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January 30, 2022, 02:24:47 PM
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Fuck the debating lets all agree that we all want to see Bitcoin continue to rise and we all get stinking rich that we have fuck you status


He is right in his way and I am trying to make sense with my own opinion however our goal is same. I appreciate his opinion and TBH it’s nothing personal. All good!

About the fuck you status, I am working on it since the day I heard about BTC.
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100% of the time, time in the market beats timing the market...every time.

I know a retired guy who day trades for a living now. In a really great year, he is lucky to make about $25-30K, which barely pays some of his bills. In a bad year, he makes next to nothing. His wife still works a day job. They are both in their 60s, and his son has some major medical bills that they are helping out with.

After he retired, he paid $20K in 2013 to some "trading guru" for a week just to learn how to day trade. And all the guy taught him was how to do safe channel trading, which you can self-learn online for free.

If he had put all of that $20K into bitcoin at the time and hedl, he'd probably have over $1M by now. Instead he barely has any savings.

He would shit his pants if I told him how much my investment in bitcoin is worth today. He doesn't even know that I own any.
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He would shit his pants if I told him how much my investment in bitcoin is worth today. He doesn't even know that I own any.

That my friend, is the way to keep it. Never let your normie friends know how rich you are Wink
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He would shit his pants if I told him how much my investment in bitcoin is worth today. He doesn't even know that I own any.

That my friend, is the way to keep it. Never let your normie friends know how rich you are Wink

At least for me, yes.

If I was a narcissistic asshole like many of my former colleagues and some of my family members, I'd be bragging to everyone and their brother and driving around in a Lambo with a BITCOIN license plate.

But that's just not me. Can't do it. I don't need the ego stroking, and I'm way smarter than that with my money. Plus for OpSec reasons, I don't want anyone to know.

I've simply told family members that I'm early retired due to "good investing" and left it at that. They don't even know that I'm the wealthiest family member that there has ever been. They still idolize and worship the one uncle that's been in real estate his whole life, and who has gained and lost millions and is now broke and swamped with debt at the age of 75. His wife recently found out that he had secretly been taking out small equity loans against the house to give free money to his grown adult kids.  🤦 Roll Eyes They went to sell the house recently, and he confessed to her that there was barely any equity left over after the sale. Now they have to majorly downsize, and their retirement is in jeopardy. 🤦🤦
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but even "legal tender" in a U.S. state would not make Federal cap gain taxes go away. And that's the big rub.
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I find it fascinating that many (not all) on social media who wore laser eyes in Mar/Apr and predicted a rocket shot 🚀for $BTC in Nov now are predicting that the $30k level will be violated

When bulls wear laser eyes -- time to SELL
When bulls become bears -- time to BUY?Huh

https://twitter.com/peterlbrandt/status/1487845821299105795?s=21
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Impressive features makes me even more bullish than before.

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You can predict the monetary policy of #Bitcoin  from now until forever.

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If $33k already was the "capitulation", it was reached pretty early. Uncomfirmed, yet showing noticeable sell volume.
Feels bullish somehow.
Have a good #hodlsleep.

I don't know how you would presume early?

We have had nearly three months of down.. and for sure at some point it is going to need to stop, whether we see some kind of traditional reversal or something more whimpy.  That $33k that you mention represents a bit over a 52% correction.. that has been followed by an earlier 56% correction.. so that surely seems like enough down for me, and I see no reason that we need to have any kind of capitulation in order for the momentum to resume UPpity... sure anything can happen, but we do not have to have "down before up."

In other words, there does not have to be capitulation for the bottom to be "in" - even though some peeps do appreciate a more clear sign that the bottom is "in" but that is NOT always how price dynamics play out in bitcoinlandia.


Right, sure it's not always how price dynamics play out.
I presumed early, in terms of the ol' cycle blowoff/long lasting bear grind down like 2017-2019. The market dynamics turned nuts in 2021, china exiting, ecologic mining FUD. "This time it's different", you remember?  Wink
Either way, it would be a good level to go up from here, maybe sideways first, until investors are convinced it's "safe" to put their money onto the table (again).
Another assumption: The higher the price, the less steep the climbs. The higher the "tops", the higher the "lows". Unless no more market shaking events happen in the near future, BTC is ready to go (again) from here. SOMA, IMHO

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https://twitter.com/documentingbtc/status/1487836792049086464?s=21

I see some problems here, especially with rising energy prices. Miners have to stay profitable to keep going.
Well, we also know the difficulty algo, which takes care of drastic changes in global hashpower, and we have observed how flexible miners are when they are forced to change (location, primary energy sources, integration). Mass adoption is decoupled from the mainnet via lightning, so i expect the network and Bitcoin as a currency to persist, while success is not guaranteed. Additionally, i always remind myself that it keeps winning for more than a decade, against all odds that the conventional financial system called out within this timespan. We truly live in interesting times.
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Fuck the debating lets all agree that we all want to see Bitcoin continue to rise and we all get stinking rich that we have fuck you status

WRONG WAY CHARTBUDDY...

There are always going to be debates in these here parts, and even some of us guys who agree quite a bit on a variety of matters will get into pretty serious debates and sometimes devolve into personal attacks.. sure I am not advocating personal attacks but sometimes matters go in that direction..and maybe even for good reason.

Also, sometimes on a personal level I come to a conclusion that some members in these here parts are acting in bad faith or in disingenuine ways, and sometimes with the passage of time, I come to change my mind about them.. but  I am not going to shy away from attacking members who sometimes might show these kinds of tendencies.. I have been attacked in the same way, and I don't necessarily find it problematic because I believe my post history speaks for itself.. and sure, I will concede that there are sometimes that I do go at a member a bit stronger than warranted.. but I am not willing to concede that my recent going at ImThour is not warranted.. at least not so far, even if he has put out a few seemingly bullish /informative posts in recent times.

If I had an "extra" house, I could have sold it in 2016 too as I was trying to invest as much as I could (within some strict limits), but selling the house where I live-you have to be a bit more adventurous-like the Taihuttu dude (he sold the house when btc was $900, became a nomad with his whole family).

In any case, selling a live-in house to try to gain a bit of leverage is probably beyond most people. I have seen a couple reports like this, but usually it was a second house of a house that was inherited.
I have thought about this for a long time.

If you have no family depending on you and you do not have a partner it is a good idea. Sell the house for $300k buy a small camper van to live in so I am not homeless and travel the country by setting aside 10k by the time I have traveled all states I would probably profited by at least 1.5x.

280k x 1.5 = 420k

that is the minimum i think it rises it probably would be 2x

I could move into a house bigger then I have now for  1-2 years of living in a camper van. I would not need a mortgage and if a short time I would have improved my lifestyle forever

I am not going to completely poo poo your idea, but there is likely some need to consider the matter in a more broad way - because ONLY so many people will be in a position to be able to do something like what you are suggesting.

I do believe; however, there is quite a bit of value in engaging in a variety of ways to calculate ways that you can be relatively aggressive during the period in which you are accumulating BTC - but the period of aggressive BTC accumulation could well last over 10 years.,. sure, some people might be in a position to aggressively accumulate in a year or two but again, we should attempt to be considering a large percentage of the population when we are considering ways to shave some of our costs or to increase our income in order that we can accumulate bitcoin.  

Another thing is that a house may well not be a bad place to put value, even though surely some people are over-housed depending on where they are in life so some people do get way more burdened by owning a house than they are benefitted - but in the whole scheme of things, real estate is not a bad place to hold some of your value... even while you might be in the process of aggressively accumulating BTC.

By the way funsponge, even if we look at your timeline specifically, you have been registered on the forum for about the same amount of time as me, so I am pretty familiar with how bitcoin has performed during that time, but for sure, I cannot really know your personal circumstances.. so maybe you might not have been in a position to accumulate a lot of BTC in your early days registered on the forum.. but even a $10 per week accumulation might have put you in a pretty decent position with around 3 BTC currently, depending on how consistent that you might have been in your ongoing BTC accumulation, and of course, a $100 per week could have put you in the ballpark of around 30 BTC currently.. which surely would not be a bad place to be.  

So part of my point is that with bitcoin historically serving as such an asymmetric bet to the upside there have been ways for any of us to have been able to put ourselves in a pretty decent financial/psychological position without necessarily going to extremes.. and really I do not assess bitcoin as a worse investment currently as it was in early 2014.. even though some of the Upside has been taken away with our around 50x in the market cap during that time.... In past year and a half or so, I have been telling people to minimally start investing into bitcoin with $100 per week, even though historically I had asserted that they should minimally start with $10 per week.  I do understand that not everyone is able to afford $100 per week, so each of us should be doing what we can... and if we have been in bitcoin for several years, then at least we already have some kind of a bitcoin base, even if we have not yet reached our BTC accumulation targets or something like what we might consider as fuck you status.... but we also can recognize that even if we made a lot of mistakes along the way and we might only hold less than 5 BTC, but even 5 BTC is likely to constitute fuck you status within the next couple of 4-year cycles...

In some sense, I am merely suggesting that merely engaging in ongoing BTC accumulation does not necessarily require going on limbs such as selling your house, even though there could be some practicality for some people to go down such a road, especially if they have some mobile aspects like you mentioned... and especially if they might feel that they are not really losing anything by going mobile for a few years (I believe a minimum of 4 years remains a good framework when thinking about any lump sum investment into BTC that any of us might have made - no guarantees, either)  while they continue to accumulate BTC and also let their purchase of BTC (from the proceeds of their house presumable) play out.
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That my friend, is the way to keep it. Never let your normie friends know how rich you are Wink
This is exactly the reason why I lost my friends.

Now my friends are my family.

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 This tweet makes no sense; the Russo-Ukranian war began nearly 8 years ago and is still ongoing.  Also, exactly what problem would we be part of?
Considering that we hodlers are gleefully protecting our assets from that very thing - control of our money by a central authority while speculating on the demise of the current system for any and every reason - I guess we're all guilty as charged by C∅bra.  I'm not about to swap my bitcoin for dollars just in case some other banking cartels pile a few more sanctions on Russia and my wealth is preserved so colour me horrible I suppose.  I actively implore others to buy bitcoin today as well.  Be horrible! Buy Bitcoin!  Somberly if possible, gleefully if you must - just don't tweet about it; it's best kept a secret.
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That my friend, is the way to keep it. Never let your normie friends know how rich you are Wink
This is exactly the reason why I lost my friends.

Now my friends are my family.

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 This tweet makes no sense; the Russo-Ukranian war began nearly 8 years ago and is still ongoing.  Also, exactly what problem would we be part of?
Considering that we hodlers are gleefully protecting our assets from that very thing - control of our money by a central authority while speculating on the demise of the current system for any and every reason - I guess we're all guilty as charged by C∅bra.  I'm not about to swap my bitcoin for dollars just in case some other banking cartels pile a few more sanctions on Russia and my wealth is preserved so colour me horrible I suppose.  I actively implore others to buy bitcoin today as well.  Be horrible! Buy Bitcoin!  Somberly if possible, gleefully if you must - just don't tweet about it; it's best kept a secret.


I disagree.
Cobra is very specific here and does not generally address hodlers.
If you don't get excited about Russia (i mean 99% people like me and you) getting excluded from a pseudo-standard financial transactions network, just because it could result in a price rise of Bitcoin, you're absolutely not included in this rant.
It's almost the same like having supported the war in irak because of expectations that the dollar would rise in the face of a booming arms industry, imho.
Please tell me you're not that type. If you aren't, you are not getting adressed by this tweet in any way.

EDIT: Re-reading that tweet after posting i see Cobra's last sentence being clear AF regarding the addressed audience.

EDIT2: Remember, most of the germans were shouting for WW2 because they expected more wealth from it. That's a very low motive in terms of humanity, isn't it?
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