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I'd love to get back my coins so I can use them to sell asap on high margin to take advantage of bitcoin's final and definitive death-crash.

How many BTC coins did you have in MtGox, if you don't mind me asking?
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May 27, 2021, 02:27:24 PM

U.S. billionaire and one-time cryptocurrency skeptic Carl Icahn is contemplating a potential $1.5 billion investment in digital currencies.
https://twitter.com/CoinDesk/status/1397820256463298560
https://www.coindesk.com/carl-icahn-bitcoin-crypto-big-way

Carl is being hit by the fomo it seems and buy at 40k, smart investor move  wow or is it just another news (contemplating lol) to boost the price because the skeptic bought at 4k

Anyway he will invest in doge i'm sure  Cheesy

You might not be too far off fuckie-lucky.... I have heard that Icon has some good feelings about Ethereum, so sometimes past successful peeps can be too smart for their own good in coming to their own "logical" conclusions rather than relying on people who really know what the fuck they are talking about in terms of these kinds of matters.. but even another aspect of almost any crypto newbie (Saylor might be an exception) is that very many of the newbies, whether rich or otherwise, end up spending some time needing to make their own stupid ass smarter than everyone else mistakes.. we will see if Icahn's actions end up playing out MOAR smarter than some of the dumb shit that he has already said.. but at least he does kind of seem to be coming around to seeing the light.. whether a flash in the pan or no.


Personally dude, as a courtesy to the rest of us (so we do not have to click to get any kind of clue), I think that it is a way better practice to give some kind of indication about what your posted link is about .. sure even just a few words may be enough in many circumstances......



By the way, you have become a role model for a quite a few peeps in this thread, believe it or no (or whether you like it or not), but I will still assert.. maybe harshly but so what, we cannot always be lovey dovey in these here parts as seems to be my overall tendency, that if you cannot either figure out a few words to describe your link or even to post a picture contained in such link thread, then you probably do not understand the meaning/contents of your link sufficiently well enough to have had posted it in these here parts..

We have high standards here, yo  (that's a royal we, that wishes otherwise).
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May 27, 2021, 02:30:40 PM

BTW $40K again.

Grin

my American fellows start their day.  Wink

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May 27, 2021, 02:43:09 PM


I'd love to get back my coins so I can use them to sell asap on high margin to take advantage of bitcoin's final and definitive death-crash.

How many BTC coins did you have in MtGox, if you don't mind me asking?

Well technically it was bitcoinica, and it was about 120.
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May 27, 2021, 02:43:30 PM

The brrrrrrrr machine is just warming up it appears..thats trillion with a capital T folks.
#dyor
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conclusion: this time it is different. you cannot compare the bull run of 2017 one-to-one with the situation today.

reason: if you look into the chart of the pre 2017 ATH you will recognize that after the burst of a mini bubble the low after was never lower than the high of the former mini bubble. but this time the low is lower than the pre high. that leads to pure panic in the market. you can called it manipulation of the market.



First line from below: ATH 2017
Second line from below: High of the first Mini Bubble
Third line from below: High of the second Mini Bubble

the Low of the second Mini Bubble is much lower than the High of the first Mini Bubble. the aim was to shake out the weak hands.

EDIT: updated with a pic.

EDIT2: second pic is the same as the first one but with a logarithmic scale. we have a long way to go in front of us until we will reach the next bear phase.



EDIT3: something to consider too: before the ATH 2017 there were no PRO tools like (regulated) Futures and Options available to trade with. the burst of the ATH Bubble of 2017 happened at the day of the start of the BTC Futures on CME.

Seems to me, Gyrsur-meiser, you are jumping to some weird ass and seemingly all over the place conclusions way too soon.. and so fucking what if we have all kinds of deviations regarding what is expected and blah blah blah... we better fucking get through another couple of years to see how this cycle played out in that longer term before jumping to conclusions regarding how it might end in terms of being sufficiently different to matter anyhow.

Sure you can have your lil theories about blah and blah and blah.. and looking at lines on charts, but where the fuck is your discussion of the real important price prediction models of the day.. (stock to flow, four year fractal and exponential s-curve adoption), so without adequately incorporating the actual convincing theories and trying to make your own outline you better NOT be overly banking on such theories in terms of thinking that you know the next step of king daddy (and the likely success or not) of the upcoming manipulation attempts.. including your little nonsense assertion that CME caused the end of the 2017 cycle (not saying that it had no role, but still).

For sure, many of us who have been around the bitcoin block a few times and have been watching this space (likely including ur lil selfie) have already come to recognize that various ongoing battles have been going on in bitcoinlandia for years and years and years and those battles include both informational and financial ammunition.. so sure the more players, adopters, rich folks or whatever, the more money (and instruments) and even severity of misinformation it takes to attempt to move the BTC market opposite to the UPpity trend that we seem to be in but cannot even bank on our most likely trend, either..even if it currently seems to have strong UPpity momentum with a considerably large challenge to it that may or may not end up being successful (still in progress)...

Will the bear tards either be able to knock us out of this bullmarket or to end the bullmarket earlier than anticipated remains a million and a half dollar question that none of us have hardly any clue about in spite your lines on charts.. and yeah any of us know that the bears are going to try to push the BTC price as low as they can and to keep it down for as long as they can.. and sure sometimes they are going to be successful for a decently long-ass time, and other times they just lose fucking control over the whole battle and they either cannot sustain negative sentiment or they cannot achieve the levels of negative sentiment that they want to achieve to shake HODLers from their coins (and they can ONLY make up so many make-believe coins before that might well end up biting them in the ass, too) and the revert to the mean and even going beyond the mean to make up for the too long DOWNity manipulation ends up causing this time to NOT be different because they did the same kinds of shit as previously, and they were ONLY able to hold down the honey badger for so long before it threw a temperature tantrum and told them all to fuck off their lil selfies...

As I am writing this post, I am considering that maybe you and I are not seeing the overall BTC price dynamics matter very much differently, even though I do sometimes get a bit hostile to charts that seem like they want to plow their own path, and your opening assertion about this time being different did also kind of seem a wee bit over the top of a premature of a conclusion.... I will concede that there might be some redemption in some of your ideas, even though they pushed a few of my buttons.. which just might mean that some lines in my taproot signaling are crossed, and blaming my whole triggeredness on Elon or Carl Icahn might not be a bad next move for me.  

Still not 100% following you, but this dip was certainly nothing like the 2017.

it's almost a rule that in a bullish phase the lows of bubbles are not lower than the former highs of the pre bubbles. there are very few exceptions if you scan the chart.

in a bullish phase the price will never fall under the former ATH. exception was in January 2015 but the fundamental was the break-in into Bitstamp (the second important marketplace after Mt.Gox which bankrupted in early 2014).

it's very clear for me that this is not the end. why you guys have so much s**t in your panties?  Shocked

I guess your various uses of absolutes in this response including your all over the place attempts at analysis that seems to be wanting to plow your own path is kind of showing me why your analysis is irritating to me, and no it's not because I am shitting about any of this.. and even some of the earlier shitters do seem to be kind of getting over it - however, another challenge to the lower $30ks might cause a few more previously considered strong hands to lose their cool.. yet I am not sure if the bears have enough ammunition to play that card - even if there could be some shitcoin cards that could be dropped and really create some potential drag - but not even sure if that card is likely to get played.
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moar brrrrrrrrr as Yellen yelling for spending increases
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/27/yellen-says-the-government-is-operating-like-its-2010-calls-for-more-aggressive-spending.html
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May 27, 2021, 03:14:20 PM

juansnowgee...fuck off     Cool

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May 27, 2021, 03:14:38 PM

Coingeek Conference...

Calvin Ayre owns this shit. Isn't it obvious who the speakers would be?

It's a non-event. The party afterwards could be interesting though. Must be lots of pretty girls there, probably of the barely-legal variety, given Ayre's preference for young things.

Yeah.  It's just sad to see how far Taleb has fallen from reality.
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The brrrrrrrr machine is just warming up it appears..thats trillion with a capital T folks.
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The US had a really good run.  Pax Americana was a fairly decent era.  As far as hegemonies go the US was a net positive, I'd say.  I am not sure I look forward to the new world leader as being as positive a force.
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it was said with love...its Thursday after all..  someone is needed for blame...guess what..    Kiss
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it was said with love...its Thursday after all..  someone is needed for blame...guess what..    Kiss

Haha, someone lost track of his days!
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May 27, 2021, 03:37:30 PM

Bitcoin will never be below again.
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I'm just posting this to have 3 psychedelic hats in a row.

+1 WOsMerit

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May 27, 2021, 03:41:44 PM

Still not 100% following you, but this dip was certainly nothing like the 2017.

it's almost a rule that in a bullish phase the lows of bubbles are not lower than the former highs of the pre bubble. there are very few exceptions if you scan the chart.

in a bullish phase the price will never fall under the former ATH. exception was in January 2015 but the fundamental was the break-in into Bitstamp (the second important marketplace after Mt.Gox which bankrupted in early 2014).

it's very clear for me that this is not the end. why you guys have so much s**t in your panties?  Shocked
So what your saying is the bullish phase is over (for a little at least) and by "not the end" you mean it's not the end of the correction?

Sorry, for some reason I'm just not understanding what you were getting at. It's your wording that is confusing me.

IMO though we have witnessed another March last year type of an event, brought on by mass FUD attack, completely overblown by the noobs, and therefore any technical analysis based off it is completely inaccurate.

Including the low being lower then the previous high.

man is my English so bad?  Cry

Yes.. You suck.

what was the ATH of 2013? $1163

did we ever go under this level after the 2017 ATH. NO.

Who fucking cares? 


March last year was a very big black swan event. we had something similar never in the short history of Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is a baby.. so of course there are ways to miss what the fuck you are talking about or what is important by attempting to describe almost every single situation as unique and then when you do try to draw parallels you are drawing the wrong ones.

after ATH 2017 we had a crypto related black swan event in autumn 2018. the Hash War of BCH and BSV. that was the lowest low of the bear phase after 2017 ATH. even the bigger black swan event of March 2020 drove the price not below.

The BTC price went below the 208-week moving average in March 2020, but it did not go below the 208-week moving average in November 2018.  So there is that angle, too in terms of trying to figure out severity or not.. suddeness or not.. unprecedented or not.


if you cross a former ATH I consider it as a bull phase until the next ATH.

Sounds like more short term and selective thinkenings, but hey.. you do you.  If that is what you believe, then so be it.

this next ATH of the future is of course not predictable but if you consider a logarithmic scale it must be much more higher as the previous ATH because the inflation is halved on the halving event.

It is probably true that we are going to continue to have hype cycles in BTC that produce higher ATHs every 4 years that is surely part of all of the current BTC price models that outline this concept much more eloquently than your seemingly inventing the wheel (again) descriptions, Gyrsur..... #nohomo

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it was said with love...its Thursday after all..  someone is needed for blame...guess what..    Kiss

Haha, someone lost track of his days!

Not possible.

Must be needing a firm ware upgrade... gotta be some kind of trick here..for sure.

Never trust a fellow WO peep.. who may or may not be on the same pagina (get your minds out of the gutter).

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I'm just posting this to have 3 psychedelic hats in a row.

+1 WOsMerit

surely a meritable offense in these here parts


carry on

Cheers mate!

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