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[philipma1957]

Oh so Elon spoke with "North American miners"... well, he certainly didn't speak with me so right there I already know he's full of shit.

Well.... at least he didn't tweet a levitating bitcoin Buda Ball pic, so there is that....

I would have a nice long sit down with him about a large solar project in my state of New Jersey

he can talk with myself and buysolar and my other partners

HEY ELON HAVE YOUR PEOPLE CALL ME

We have working solar arrays for mining and charging teslas.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Arriemoller]

On printers.
My brother will be using them as well and he is deep down the bonsai rabbit hole, he wants to print bonsai pots for his little trees and he is worried that the print size is too small.

Any tips?

What size does he envision?  I would think I could make a fairly humongous pot for a bonsai with my average sized Prusa.  I do not know much about bonsais but the ones I have seen would fit in pots that fit the "25 x 21 x 21 cm" print area.

I must be doing the math wrong, but a round pot that was 20cm tall and 20cm across would easily hold ~ 5 liters of dirt with room to spare?

(3.14x10^2)x20 = 6280ml

Maybe I am off... but no matter it would be a average size flower pot in my opinion.

Pretty much what I said too, didn't do the math though.
But apparently he wants bigger pots, we'll see. I have just bought this.

https://www.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-mars-pro-lcd-3d-printer

https://www.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-mercury-plus-washing-and-curing-machine

https://www.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-5pcs-fep-release-film

https://www.amazon.se/gp/product/B00FRGBEGG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.se/sm%C3%A4llmatta-%C3%B6verf%C3%B6ring-ANYCUBIC-3D-skrivartillbeh%C3%B6r-Eewolf/dp/B08HCZWYLC/ref=sr_1_26?crid=2AZ2X6OYFO76K&dchild=1&keywords=silikonmatta&qid=1621823281&sprefix=silikon%2Caps%2C232&sr=8-26

https://www.amazon.se/ELEGOO-3D-skrivare-Fotoolymer-LCD-3D-tryck-Keramikgr%C3%A5/dp/B07X28J75Q/ref=pd_sbs_3/258-9099973-6756132?pd_rd_w=iTHJw&pf_rd_p=b15ec3b6-41da-4147-8ab8-f7f9d3ef7406&pf_rd_r=BP6H273B793Y184XNMKC&pd_rd_r=088fe201-1414-45b0-ac1c-c472dea84437&pd_rd_wg=gsFH2&pd_rd_i=B07X28J75Q&psc=1

https://www.amazon.se/dp/B07FF5VQ8R/ref=twister_B08DK2PG4Y?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.computersalg.se/i/6739009/mr-proper-professional-sanitary-5l?utm_source=PriceRunnerSe&utm_medium=PriceRunnerSeLINK&utm_campaign=PriceRunnerSe

All I need now is Nitril gloves.

And of course learn how to work the darn thing, is there like a photoshop for stl files or something?

[Arriemoller]

Buy the dip

Selling body parts. What next ?

i can live with only one testicle thanks for the tip, seems like testicle and bitcoin prices are in sync how convenient

... you need to have testicles before you can donate them

If you get 35000 bucks it's not really a donation is it.

[cAPSLOCK]

On printers.
My brother will be using them as well and he is deep down the bonsai rabbit hole, he wants to print bonsai pots for his little trees and he is worried that the print size is too small.

Any tips?

What size does he envision?  I would think I could make a fairly humongous pot for a bonsai with my average sized Prusa.  I do not know much about bonsais but the ones I have seen would fit in pots that fit the "25 x 21 x 21 cm" print area.

I must be doing the math wrong, but a round pot that was 20cm tall and 20cm across would easily hold ~ 5 liters of dirt with room to spare?

(3.14x10^2)x20 = 6280ml

Maybe I am off... but no matter it would be a average size flower pot in my opinion.

Pretty much what I said too, didn't do the math though.
But apparently he wants bigger pots, we'll see. I have just bought this.

https://www.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-mars-pro-lcd-3d-printer

https://www.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-mercury-plus-washing-and-curing-machine

https://www.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-5pcs-fep-release-film

https://www.amazon.se/gp/product/B00FRGBEGG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.se/sm%C3%A4llmatta-%C3%B6verf%C3%B6ring-ANYCUBIC-3D-skrivartillbeh%C3%B6r-Eewolf/dp/B08HCZWYLC/ref=sr_1_26?crid=2AZ2X6OYFO76K&dchild=1&keywords=silikonmatta&qid=1621823281&sprefix=silikon%2Caps%2C232&sr=8-26

https://www.amazon.se/ELEGOO-3D-skrivare-Fotoolymer-LCD-3D-tryck-Keramikgr%C3%A5/dp/B07X28J75Q/ref=pd_sbs_3/258-9099973-6756132?pd_rd_w=iTHJw&pf_rd_p=b15ec3b6-41da-4147-8ab8-f7f9d3ef7406&pf_rd_r=BP6H273B793Y184XNMKC&pd_rd_r=088fe201-1414-45b0-ac1c-c472dea84437&pd_rd_wg=gsFH2&pd_rd_i=B07X28J75Q&psc=1

https://www.amazon.se/dp/B07FF5VQ8R/ref=twister_B08DK2PG4Y?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.computersalg.se/i/6739009/mr-proper-professional-sanitary-5l?utm_source=PriceRunnerSe&utm_medium=PriceRunnerSeLINK&utm_campaign=PriceRunnerSe

All I need now is Nitril gloves.

And of course learn how to work the darn thing, is there like a photoshop for stl files or something?

Ah! That's some of the funnest part.  So there are many editors and everyone probably has a favorite, but I really just like tinkercad.com . It has one of the friendliest learning curve (they are all a little steep in my opinion...) And you can do done really neat stuff with it quickly and easily.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[smartcomet]

A dormant address is a misnomer, it doesn't mean no transactions, it means no outputs.
...
Stack sats, #HODL for at least 6 years. Make 100X return on your investment. It's that easy, but hard to do in practice. Everything else is just noise.

[Arriemoller]

On printers.
My brother will be using them as well and he is deep down the bonsai rabbit hole, he wants to print bonsai pots for his little trees and he is worried that the print size is too small.

Any tips?

What size does he envision?  I would think I could make a fairly humongous pot for a bonsai with my average sized Prusa.  I do not know much about bonsais but the ones I have seen would fit in pots that fit the "25 x 21 x 21 cm" print area.

I must be doing the math wrong, but a round pot that was 20cm tall and 20cm across would easily hold ~ 5 liters of dirt with room to spare?

(3.14x10^2)x20 = 6280ml

Maybe I am off... but no matter it would be a average size flower pot in my opinion.

Pretty much what I said too, didn't do the math though.
But apparently he wants bigger pots, we'll see. I have just bought this.

https://www.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-mars-pro-lcd-3d-printer

https://www.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-mercury-plus-washing-and-curing-machine

https://www.elegoo.com/products/elegoo-5pcs-fep-release-film

https://www.amazon.se/gp/product/B00FRGBEGG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.se/sm%C3%A4llmatta-%C3%B6verf%C3%B6ring-ANYCUBIC-3D-skrivartillbeh%C3%B6r-Eewolf/dp/B08HCZWYLC/ref=sr_1_26?crid=2AZ2X6OYFO76K&dchild=1&keywords=silikonmatta&qid=1621823281&sprefix=silikon%2Caps%2C232&sr=8-26

https://www.amazon.se/ELEGOO-3D-skrivare-Fotoolymer-LCD-3D-tryck-Keramikgr%C3%A5/dp/B07X28J75Q/ref=pd_sbs_3/258-9099973-6756132?pd_rd_w=iTHJw&pf_rd_p=b15ec3b6-41da-4147-8ab8-f7f9d3ef7406&pf_rd_r=BP6H273B793Y184XNMKC&pd_rd_r=088fe201-1414-45b0-ac1c-c472dea84437&pd_rd_wg=gsFH2&pd_rd_i=B07X28J75Q&psc=1

https://www.amazon.se/dp/B07FF5VQ8R/ref=twister_B08DK2PG4Y?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.computersalg.se/i/6739009/mr-proper-professional-sanitary-5l?utm_source=PriceRunnerSe&utm_medium=PriceRunnerSeLINK&utm_campaign=PriceRunnerSe

All I need now is Nitril gloves.

And of course learn how to work the darn thing, is there like a photoshop for stl files or something?

Ah! That's some of the funnest part.  So there are many editors and everyone probably has a favorite, but I really just like tinkercad.com . It has one of the friendliest learning curve (they are all a little steep in my opinion...) And you can do done really neat stuff with it quickly and easily.

Checking tinkercad out, thanks.
What's Chitu Box?

[Maidak]

Oh so Elon spoke with "North American miners"... well, he certainly didn't speak with me so right there I already know he's full of shit.

Well.... at least he didn't tweet a levitating bitcoin Buda Ball pic, so there is that....

I would have a nice long sit down with him about a large solar project in my state of New Jersey

he can talk with myself and buysolar and my other partners

HEY ELON HAVE YOUR PEOPLE CALL ME

We have working solar arrays for mining and charging teslas.

ELON MUSK (sold) > Bullish Market Over (influence) = Selling Signal = You noobs < ELON MUSK (bought dip)

[Arriemoller]

@Arrie:

About 3D printers, you've already got some good info from fellow WOers. If possible, get a printer with two Z-axis lead screws, not with only one screw that's positioned on the side of the bed. Also, if possible, get one with automatic bed levelling. This will get your printer as close as possible to a plug-and-play device.

I read you're the kind of person that doesn't want to DIY stuff. In that case, I fully recommend the Original Prusa i3 MK3S+ (pre-built). You can't go wrong with a Prusa at an affordable price point.

If you want to use more exotic materials, dimensional accuracy, end-use parts, engineering work, go for an Ultimaker (the dual extruder models like the S3 or the S5 for larger build volume). Expensive, but well worth it. A workhorse that will give you consistent results for years, whereas the cheaper ones will noticeably degrade over time.

I've been using 3D printers at work and personally since 2019. Now, I simply cannot survive without a 3D printer. I feel almost like a small god that can create anything at will. I rarely, if ever, print ready-made objects. I design everything myself using Autodesk Inventor (this s/w is even more amazing than any 3D printer can ever be). This is when a 3D printer truly shines. If you just download and print, it will get boring pretty quickly, and you will soon abandon the sport.

My 2 sats.

Thanks for your input, If I want to level up in the future I'll look into the ultimaker.

[Arriemoller]

I need to learn some terminology, what's slicing?

Holy moly 2900 bucks A YEAR for autodesk.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[xhomerx10]

Buy the dip

Selling body parts. What next ?

i can live with only one testicle thanks for the tip, seems like testicle and bitcoin prices are in sync how convenient

... you need to have testicles before you can donate them

 

[suchmoon]

I need to learn some terminology, what's slicing?

You need to slice the 3D model into layers and convert it to printer commands before you can actually print it. Slicing software also adds supports for overhangs, sets infill type, etc.

[AlcoHoDL]

I need to learn some terminology, what's slicing?

Holy moly 2900 bucks A YEAR for autodesk.

Slicing is when the computer chops up the object you want to print into many thin layers. That's what the printer needs to print. This s/w comes free with the printer, it is the link between your STL file and the printer and you can't print without it.

Autodesk Inventor is expensive, yes! Fortunately for me, my employer pays for it. You can use Tinkercad for free, as cAPSLOCK has suggested. It's nice and easy, but obviously nowhere near the capabilities of Inventor.

With 3D printing you must have patience and not quit when things go wrong, because they will. Got to keep trying until you learn the tricks and gain experience. I don't have experience with resin-based 3D printers, I've heard very good words about the Elegoo Mars, so you should be alright with it.

[JayJuanGee]

A dormant address is a misnomer, it doesn't mean no transactions, it means no outputs.
...
Stack sats, #HODL for at least 6 years. Make anywhere between 1.5x and 100150X returns on your investment. It's that easy, but hard to do in practice. Everything else is just noise.

I fixed the content of the above tweet for you.  I understand that there are no guarantees, yet probably we could take a bit of a risk and assert/proclaim that a guy with a minimum of a 6 year investment timeline into BTC has pretty damned decent chances of at least returning 1.5x.. at a minimum, and even in 6 years it is possible to go to 150x.... I do believe that we are better off to be making our predictions in 4 year increments and maybe accounting for the location of our current cycle we might add another year and a half onto the cycle.. so there might be one set of predictions that are for 5.5 years and another more bullish set of predictions for 9.5 years from now. 

So even the 5.5 year time frame might allow for 1.5x to 150x, but the 9.5 year time-frame would ramp up the numbers a bit to between 5x and 600x.. think about 600x?  that would be the high side and it would be $22.8 million dollar bitcoin, which surely does seem to be on the outer upper end of what could end up playing out.. and sure 5x would be bearish for that timeframe, but still seems somewhat realistic and even better than the up and down guarantees (close to guarantees) that could be reasonably made with any other investment.

To get a present value calculation the investment should include considerations of both the most bullish and the most bearish of scenarios that would then give a value a range with probably some bell curve characteristics that allow for more likely chances of landing somewhere in the middle.  In assigning a present value on either a 5.5 year timeline or a 9.5 year timeline to bitcoin, there might need to be some attempt at including the going to zero possibility and or the considerably losing value scenarios, and I am NOT completely going to negate the existence of either the going to zero scenario or the considerably losing value scenarios, but such non-appreciation of value scenarios, in the case of bitcoin are becoming less and less likely with the passage of time and really would end up contributing very small value to the overall perspective of bringing down the extensiveness of the upside scenarios rather than actually having the lower end including in a present value range that would likely stay positive with 1.5x being the low end of a 5.5 year time frame and 5x being the lower end of a 9.5 year timeframe, and I don't know where you can get such bullish numbers from any other investment.. especially since so many have dollar corruption aspects within their ongoing artificial inflation, too.

Oh so Elon spoke with "North American miners"... well, he certainly didn't speak with me so right there I already know he's full of shit.

I think that we no longer need to be skeptical of the truth of Elon having had participated in some kind of discussions with some miners in very recent times, yet for me it is very interesting that Elon pretty much was able to get his ass saved by Saylor.

https://twitter.com/michael_saylor/status/1396915801492439044

The tweet:
>>>>
"Michael Saylor
@michael_saylor

Yesterday I was pleased to host a meeting between @elonmusk & the leading Bitcoin miners in North America.  The miners have agreed to form the Bitcoin Mining Council to promote energy usage transparency & accelerate sustainability initiatives worldwide."

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I am not 100% surprised that rich fucktwats can get their asses saved over and over again, even though sometimes narcissistic attention whore fucks like Elon will still tend to both burn bridges and ongoingly engage in outrageous attention whoring behaviors because guys like that have a kind of disease, but maybe at least some of us have seen him show his true colors with the latest opportunistic bullshit that he attempted to play in his favor and likely had it explode a wee bit in his face.

[machasm]

I need to learn some terminology, what's slicing?

Holy moly 2900 bucks A YEAR for autodesk.

I have recently just got into 3D printing myself (funny how that happens hey)
Picked up an ender 3 V2 and really enjoying the experience.
I am now about to embark on building my own from scratch based on the Hypercube Evolution.
BTW I use CURA for slicing.
Seems to do a very reasonable job and I also play around with tinkercad and have had pretty good results so far.
Struggling a little with PETG printing though but PLA is is a breeze.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[suchmoon]

I think that we no longer need to be skeptical of the truth of Elon having had participated in some kind of discussions with some miners in very recent times, yet for me it is very interesting that Elon pretty much was able to get his ass saved by Saylor.

I'm genuinely amazed that some "leading" miners no one's heard of before are going along with this wall street bro charade. I've been mining with hydro power since like 2015, where's my fucking medal LOL. But the reality always was that mining is going to happen where power is cheap. Which means renewables where renewables are cheap and I don't think any tweets about meetings will change that.

Note that they're are not even saying they'll change anything: "decided to establish an organization to standardize energy reporting, pursue industry ESG goals, & educate+grow the marketplace", which sounds like some top-notch corporate bullshit to please some possibly squirming fund managers who may have thought about dumping MSTR stock.