Bitcoin Forum
May 08, 2024, 12:55:42 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Poll
Question: What happens first:
New ATH - 43 (69.4%)
<$60,000 - 19 (30.6%)
Total Voters: 62

Pages: « 1 ... 29934 29935 29936 29937 29938 29939 29940 29941 29942 29943 29944 29945 29946 29947 29948 29949 29950 29951 29952 29953 29954 29955 29956 29957 29958 29959 29960 29961 29962 29963 29964 29965 29966 29967 29968 29969 29970 29971 29972 29973 29974 29975 29976 29977 29978 29979 29980 29981 29982 29983 [29984] 29985 29986 29987 29988 29989 29990 29991 29992 29993 29994 29995 29996 29997 29998 29999 30000 30001 30002 30003 30004 30005 30006 30007 30008 30009 30010 30011 30012 30013 30014 30015 30016 30017 30018 30019 30020 30021 30022 30023 30024 30025 30026 30027 30028 30029 30030 30031 30032 30033 30034 ... 33332 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 26375767 times)
This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (174 posts by 3 users with 9 merit deleted.)
ChartBuddy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2170
Merit: 1776


1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 06:01:38 AM


Explanation
1715172942
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715172942

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715172942
Reply with quote  #2

1715172942
Report to moderator
1715172942
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715172942

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715172942
Reply with quote  #2

1715172942
Report to moderator
1715172942
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715172942

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715172942
Reply with quote  #2

1715172942
Report to moderator
The Bitcoin network protocol was designed to be extremely flexible. It can be used to create timed transactions, escrow transactions, multi-signature transactions, etc. The current features of the client only hint at what will be possible in the future.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
1715172942
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715172942

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715172942
Reply with quote  #2

1715172942
Report to moderator
1715172942
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715172942

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715172942
Reply with quote  #2

1715172942
Report to moderator
1715172942
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715172942

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715172942
Reply with quote  #2

1715172942
Report to moderator
JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3710
Merit: 10225


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 06:34:33 AM

@LFC let's take it one day at the time.
Sure, it could go either way.

Mostly Biodom is correct.  Reversals do not necessarily just start to happening unless we get some kind of special bounce which would likely be a lot of volume and a further spike down before up, even though sometimes we do see those kinds of scenarios play out in which the downity stops and uppity resumes in a more gradual kind of way. 

For sure, many of us feel more confidence if some kind of battle takes place in order to have some kind of conviction about the reversal being real rather than fakity fake, but that that will frequently end with some kind of short-term spike down and then a bounce.

Either way.. or some variation of those... but if there is a certain kind of trend that is seeming to last in one direction, we know that the trend is your friend.. until it stops, so then a question becomes how to know that the down trend has stopped.. because sometimes we can get a bounce and then just resume the trend.... how much is enough?  How much is enough?

When we had our first major dip of 39% on December 3, about a week or two later, I had tentatively started to consider resistance points of $62k.. but now, since we have been bouncing around here.. and even having some more downity, there might be some need for more detailed attempts to figure out how much of a bounce that we need prior to getting back up to $62k.. so probably $52k, and $55k would be relevant points to consider that if we can bounce back above those points, then the bottom might be "in" even if the entering into noman's land is probably NOT until getting above $62k-ish.

@Macroscope17
Something that should help cushion BTC's downside in this cycle: yield.

In previous years it was a purely speculative asset. Not true anymore.

In a world of low rates, the ability to earn yield becomes very attractive when tacked onto potential long-term capital appreciation.
https://twitter.com/macroscope17/status/1479895758434357254?s=21

@Macroscope17
I can tell you anecdotally that the ability to earn yield is increasingly attracting high net worth investors to the space. We also know from public statements and SEC filings that companies are doing this or considering it, including MicroStrategy:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-17/microstrategy-may-lend-out-its-bitcoin-trove-to-generate-yield
https://twitter.com/macroscope17/status/1479897444737552387?s=21

Don't get too distracted by this yield nonsense... unless you are just playing around with very small parts of your holdings.. that you are willing to lose.. but I would suspect that through the years some of these products will become more competitive.. ..

last quarter mmpool.org hit 3 blocks of which I collected bigly. So I had to pay more for the last quarter than the first 3 combined. Had to redo all my tax moves due to the extra BTC

PILF

Problems I'd like to fight

Yeah 2021 was very good to me both $$$ and BTCBTCBTC wise.

Not in the league of many others  on the thread but I finally could end up as JJG say with f you money.

Maybe in 2 years  I would be there.

I believe that it is very realistic to consider a more conservative timeline, and also the possibility that the timeline could play out more quickly, especially if you have some relatively aggressive ("make up") tactics, and of course, you are not starting from scratch, either.

One of the problems with any shorter than 4-year timeline, is that we have seen scenarios in which a kind of down, flat, king daddy not cooperating, or at least not really making any significant progress can last for a decently long period of time to shake out the weak hands, and then none of us would want to be shaken out as a weak hand during times in which those scenarios seem to be playing out.. and we end up cashing out way too many coins too soon.. and do not get some of the benefits of the UPside.. Just consider folks who cashed out on the way up from the March 2020 liquidity event.. and they could have been cashing out too many coins throughout 2020 all the way between $6k and $25k, and it's not like BTC prices have ever meaningfully gotten back to those prices, even though there has been ongoing fear about such.. and such never to return to price ranges could occur again, and even though some folks may have felt pretty good about cashing out at $10k or even $12k or $14k which is quite a bit above the March 2020 bottom of $3,850, but still lot's of compounding opportunities seem to have been lost by people cashing out in those price ranges.. and sometimes there can be a lot of good feelings to NOT have to cashout as many coins .. such as cashing out 1/3rd or even 1/6th the amount by having some kind of ability to play your cards incrementally..  and sure sometimes BIG plays might work well too depending on the amount of an exponential UPpity run, presuming that those have not ended forever in bitcoin (and we have heard those kinds of depictions that from here on out stability blah blah blah.. many times, even though from time to time, for some strange reason, we still seem to witness exponential UPpity quasi-melting our faces.. until we need a rinse).
bitebits
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2211
Merit: 3178


Flippin' burgers since 1163.


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 06:57:50 AM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)

Quote
At the end of the 50BTC block subsidy era, there was 50% of Bitcoin left to be mined.

At the end of today’s 6.25BTC block subsidy era, there will be 6.25% of Bitcoin left to be mined.

And on and on.


(additionally cool, in this 6.25 era, 6.25% of the total will be mined)
https://twitter.com/gladstein/status/1479703692974510082
ChartBuddy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2170
Merit: 1776


1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 07:01:27 AM


Explanation
JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3710
Merit: 10225


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 07:38:11 AM

I am generally agreeing with everything, apart from the new ATH in 2022, but, hey, I think that 60K and even a stretch to 65K is possible, so it could be close.

To contrast, you still think that we are in the bull market, whereas I think that prior is either already over or ending with, hopefully, a milder bear (it very well just be a retest of 29K plus minus one-two K).
To me, there is nothing in current behavior that indicates bull continuation. Alas, if it suddenly turns up, I might consider that the bull is still alive, otherwise I am of the opinion that we are in the new market cycle already with relative flat (or band of 29-60K) continuing for a while.

Yes.. and you are unwilling to betting those terms that you assert including your assertion that the BTC price range for 2022 will stay within $29k to $60k.. and your assertion that there is ONLY a 1% chance of supra $200k during that timeframe. 

Sure, we would not need to bet the exact extremes that you are asserting or your outrageous pie in the sky probabilities that you have not really even described with specifics beyond vaguely asserting that $29k to $60k is the most likely scenario that you see... and what is it's probability?  30%? or some other number?  You have only asserted it as some kind of certainty but you are not really too keen on standing behind your own assertion.  Sure the less than 1% chance of going over $200k in the next year is surely specific enough if you would even come close to standing behind such nonsense.

The punchline seems to be that you don't even come close to any kind of serious discussion to really put some kind of bet down for your own assertions that you are proclaiming to be reasonable but not willing to defend them.

And surely such a bet, if it were to be negotiated does not even have to be for much money at all.. the money is just for an attempt to put some kind of tangibility to it especially since we are not really talking about 50/50 odds.....as far as I can determine.. if you have something that you want to evenly bet then maybe we could discuss that, but you seem to be claiming way higher than 50/50 odds that BTC prices would be staying in your stated range of $29k to $60k for this calendar year. 

Of course, since you are proposing less than 1% odds for supra $200k in the calendar year, then betting could actually put that number into concreteness.  Yeah, we have already gone over some of this, including your desire to diverge away from the topic and to create some other terms than what you are claiming and you also want to propose outrageously dumb numbers that do not even reflect the odds that you are actually asserting, even while at the same time you continue to proclaim scenarios that are quite likely low in probabilities, but you are assigning high probabilities to some of your proposed scenarios - anyhow your scenarios are either quite likely to be wrong or of much lower probabilities than you are spewing them out to be.
ChartBuddy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2170
Merit: 1776


1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 08:01:28 AM


Explanation
ChartBuddy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2170
Merit: 1776


1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 09:01:36 AM


Explanation
ivomm
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1854
Merit: 2841


All good things to those who wait


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 09:48:22 AM
Merited by El duderino_ (5)

Since the poll is still broken, I suggest a mini poll: What will be the top price in the next week. I say 50 750$. Reasons: quite often after a 30%+ dip from the ATH follows a 25% increase from the bottom. I believe 40 600$ was the bottom, hence the number. If this is not the bottom, better prepare your wallets for the brief opportunity to buy below 40K. Grin
vapourminer
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 4326
Merit: 3523


what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 09:52:21 AM
Last edit: January 09, 2022, 10:04:28 AM by vapourminer
Merited by El duderino_ (4)

Since the poll is still broken, I suggest a mini poll: What will be the top price in the next week. I say 50 750$. Reasons: quite often after a 30%+ dip from the ATH follows a 25% increase from the bottom. I believe 40 600$ was the bottom, hence the number. If this is not the bottom, better prepare your wallets for the brief opportunity to buy below 40K. Grin

high price in the next week? ill go with whatever proudhon says minus one dollar. the minus one dollar thing is because hes so well known to be overly optimistic all the time so..

lowest buy ive hit is 41.4k usd so far.
ChartBuddy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2170
Merit: 1776


1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 10:01:32 AM


Explanation
ChartBuddy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2170
Merit: 1776


1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 11:01:29 AM


Explanation
ChartBuddy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2170
Merit: 1776


1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 12:01:48 PM


Explanation
dragonvslinux
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1666
Merit: 2204


Crypto Swap Exchange


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 12:14:18 PM
Merited by JayJuanGee (2), Biodom (1)

Seriously though, any chance we could resume the bull market? Nothing would make me happier, I am doubtful though.

Just for you, since I know you're still holding 75% of stash and therefore hoping for upside. Here are some squiggly lines for you, as if drawn by a child, with volume profile included:



The point beside being a little drunk rn, is that last years move from $30K-$40K (accumulation) to $50K-$60K (distribution) meant very little in the long-term perspective, as price didn't continue higher. Now price has dropped from $69K down to $40K, it again means very little in the long-term, only that it's likely price returns to the accumulation zone. Just like when price returned to the distribution zone, for more distribution.

I think despite all the technical analysis, fundamentals, on-chain data and otherwise that vary between bullish and bearish, this is pretty neutral trading right now. Bouncing from above the accumulation zone, prior to further accumulation would be very bullish, but otherwise returning to the accumulation zone isn't as bearish as people consider, as there's nothing unhealthy about long-term consolidation at higher levels.

Of course price could drop to $25K, even $20K, but ultimately for the past 12 months this has always been the case. The only difference is that now it's less likely it seems. I'm still pretty bearish short-term, as only see broken support from what turned out to be no mans land (not re-accumulation), but I otherwise struggle to consider that the bear market has truly begun given the healthy accumulation and distribution pattern.

Sure it could take some months, maybe even many, but I doubt it will take until 2023, 2024 or 2025 until there is a new ATH again.

Nice analysis, but TA cannot include some macro factors like Chinese ban in May 2021. Without it, we would have made the trip to 100K already, most likely.

You're right, it can't. It certainly didn't in early 2021 that's for sure. Institutional & whale selling in the $50K-60K wasn't the issue though, but the lack of re-accumulation between $30K-$40K.
Possibly also because of this ban I realise. Hash rate was still struggling at these prices so the fundamentals weren't all pointing back to immediate upside.

I am generally agreeing with everything, apart from the new ATH in 2022, but, hey, I think that 60K and even a stretch to 65K is possible, so it could be close.

That I can understand. Price has been in the same price range for 12 months. It'd be naive to think it can't stay within this range for another 12 months.  

That said, it's not common for Bitcoin's price movements to remain range bound for such extended periods, so while it's already happened for considerable time, I wouldn't bet on continuation either. Therefore, I think this long-term consolidation at higher levels is much more likely to break to the upside than the downside, simply based on current macro bullish price structure, nothing complicated here.

To contrast, you still think that we are in the bull market, whereas I think that prior is either already over or ending with, hopefully, a milder bear (it very well just be a retest of 29K plus minus one-two K).

In all honesty, I'm remaining open minded. Based on long-term moving averages like the 50 Week MA @ $48.3K that has now been broken, the bull market has almost ended. But I prefer to stay conservative with my perception of these averages, so only when this MA is sloping downwards will I consider the bull market over, likely with a retest that confirms it as resistance as well. Because in the meantime (many weeks), this MA can still be relatively easily reclaimed if price were to reverse and bounce to upside, as +15% really isn't a big move in Bitcoin world. Notably also for example on the mid-term when the 50 Day MA was broken the mid-term bear trend didn't begin, but when this MA starting sloping downwards instead. This is when we saw the breakdown below $53K.

I wouldn't rule out a re-test of $29K, but also think the mid $30K levels will be well defended, given the much larger amount of accumulation at these levels than distribution at higher levels. It looks like that half of these accumulators sold around the $50K-60K distribution level (or on average these accumulators sold half @ 2x), but otherwise the other half didn't (based on volume profile). So I don't believe they will be selling at break even after holding for 6+ months, as it's common for 6+ months hodlers to panic sell at break-even. They are more likely to re-accumulate at lower levels if it comes, or accumulate more in the mid $30Ks imo.

To me, there is nothing in current behavior that indicates bull continuation. Alas, if it suddenly turns up, I might consider that the bull is still alive, otherwise I am of the opinion that we are in the new market cycle already with relative flat (or band of 29-60K) continuing for a while.

As I've stated in this thread multiple times, I still see higher highs and higher lows, and will continue to see that even if price corrects further to mid $30K levels. If prices reach the lower range of $29K-$30K, then sure, I will accept the fact the trend is completely sideways (rather than still within a purely macro bullish price structure), but again I find this unlikely for reasons above, minus a wick to flush out weak hands.

If the bull market were over however, I'd consider it to have ended with the original ATH of $64K, as opposed to that of $69K that was merely a fake-out, therefore creating an ATL or new local low in April time (ie 12 months of downside/sideways trading) as opposed to creating a new low in November time at much lower prices, like many are fearing right now. Ie, reversal in a few months at most.

The underlying issue I see right now is that open interest is at at time high levels, so in the short-term this is very bearish as traders are trading short-term bearish price movements to the downside. Previously price has always been dominated by miners, now it's clearly derivatives trading as well as futures. But just like when $40K was broken to the upside back in July, this can flip to bullish leverage very quickly.
shahzadafzal
Copper Member
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 1540
Merit: 2905



View Profile
January 09, 2022, 12:46:10 PM

Bitcoin Works for You, While You Work for the U.S. Dollar.


https://twitter.com/ssaurel/status/1479812885928943620?s=21
ChartBuddy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2170
Merit: 1776


1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 01:01:28 PM


Explanation
aysg76
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1960
Merit: 2124



View Profile
January 09, 2022, 01:10:31 PM

The harsh reality which is slowly coming in front of everyone and as soon you understand this btc is a tool to protect you against this inflation and the government bullshit and their reckless money printing scheme :



And now here is bitcoin growth chart on the other side whom he's calling for complete fund loss strategy :



See how they destabilize their economy themselves and put blame on others for the same but we need to understand what is beneficial for us as the true picture is with all of us.

Not going to elaborate more because sometimes short sentences do make the big meanings.
ChartBuddy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2170
Merit: 1776


1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 02:01:28 PM


Explanation
cygan
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3150
Merit: 7805


Crypto Swap Exchange


View Profile WWW
January 09, 2022, 02:20:57 PM
Merited by JimboToronto (1), d_eddie (1), Farmer Bill (1)

 Grin Grin

El duderino_
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2506
Merit: 12065


BTC + Crossfit, living life.


View Profile
January 09, 2022, 02:31:49 PM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)

d_eddie
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2492
Merit: 2913



View Profile
January 09, 2022, 02:41:41 PM



"Yes, but we can make up for that by making moar! Brrrrr!
Bitcoin on the other hand has fixed cap... can't add moar... you see?"

(Uh... wait a minute...)
Pages: « 1 ... 29934 29935 29936 29937 29938 29939 29940 29941 29942 29943 29944 29945 29946 29947 29948 29949 29950 29951 29952 29953 29954 29955 29956 29957 29958 29959 29960 29961 29962 29963 29964 29965 29966 29967 29968 29969 29970 29971 29972 29973 29974 29975 29976 29977 29978 29979 29980 29981 29982 29983 [29984] 29985 29986 29987 29988 29989 29990 29991 29992 29993 29994 29995 29996 29997 29998 29999 30000 30001 30002 30003 30004 30005 30006 30007 30008 30009 30010 30011 30012 30013 30014 30015 30016 30017 30018 30019 30020 30021 30022 30023 30024 30025 30026 30027 30028 30029 30030 30031 30032 30033 30034 ... 33332 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!