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April 15, 2020, 12:01:33 AM Last edit: April 15, 2020, 12:11:38 AM by strawbs Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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Nice article. But in relation to my previous point, are you suggesting that the media are deliberately using ambiguous terms so that they can later claim that the number of deaths caused by COVID-19 was actually pretty small? I'm not sure I follow. EDIT: this is obviously quite a US-centric article. I would claim that the type of (extreme?) capitalism encountered in the US leads to a less caring society, when compared to the more social-capitalism encountered in western Europe (where the state directs more funds to welfare). But that's a bit tangental... EDIT 2: more claims of deaths 'linked to' COVID but not necessarily 'caused by' it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52278825
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April 15, 2020, 12:09:37 AM |
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the type of (extreme?) capitalism encountered in the US
oh god, that's funny
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April 15, 2020, 12:09:52 AM |
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Time to fear when drums stop.
.. because then the bass solo starts. zing! One for Jimbo.
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... It's true that bars (especially live music bars), and by extension musicians, have been hurt by anti-smoking laws. ...
I respectfully disagree, Jimbo. And I'll respectfully disagree with your disagreement. 'Round these parts, it is hard to draw any certainty, as the last two decades have seen not only proliferation of anti-smoking laws, but also stepped up DUI enforcement, and a veritable plethora of entertainment options that don't involve leaving one's home. That said, there was a distinct step function in the drying up of night life that occurred exactly when the anti-smoking laws came this way. And we already had a situation where there were non-smoking venues existing alongside non-smoking venues. They both drew their interested clientele, and everyone got along splendidly. Nope. The do-gooders decided that they have the authority to tell everyone else what they are or are not allowed to do with their property and their lives. And several industries imploded. Just where from do you think the power to order others around derives?
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April 15, 2020, 12:21:53 AM |
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Probably not a joke. Then again, there are plenty of people who don't know WTF they are talking about. While he is well-versed in other areas, this opinion of his seems lunacy to me.
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April 15, 2020, 12:42:24 AM |
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Just where from do you think the power to order others around derives?
I'll take Mao quotes for 500 Alex
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April 15, 2020, 12:49:53 AM |
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the type of (extreme?) capitalism encountered in the US
oh god, that's funny hilarious
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April 15, 2020, 12:52:49 AM |
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I am starting to see that I should really not be recommending bitcoin to my general Facebook friends anymore.
As truly horrible people have proven themselves to be at math, they'd probably end up owning some shitcoin within hours of buying their first bitcoin.
If I were so inclined I would certainly get super rich off of these people. At least I stopped trying to protect their freedom.
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April 15, 2020, 01:01:55 AM Last edit: April 15, 2020, 01:24:09 AM by JimboToronto |
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Just where from do you think the power to order others around derives?
Sorry, I have to quote myself on this one: Some people have an obedience fetish. They hate choice and free will. In their idea of a perfect world, everything is either obligatory or forbidden. Nothing pleases them more than telling others what to do or being told what to do. Just where from do you think the power to order others around derives?
I'll take Mao quotes for 500 Alex Can you invoke Godwin when someone mentions Mao?
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Ok Boomers ... <looks around> My main point in a nutshell was ...do what you phukking want, it’s your choice, but imo, don’t phukking smoke...it’s a shitty, unhealthy highly addictive habit you will regret ever starting that stinks up the joint. And you’d be better off buying bitcoin. Somehow my anti- smoking rant posts ended up down some liberal-tarian rabbit hole tangent involving Mao quotes, Godwin, the power to order others around and other stuff I honestly didn't mean to get into. Sorry bro’s, my bad. I knew I shoulda stuck with my normal snarky off topic mocking troll crap replies rather than getting all serious and stuff.....
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April 15, 2020, 02:42:13 AM |
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Tranquilo amigo. You go ahead and hate smoking and I'll go ahead and not give a shit. I'm too busy hating rules fetishists.
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April 15, 2020, 03:52:01 AM |
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It's not smokers that bug me so much right now.
It's the goddamn joggers; huffing and puffing their diseased droplets everywhere, mad in their selfish endorphin haze.
Next time I go out I am taking a cattle prod, long one.
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April 15, 2020, 04:20:19 AM |
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When reporting COVID-19 deaths, I've recently been noticing that our media here nearly always state that he/she/they died with coronavirus, or their death was linked to coronavirus. They hardly ever state that they died from coronavirus. Something fishy going on ... it's because the testing is so bureaucratically messed up that people who pass away in nursing homes or simply die at home and they don't get an autosopy or post mortem test they cannot officially say Died of COVID-19 ... if anything the official death tolls from COVID are 40-50% below actual but will likely get revised upwards over time when the chaos in hospitals/healthcare/mortuaries subsides.
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April 15, 2020, 04:24:20 AM |
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https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/compelling reading from the frontlines ... warning deniers don't read this if you want to stay in your bubble. I happened to have been assigned to work at one hospital for a chain of shifts, so I hadn’t been inside one of our other hospitals in over a week. As soon as I open the E.R. doors there, I shrink from the sights and smells. Patients are now triple-bunked into single-person spaces, curtains pushed aside. In one room, three men, who appear to be in their 80s or so, are side by side in their stretchers, each one pulling at his oxygen mask, confused, their frail limbs swinging in the air. Some have sat in their own feces for a day. Puddles of urine have pooled around the wheels of some patients’ stretchers. Nurses are out sick; the remaining ones are coping the best they can. I have gotten texts from colleagues about the chaos here, but I thought that those were just about one bad day, that they had already gone through the worst.
Another doctor notices the bewilderment on my face and comes over. “There are people literally dying of hypoxia in the hallways,” he says, “and there’s empty space with oxygen dispensers on the wall and no one using them.” What is he talking about? Isn’t the hospital full? He suggests that I take a walk down the hall and make a right, less than 100 yards away.
I swipe open the unit, which usually serves as a postoperative area, with my ID. I see a room about half the size of the E.R. It’s a Sunday, a slow day usually, but still, there’s only one patient, who’s being tended to by a nursing assistant. A nurse hovers nearby. I track the green oxygen dispensers on the walls, these fountains of life that my patients gravely need. I go upstairs to one of the regular floors. It’s calm and quiet. Unlike in the E.R., where I dodge patients, colleagues and stretchers to get around — forget six feet of separation; we’re not able to maintain six inches — here the hallways are free and unobstructed. It’s just a regular hospital floor, but the space feels glorious, luxurious.
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Some people have an obedience fetish. They hate choice and free will. In their idea of a perfect world, everything is either obligatory or forbidden. Nothing pleases them more than telling others what to do or being told what to do. Some people are only fit to be slaves.
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April 15, 2020, 04:36:02 AM |
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It's not smokers that bug me so much right now.
It's the goddamn joggers; huffing and puffing their diseased droplets everywhere, mad in their selfish endorphin haze.
Next time I go out I am taking a cattle prod, long one.
I may think joggers are idiots with their silly striped spandex outfits, jarring their bones on city concrete while breathing carbon monoxide, but I'll defend their right to make fools of themselves... as long as they wear N-95 face masks and blue latex gloves.
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April 15, 2020, 04:52:30 AM |
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When reporting COVID-19 deaths, I've recently been noticing that our media here nearly always state that he/she/they died with coronavirus, or their death was linked to coronavirus. They hardly ever state that they died from coronavirus. Something fishy going on Yeah. Nevermind accurate standards, different countries and even areas within countries have different reporting standards. I am very curious if there is any meaningful increase in the number of deaths this year, but that remains to be seen.
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April 15, 2020, 04:54:19 AM |
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April 15, 2020, 05:20:29 AM |
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Ok Boomers ... <looks around> My main point in a nutshell was ...do what you phukking want, it’s your choice, but imo, don’t phukking smoke...it’s a shitty, unhealthy highly addictive habit you will regret ever starting that stinks up the joint. And you’d be better off buying bitcoin....
Hey - we're back to common ground! Cheers!
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