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Dont worry GayJG, Covbull-19 is mostly hype. Just stay healthy and keep that immune system strong. Watch out for the really big text walls and arguing with anyone who speculates on a speculation thread an you'll be fine.  

Good to have you back now that you have learned your lesson. Im always here to help. Wink

I was discussing this exact point via PM with @tranthidung.

Take Italy for example:
These are the official data:
 
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The situation in Italy: March 6, 2020, 6.00 p.m.
POSITIVE 3916
DECEASED 197
HEALED 523


Press conference of the Head of Civil Protection Angelo Borrelli at 6 pm on 6 March:

4636 people who contracted the virus, currently positive 3916, 197 died and 523 recovered.
Among the 3916 positives:

1060 are found in home isolation
2394 hospitalized with symptoms
462 in intensive care

SOURCE: Italian Health Minister

I am not scared by mortality rate.
I am, as my relevant persons are, well below the age where mortality rate rises significantly.

I am worried by two things:

  • The impact of getting ill, specifically the fact I could be quarantined, and how this could impact my life and my closest persons' too, as they could potentially be quarantined too.
  • The impact on Italian Health system. Italy has a public free prepaid via general taxation health system (according to a Bloomberg survey it is the 4th most efficient system in the world).
    Contrary to other infections, COVID develops in severe pneumonia very quickly, putting health systems at strain all of a sudden.
    Now there are 462 hospitalised in ICU units, mostly in the region where I live. What happens if I get sick and there aren't ICU left? OR what happens if I have a car accident (touch wood) and I need an ICU , but there are non left because the COVID19?



This is why I am, at least a bit, scared.
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March 07, 2020, 11:47:15 AM

I found something very disturbing, we might all be fucked anyway.
It seems that 45 percent of people infected gets pulmonary fibrosis, average life expectancy of someone with pulmonary fibrosis is three to five years.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.18.20024539v2.full.pdf

Gaohong Sheng et al. [22] have shown that viral infection could increase the risk of pulmonary fibrosis. Xie et al. [23] found that 45% of patients showed signs of pulmonary fibrosis within one month after being infected with SARS-CoV. Hui et al. [24] revealed that 36% and 30% of patients infected with SARS-CoV developed pulmonary fibrosis 3 and 6 months after infection. These studies consistently suggest that pulmonary fibrosis will become one of the serious complications in patients with 2019-nCoV infection. How to prevent and reduce the occurrence of pulmonary fibrosis in patients with 2019-nCoV infection are urgent problems for medical workers in the treatment of 2019-nCoV.

What is Pulmonary fibrosis

Pulmonary fibrosis is a lung disease that occurs when lung tissue becomes damaged and scarred. This thickened, stiff tissue makes it more difficult for your lungs to work properly. As pulmonary fibrosis worsens, you become progressively more short of breath.

What is the life expectancy of a person with pulmonary fibrosis?

There is currently no cure for pulmonary fibrosis but treatments and therapies are improving all the time. The average life expectancy of someone with pulmonary fibrosis is three to five years but if it’s caught early, treatment can help slow down the progression of the disease.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/record/NCT04279197?recrs=a&view=record



They are saying that 45 percent of people infected w SARS(not Covid-19) show signs of pulmonary fibrosis after one month, only 30-36 percent actually developed after it 6 months.

They are just speculating it might be some type of complication with some COVBULL-19 flu patients, but they have zero confirmation of this conjecture whatsoever afaik. Just a nice way to create some buzz and  get some fat research grants.

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there is no immutable law that says healthcare can't be free and great or that social healthcare can't be done in a capitalist society and still have plenty left over...some things simply should not be left to the free market...if you don't believe that then why not have fucking Mcdonalds educate your children??? or Amazon? I am sure they would jump at the chance...
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Dont worry GayJG, Covbull-19 is mostly hype. Just stay healthy and keep that immune system strong. Watch out for the really big text walls and arguing with anyone who speculates on a speculation thread an you'll be fine.  

Good to have you back now that you have learned your lesson. Im always here to help. Wink

I was discussing this exact point via PM with @tranthidung.

Take Italy for example:
These are the official data:
 
(Google Translate translation,sorry)

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The situation in Italy: March 6, 2020, 6.00 p.m.
POSITIVE 3916
DECEASED 197
HEALED 523


Press conference of the Head of Civil Protection Angelo Borrelli at 6 pm on 6 March:

4636 people who contracted the virus, currently positive 3916, 197 died and 523 recovered.
Among the 3916 positives:

1060 are found in home isolation
2394 hospitalized with symptoms
462 in intensive care

SOURCE: Italian Health Minister

I am not scared by mortality rate.
I am, as my relevant persons are, well below the age where mortality rate rises significantly.

I am worried by two things:

  • The impact of getting ill, specifically the fact I could be quarantined, and how this could impact my life and my closest persons' too, as they could potentially be quarantined too.
  • The impact on Italian Health system. Italy has a public free prepaid via general taxation health system (according to a Bloomberg survey it is the 4th most efficient system in the world).
    Contrary to other infections, COVID develops in severe pneumonia very quickly, putting health systems at strain all of a sudden.
    Now there are 462 hospitalised in ICU units, mostly in the region where I live. What happens if I get sick and there aren't ICU left? OR what happens if I have a car accident (touch wood) and I need an ICU , but there are non left because the COVID19?



This is why I am, at least a bit, scared.


Italy is no different than all the other countries in that they are not testing everyone they know who was in  contact with the virus.

You will never get legit info about mortality rates or critical condition rates as long as they do this, and just like they are incentivized  to tax and spend into deep debt, print money, etc, they are incentivized to keep reported cases down by not testing too much.

Everyone mocked China for this, but every other gov following the same playbook, just not as extreme.

We are all Chinese now.

The big way this is backfiring on Govs like the US for instance is that by keeping the number of cases low in hopes of avoiding fear, they are making the fear worse bc it seems the mortality rates and odds of going to ICU are much higher than they really are.

Truth is tons and tons of people are walking around with COVBULL-19 in most countries and dont know it. During peak flu season ICU's routinely get overloaded. If you get in a car wreck and need ICU but a bunch of 80 year olds are already in them bc of flu season or Covbull-19, yes that would suck. But.... getting in a car wreck that bad is gonna suck even if they have 100 ICU beds waiting for you.

Drive safe!

These high mortality rates are as fake as the gov reported inflation rates. The critical condition rates are just as inflated. Poor diet is a bigger threat than this hyped China Flu will ever be. This whole thing had my attention with all the Wuhan shit that was going on early, but once we started getting some real data I ceased to worry about this, and hopefully you will do the same soon enough.

If Im wrong and we are all gonna go extinct bc we like to order junk products from Chinese factories, well fuck it, humanity was a cool experiment and Im sure we will have a nice place in the fossil record.  Cheesy
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there is no immutable law that says healthcare can't be free
Yes there is. Medicine doesn't produce itself, buildings don't spring out of the ground, and doctors and nurses do. not. work. for. free. Shit costs money.
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there is no immutable law that says healthcare can't be free
Yes there is. Medicine doesn't produce itself, buildings don't spring out of the ground, and doctors and nurses do. not. work. for. free. Shit costs money.

Well that's what taxes are for...every place I've ever lived take a chunk of it annually...more than enough to pay for lots of things $$$
Why waste the money on some social reject gov workers to watch cat videos all day...let the machines take those jobs...

also maybe stop the war on drugs and tax it and you will have more money to go around. private health insurance (I have it BTW) is a shit system with lots of flaws...you need it from birth for a start or you are screwed...once you're locked into a health insurance provider and get sick you can't change or all your pre-existing conditions are not covered. plus there are plenty of loopholes. Sorry I don't want to trust my health to some weirdo private company only. there should be a mixed system at the very least.

let the uber rich pay for that uber luxurious private hospital where they get a blowie from the nurse daily...

as for the common folk, and non zuckerbug types, they want some basic medical coverage as well...which doesn't require getting bummed by some big corporation your whole life, where you live in fear of losing your 9 to 5, just so you won't lose ur medical coverage
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Bro, You are already active in "Speculation Section "(WO posts doesn't counts in any sig). I suggest try to explore Gambling section if its your cup of tea, then you are good to go.
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Italy is no different than all the other countries in that they are not testing everyone they know who was in  contact with the virus.

There is only one difference: in Italy there is an high percentage of elderly people:  Italian has the second life expectancy in the world.
So we are vulnerable to elderly-affecting disease.
Regarding car crashes (taken as example of what can bring you to an ICU) is not sitting with an elderly in the hospital that bothers me: it that there is the concrete possibility that every ICU is already taken by them leaving none for me!
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Italy is no different than all the other countries in that they are not testing everyone they know who was in  contact with the virus.

There is only one difference: in Italy there is an high percentage of elderly people:  Italian has the second life expectancy in the world.
So we are vulnerable to elderly-affecting disease.
Regarding car crashes is not sitting with an elderly in the hospital that bothers me: it that there is the concrete possibility that every ICU is already taken by them leaving none for me!


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Thats a real issue you point out. A massive gov campaign to get everyone to buckle up and maybe double speeding fines would probably fix that. A lot wiser move than the global hysteria and fear porn we are seeing right now.
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there is no immutable law that says healthcare can't be free
Yes there is. Medicine doesn't produce itself, buildings don't spring out of the ground, and doctors and nurses do. not. work. for. free. Shit costs money.

Well that's what taxes are for...every place I've ever lived take a chunk of it annually...more than enough to pay for lots of things $$$
Why waste the money on some social reject gov workers to watch cat videos all day...let the machines take those jobs...

also maybe stop the war on drugs and tax it and you will have more money to go around. private health insurance (I have it BTW) is a shit system with lots of flaws...you need it from birth for a start or you are screwed...once you're locked into a health insurance provider and get sick you can't change or all your pre-existing conditions are not covered. plus there are plenty of loopholes. Sorry I don't want to trust my health to some weirdo private company only. there should be a mixed system at the very least.
So. Not free. We agree?
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there is no immutable law that says healthcare can't be free
Yes there is. Medicine doesn't produce itself, buildings don't spring out of the ground, and doctors and nurses do. not. work. for. free. Shit costs money.

Well that's what taxes are for...every place I've ever lived take a chunk of it annually...more than enough to pay for lots of things $$$
Why waste the money on some social reject gov workers to watch cat videos all day...let the machines take those jobs...

also maybe stop the war on drugs and tax it and you will have more money to go around. private health insurance (I have it BTW) is a shit system with lots of flaws...you need it from birth for a start or you are screwed...once you're locked into a health insurance provider and get sick you can't change or all your pre-existing conditions are not covered. plus there are plenty of loopholes. Sorry I don't want to trust my health to some weirdo private company only. there should be a mixed system at the very least.
So. Not free. We agree?

agree completely, just wish taxes were more transparent and on the block chain so we could see where the money gets spent.
am sure it would help so much with accountability.

it can be free or almost free for some people though...you can argue that one way or another someone pays time or money or labor to fund it

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Any long trade is a short term trade until Bitcoin can break and hold above the $9500s

$9400s to $9500s has played a important S/R level since June 2019 - breaking above this level will be key for bullish continuation

My take profit targets start near $9400



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Source: https://bitcoinist.com/bitcoin-price-must-pass-this-level-to-turn-bullish-again/
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Fat women fighting over toilet paper in Australia. Unbelievable.... y... funny!   Cheesy

Of course I prefer all my videos narrated by Ozzy Man.

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All things being equal, which of course they are not, 1 year closer to the supply halving.

Fat women fighting over toilet paper in Australia. Unbelievable.... y... funny!   Cheesy
Of course I prefer all my videos narrated by Ozzy Man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzm1XSnT-oI
I do hope they all wash there hands after this. I wouldn't take the risk of this much physical contact over a bit of paper.
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Fat women fighting over toilet paper in Australia. Unbelievable.... y... funny!   Cheesy

Of course I prefer all my videos narrated by Ozzy Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzm1XSnT-oI

"I just want one pack!"

"No, not one pack!!"

That was one of the the funniest shit I've seen lately. Shitragcoin to the moon!
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Fat women fighting over toilet paper in Australia. Unbelievable.... y... funny!   Cheesy

Of course I prefer all my videos narrated by Ozzy Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzm1XSnT-oI

"I just want one pack!"

"No, not one pack!!"

I love his work and really want him to get some cricket commentary gigs.
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JJG was gone for roughly one week, and the total WO post count parity, dipped noticeably.
Focus, nobody bought this dip.
Should he ever leave for a month or more, we are dealing with a 80% correction, to complete annihilation and lock down of the thread, on the yearly milestone.

Probably need to petition some kind of special waiver from theymos.. in case theymos is feeling trigger happy and inclined to deep 6 the thread based on per day post count...? or maybe if someone were to program chartbuddy II, then theymos would not notice the slippage?

next time youre away have some "best of JJG" reposts ready at a keystroke to fill in.

uhhh no, nevermind, bad idea. really. its OK.
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