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I will put it another way.

That curve for the internet adoption includes millions upon millions of cell network towers being built.  It includes satellites being launched  into space.  It includes cables being laid across the bottom of the ocean.  It includes an entire generation of people in every country adopting smart phones (and/or computers).  It includes documents being converted into electronic form.  Entire  libraries digitized.  Millions of miles of coaxial cable strewn all over the earth. And then the same thing again but with optical fiber.  And most of that took, what?  About 30 years?

Bitcoin adoption?  Well it requires all the above, which is already done, and then?

Someone to download an app, and produce an address/invoice.  Not going to take 30 years.  The young generation can do that in 30 seconds.
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"files within an online account [...] contained the private keys" LOL
I guess it's a good thing that criminals are idiots.

Not even an encrypted wallet.dat?

That's just full retard criminals right there.

Glad they were caught and something was able to be clawed back from the hack.
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February 08, 2022, 08:48:24 PM

The Bitfinex thieves (or at least the ones that ended up with the coins):

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-arrested-alleged-conspiracy-launder-45-billion-stolen-cryptocurrency





Wow.. interesting.

I think that many of us were assuming that the Bitfinex "hackers" were never going to be found - and especially, if found, not expecting many of the coins to get recovered.., and geez a husband and wife team of hackers.. huh?  true or not.. let's consider the matter..

For sure the USDOJ public release document remains quite laudatory towards the USGovt policing efforts and striving to suggest that no one is really going to get away from them - no matter the type of obfuscating that they are attempting to accomplish - and frequently mistakes are made (fair enough) - and surely we have seen Govt officials exaggerate regarding their own skills/abilities in the past (whether US Govt or other Govts have tendencies to do that) - but still interesting that the USDOJ take such a stance in their publicly released document.... and for sure, just through the press released document, it seems that a weakness (at least in terms of the USGovt getting ahold of the 94k recovered BTC was that the hackers were apparently holding their coins with a third-party service rather than in a privately controlled wallet.. at least that is what I gathered from this portion of the press release:

"After the execution of court-authorized search warrants of online accounts controlled by Lichtenstein and Morgan, special agents obtained access to files within an online account controlled by Lichtenstein."

So that does seem to be a pretty BIG mistake to be holding those coins with a third party - and not trying to suggest ways that "hackers"/"criminals" might improve their techniques, but just pointing out that we had already seen some implications that there might be something wrong with bitcoin.. when the reality does seem that there was a kind of third-party access involved, and we do not yet know which third party that was - whether we will find out is another interesting question, no?

Another historical conspiracy theory concern that had a decent amount of logical validity was that there was likely quite a bit of speculation that there was "insider-jobbedness" going on with the purported Bitfinex hackening - and this USDOJ press release does seem to lend credibility to Bitfinex's version of events - that there was no "insider" aspect to this - even though for sure, none of us should be accepting any new information without any possible grain of salt skepticisms.

By the way, I had also recalled that in late 2016, Bitfinex had issued a couple of different kinds of tokens (and/or forms of equity), and one of them regarded the account holders getting reimbursed (for their losses - socializing the losses based on total holdings that any account holder had on Bitfinex at the time of the hack), but another relevant form of equity token that Bitfinex issued around that late 2016 timeframe had to do with potential profitability (or windfall to equity purchasers) regarding if any of the hacked coins were to ever be recovered.. gosh and I suppose that anyone still holding those kinds of equity tokens with Bitfinex would be receiving some considerable windfall profits from this matter, if it ends up being true...

Another aspect that I recall is that Bitfinex did not permit any US resident to purchase any of those equity tokens that involved potential recovery of the "hacked" coins.. but I had not really kept track of those matters either... I would actually expect that Bitfinex has been a quite conniving business entity during this whole process (as it has shown itself to be), and I would suspect that Bitfinex had likely bought back a decent quantity of those hacker recovery related tokens/equity over the years.

Another thing is that in the past few weeks, we did hear about some recent moving of the "hacked" coins, so surely mistakes may have been made in those most recent coin movements that ended up drawing attention to how to identify the purported "hackers"?   Perhaps?  perhaps?
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This story is not done percolating.  For sure.




LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy

I had a good laugh. Smiley  .. He seems pretty dumb for a "Doutche".  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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February 08, 2022, 09:34:43 PM

The Bitfinex thieves (or at least the ones that ended up with the coins):

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-arrested-alleged-conspiracy-launder-45-billion-stolen-cryptocurrency





Bullish! 100k BTC are no longer for sale.  Cool

P.S. Monaco arrests Liechtenstein?  Grin

Oh?  What do you believe is going to happen to those 94k BTC that were seized?  They will go back to Bitfinex, no? Or you believe that they will just be held for several years?

It could be true that they would be held for several months, and maybe even up to a year, but isn't there a rightful owner claim?  Wouldn't that be Bitfinex?  Sure, I may well be missing something here.  Maybe there would be litigation, and the account holders of Bitfinex will launch a suit to say that the coins are not Bitfinex's but instead the holders of the coins on the exchange at that time?  Does Bitfinex's issuance of an equity token regarding the recovery of the lost coins help Bitfinex to claim that the coins belong to such equity token pool?
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I think that many of us were assuming that the Bitfinex "hackers" were never going to be found - and especially, if found, not expecting many of the coins to get recovered.., and geez a husband and wife team of hackers.. huh?  true or not.. let's consider the matter..

Not quite. If I got it right they were hired to launder the money.  
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Meanwhile: back over $44k and getting ready for an attack on $45k I suppose...  Cool
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February 08, 2022, 10:13:21 PM

Are you guys seeing it?  My eyes are about to pop out of my head.

-The WHOLE WORLD is watching as governments collude with private businesses to steal 10mm from good faith donors
-At the same time the people have seen decentralized BITCOIN based solutions take in hundreds of UNSTOPPABLE thousands
-The US just topped over 30 TRILLION dollars USD
-Billionaires are tearing down the doors to get in.
-At least 25% of the globe has awakened to a worldwide conspiracy to push us into pods/no-meat/metavere/digital passports/CDBCs

THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME RUNNING.

"We are still early" <- Almost over.
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The Bitfinex thieves (or at least the ones that ended up with the coins):

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-arrested-alleged-conspiracy-launder-45-billion-stolen-cryptocurrency





DUMP INCOMING !!!!! DUMP ALERT !!! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Those 94K will not be stared at. If returned.. then they will be sold, mostly, most of them. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Those 94K will not be stared at. If returned.. then they will be sold, mostly, most of them. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Congrats.  That is the dumbest thing I have heard you say so far.
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As Explosive New Facts About Federal Reserve Insider Trading Scandal Are Revealed, Better Markets Renews Call for the Fed to End Its Cover Up and for an Investigation by the Justice Department


https://bettermarkets.org/newsroom/as-explosive-new-facts-about-federal-reserve-insider-trading-scandal-are-revealed-better-markets-renews-call-for-the-fed-to-end-its-cover-up-and-for-an-investigation-by-the-justice-department/


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Rule #1 of Federal Reserve : Foundation of everything we do rests on public confidence and independence from Gov/politicians

So...buy bitcoin
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So.. in other new Wells Fargo published this and the bitcoin community cheers in bullish adoration.

I will tell you why they are wrong. Smiley



Don't get me wrong... I do think this is a bullish chart.  But I believe the prediction is overly conservative.

For internet adoption to happen the citizens of earth needed a lot of expensive things.  A computer, and a connection to the internet, and the time to use it.  Eventually the cell phone worked it's way into the mix, and even the lowly Raspberry Pi was created to bring internet capable computing to the least rich on the planet.  These facts were the resistance behind this adoption curve.  The building out of worldwide wireless networks is undoubtedly one of the most important achievements of mankind.

Now for bitcoin.  What will the users need? 

Nothing more than the things they got in the first adoption curve.  A computer, a cell phone, and a network connection to the worldwide network.

See the difference?  Perhaps subtle... but very large. The implication of this chart is Bitcoin will likely follow a similar curve.

I think not.  (can anyone guess how cAPS thinks the curve might be different Roll Eyes )
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Was a billionaire yesterday...
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is this from the complaint?
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Those 94K will not be stared at. If returned.. then they will be sold, mostly, most of them. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Congrats.  That is the dumbest thing I have heard you say so far.

ahhahah!.. I am sure it will be held as evidence for a significant period of time...
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