more useless your currency becomes.

If you create an infinite amount of computers the only thing that will happen is that everybody will be able to have a pretty nice tool.

[jbreher]

A math meme that is funny rather than stupid:
Solve carefully!
     230 - 220 x 0.5 =

You probably won't believe it, but the answer is 5!

Maths iz hard.

Nope, I don't believe it.

[Elwar]

Consider the halving.

Some people always throw out the idea that if the miners start getting paid half of their reward then mining will end. Well, the scenario they pose is that enough miners stop mining that the few remaining miners cannot mine a block for weeks.

The miners are now getting half of the value they were just last week.

[smartcomet]

Holding is so f**k hard.

don't want to scared WOers, just an alert.

https://twitter.com/Austen/status/1238614012205494277

Today’s economic crisis vs 2008.

Much faster, nowhere near as severe yet.

[infofront]

A math meme that is funny rather than stupid:
Solve carefully!
     230 - 220 x 0.5 =

You probably won't believe it, but the answer is 5!

Maths iz hard.

Nope, I don't believe it.

This is millennial math, where every answer is right as long as you can explain it. And everyone gets an 'A'.

[Biodom]

Consider the halving.

Some people always throw out the idea that if the miners start getting paid half of their reward then mining will end. Well, the scenario they pose is that enough miners stop mining that the few remaining miners cannot mine a block for weeks.

The miners are now getting half of the value they were just last week.

...and?

hash rate shows about 6% decline in 7-day average.

[DaRude]

A math meme that is funny rather than stupid:
Solve carefully!
     230 - 220 x 0.5 =

You probably won't believe it, but the answer is 5!

Maths iz hard.

Nope, I don't believe it.

It is 5! you better believe it

[d_eddie]

A math meme that is funny rather than stupid:
Solve carefully!
     230 - 220 x 0.5 =

You probably won't believe it, but the answer is 5!

Maths iz hard.

Nope, I don't believe it.

5! = 120

[ChuckBuck]

I was just trying to be funny.  I fully understand why people would rather make money Bitcoin than wear a silly hat.

No, nothing silly here, it's a great hat, I'm the one who wanted it, I asked you to do it for me and I like it. I just didn't take it for a short time. Recently, I had huge losses when trading and when bitcoin went down, I thought I should take some advertising money in my free time here, to offset 

I felt so dirty when I had to, feel so relieved now!

Just some campaigns let you be free with avatars, I haven't had the chance to join a campaign like you yet  Anyway, don't talk about campaigns here, I just want to say that I want to wear my hat if I can 
Guys, disease outbreak (Corona virus) is happening in most countries, please be careful of your health. Fortunately, I am working in Vietnam, only a few cases up to now, still safe to work.

[Biodom]

Holding is so f**k hard.

don't want to scared WOers, just an alert.

https://twitter.com/Austen/status/1238614012205494277

Today’s economic crisis vs 2008.

Much faster, nowhere near as severe yet.

Before today's 10% rise (aka yesterday) I was thinking that we would decline 50% (SP500 at 1696) in the first wave (a month or so), then claw back 61.8 % of that decline in 3-4 mo (to 2743). After that, hopefully, flat. Now, I am not so sure what would happen. Decided to not do any moves for now.
Curiously, TSLA did not join the fray today. Perhaps, whichever whale or whales was/were long that stock he/they finally sold it and TSLA is "free" to go down.

[bitserve]

Btw, 1 USD = 1 USD. So what?

1 USD =/= 1 USD due to money printing.

Wrong. You are talking about relative value here. If so, then 1BTC != 1BTC too.

And that not even considering forks and some other shit........

Relative value comes from supply and demand. Central banks are not just devaluing currency with the printing press, they are functionally changing and corroding it.

It's as if they had the power to make your computer worse just by printing some more, which is obviously not the case for computers. Yes, the relative value of computers changes if you shit out a lot of them, due to basic supply and demand.

They do however retain the same absolute functionality no matter how many there are.

This is not the case with fiat currency. If you print too much of it fiat loses all of its functionality as money and this happens on a gradient, e.g. the more you print the more useless your currency becomes.

If you create an infinite amount of computers the only thing that will happen is that everybody will be able to have a pretty nice tool.

Some of those points are strictly true and some are arguable. Anyways, no matter how many differences you can enumerate between USD and BTC... those are all inherent characteristics of each USD and BTC. And considering all those differential characteristics still 1 USD = 1 USD and 1 BTC = 1 BTC.

Unless you are comparing 1 USD that is not really a USD (with its inherent government controlled inflation) and a different USD (like, I donno, one that is completely different?). But that would the same than comparing one Bitcoin (BTC) to one Bitcoin (Bcash lol). They are different things, so the equal thing is not really valid even if some people might try to argue they are.

Anyways none of this really matter...

As a maths guy, can you say 1BTC = 1BTC and, at the same time and for similar reasons, say that 1 USD != 1 USD?

And... even if you can (wtf?) do you really think that is a good moto to use to show the differential advantages of BTC? I think it is a completely ridiculous one. Btw, 1BSV = 1BSV too.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Btw, 1 USD = 1 USD. So what?

1 USD =/= 1 USD due to money printing.

Wrong. You are talking about relative value here. If so, then 1BTC != 1BTC too.

And that not even considering forks and some other shit........

Relative value comes from supply and demand. Central banks are not just devaluing currency with the printing press, they are functionally changing and corroding it.

It's as if they had the power to make your computer worse just by printing some more, which is obviously not the case for computers. Yes, the relative value of computers changes if you shit out a lot of them, due to basic supply and demand.

They do however retain the same absolute functionality no matter how many there are.

This is not the case with fiat currency. If you print too much of it fiat loses all of its functionality as money and this happens on a gradient, e.g. the more you print the more useless your currency becomes.

If you create an infinite amount of computers the only thing that will happen is that everybody will be able to have a pretty nice tool.

Some of those points are strictly true and some are arguable. Anyways, no matter how many differences you can enumerate between USD and BTC... those are all inherent characteristics of each USD and BTC. And considering all those differential characteristics still 1 USD = 1 USD and 1 BTC = 1 BTC.

Unless you are comparing 1 USD that is not really a USD (with its inherent government controlled inflation) and a different USD (like, I donno, one that is completely different?). But that would the same than comparing one Bitcoin (BTC) to one Bitcoin (Bcash lol). They are different things, so the equal thing is not really valid even if some people might try to argue they are.

Anyways none of this really matter...

As a maths guy, can you say 1BTC = 1BTC and, at the same time and for similar reasons, say that 1 USD != 1 USD?

And... even if you can (wtf?) do you really think that is a good moto to use to show the differential advantages of BTC? I think it is a completely ridiculous one. Btw, 1BSV = 1BSV too.

Again, USD changes functionally while BTC does not. The latter is 100% predictable and reliable, the former is up to the whims of the printing press. What was 1 USD last week is no longer 1 USD today. And unlike with BTC that is not due to 'relative value' to other goods based on supply and demand.

Nobody would've been able to almost eradicate entire nations if BTC was the currency of choice, because the functionality is consistent and constant over time. Meanwhile with central banks and fiat currencies all it takes is some good old hyperinflation or complete loss of trust which turns fiat from money into useless paper.

The only way you can accurately argue $1 = $1 is if you refer to the paper and its specific print. As money this is untrue.

[bitserve]

Again, USD changes functionally while BTC does not. The latter is 100% predictable and reliable, the former is up to the whims of the printing press. What was 1 USD last week is no longer 1 USD today. And unlike with BTC that is not due to 'relative value' to other goods based on supply and demand.

Nobody would've been able to almost eradicate entire nations if BTC was the currency of choice, because the functionality is consistent and constant over time. Meanwhile with central banks and fiat currencies all it takes is some good old hyperinflation or complete loss of trust which turns fiat from money into useless paper.

The only way you can accurately argue $1 = $1 is if you refer to the paper and its specific print. As money this is untrue.

Yes, I do agree with your comparison between BTC and USD. That's why I do like BTC.

But still...

1 USD (with its inherent shitty features, like unpredictable emission rate, risk of being turned into completely useless paper and whatever you want to add here) = 1 USD (with its inherent shitty features, like unpredictable emission rate, risk of being turned into completely useless paper and whatever you want to add here)

It's just an equal sign with both *IDENTICAL* values at each side of the equal sign. That shouldn't be debatable.

Like "cmqñljer=cmqñljer" where I don't know what "cmqñljer" really is, nor its characteristics, nor I do really care... but I can safely say that 1cmqñljer = 1 cmqñljer.

But... If I wanted to really explain its advantages I would focus on them instead of just saying that 1cmqñljer = 1 cmqñljer which I don't think is a very good argument to convince anyone. And the same applies to 1BTC = 1BTC.

Anyways, people will keep repeating it at each and every dump as some sort of miraculous Vodoo. I know. I will just have to live with it as I have done all this years

[JayJuanGee]

Sure, you are correct, Review Master, but miners can work at a loss for extended periods and also they will self-adjust their behavior and difficulty will adjust too... so miner costs and behavior will also adjust to the price.. to some degree..

Thanks for your supportive reply. But it's time to think about the sutiuation after the bitcoin halving. Before halving, it's sure that miner will definitely self-adjust. What will happend in the next , the cost of mining of one bitcoin will be double than now after bitcoin halving events and if the correction still going on & make a new bottom less than $3K . Than definitely , everyone will be worry about this. Also china has the most mining power of bitcoin and COVID-19 virus affect the whole economy as well as every country is lossing the connection to others. So it might be the upcoming worst thing in bitcoin history. So, pray for the affected person of covid-19 virus and hope that the nightmare of new bottom less than $3K never comes out.

At the end , i just want to thank all of those who are positive in this current situation and hodl their precious.

of course there is debate about whether miners follow BTC price or BTC price follows miner costs

yeah, i'm agree with this opinion.

I don't think that it matters if we are talking about before the halvening or after the halvening, individual miners are still making the same kinds of game theory calculations, and we have already seen two halvenings that largely resulted in ongoing increases in hashrate.

Sure there are proclamations of doom and gloom and even mining death spirals, but in the end, a lot of those doom and gloom assertions are just FUD spreading nonsense - and surprisingly that bitcoin continues to incentivize miners to direct their mining towards bitcoin, and if you either want to bet against bitcoin based on nonsense, or attempt to imply doom and gloom, then that is your choice.. it is just not logical unless you are merely pumping some nonsense narrative.

[Joe-Bloggs]

The virus is a worry. I originally overreacted and purchased 200 n100 masks, 4 pairs of swimming goggles and 10 entire boxes of 12 x250ml hand sanitizer, this expensive water filter big berky, 400 dollars worth of cans, pasta,cereals and rice. I have some weaponry and even a thermal scope that i traded for a weird modern art kind of picture a while back. Only used it one time with my friend to search for his dog that escaped at night.
If things get really bad I will do my best to survive the virus or civil unrest. I hope things will not get crazy and that in a few months we get back on track.
The only thing of any possible future value that you can protect easily is your private key. In my area I expect nobody would really even consider the residents would have such a thing. The other thing is, if I didn't make it out of this, then that's another 1.1 btc deflation.  
I do agree that when something like this happens, it does put investing and striving after an improved living standard into perspective. Although now I have a whole btc I am sitting here almost smug and happy. I don't even want to hear about covid19.
I finally become a member of the new wealthy elite in digital money   and we immediately get drive back to the barter system.

[JayJuanGee]

If I am allowed to post my prediction, BTC will go as down as 3500 USD within a week. Buying after that will be a good investment if you are into it for years.

Bitcoin is already a good investment.

There is no need to wait for a price (such as $3,500 that might not ever come).  Bitcoin already corrected 65% in such a short time that there is no need to wait for a further opportunity.

Of course, having a long investment horizon remains a good strategy to perhaps cause any investor to temper his investment and likely attempt to employ DCA rather than attempting to time some market move that might not take place. 

In other words, we already had a great opportunity, yesterday, and we continue to have a great opportunity today and into the future, especially anyone who is either investing over a longer time period, and maybe such investor  might also consider employing a bit of front loading his/her investment at these prices, but no need to go crazy in such, even though bitcoin remains a decently likely ongoing asymmetric bet to the upside.

[JayJuanGee]

Today is the first day in like 2 years my nocoiner friend mentioned BTC and that he'd like to buy because he heard "it dropped 50%"   Bullish!  

Wow. Most people of that ilk think either 'it's ded' or 'it'll go lower' and then buy 5 minutes before the peak several years later.

Your man sounds like he was born to it.

When i picked up the kids at school today (which is closing down for at least two weeks now) i heard other parents talk about investing in bitcoin, because the price sunk $1000 (...) "No, it's even down $2000! ...", "Then i'm gonna buy for sure now!" ... (and so on). I didn't join the talk, but what i really heard from it was:

"Bitcoin is low, i'm gonna catch the falling knife"
"Bitcoin is even lower, i'm finally buy the blood and become a coiner"

So i guess that BTC will tank even lower after the rise from $4.x cools off.
Many people gonna loose their newly invested money to the whales, at least to some good percentage.
I'll wait for it. I can still buy on the way up until about $6.5k if i'm totally wrong.
My final word (opinion): Bitcoin will go lower before the slow rise to next ATH. When i look at all the pumps after 04/2019, i'd say the bottom could be somewhere between $3 and $3.5k.

You sound a bit too bearish, out of memory.  After a quickie 63% correction, it is likely better to be betting on up rather than down.. although I know that you are not shorting.. but you are hesitating to buy, and I suppose that is not really bad.. it is just seeming a bit overly pessimistic.

Damn you guys typed a lot yesterday.

That's what I am talking about.

[JSRAW]

Some day I will buy a baseball bat and start punching everyone that repeats that same old shit about one BTC being still one BTC.

lucille wants blood?

3 candidates - BitcoinGirl.Club, El duderino_ , fillippone ( he started saying that too, go easy on him)

[marcus_of_augustus]

I'm printing paper wallets on toilet paper now.

It's the virus times version of Casascius coins

But that only works if you have toilet paper on hand. If you're fresh out and you call around and find the nearest tissue paper is at a store hundreds or thousands of miles away, you can simply drive to a closer ATM and get several sheets to wipe. Here in the US, that may be 20 bucks per wipe, but you do what you got to do.

Guys look at the master races who dont use toilet paper at all but a so called bidet

How do you get your arse dry afterwards? Do they have an arse dryer like a hot air hand dryer?

full circle.