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May 14, 2022, 06:08:51 PM
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Casual retail investors can't get over the fact one BTC is so much money and doesn't return anything. When they see other coins are cheap and give 10% or 20% in "interest", and can rise in price like crazy.

Of course it always ends in tears...

yeah btc is like a 30 year t-bill with no interest. thus it holds back a lot of investors.
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After all it comes down to BTC… bitcoin have to same them all?


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All this drama and garbage surrounding LUNA and TerraUST, meanwhile exactly zero people can explain to me the purpose, utility or usefulness of either one. Especially when other solutions already exist.

Waiting for Do Kwon himself to come in here and debate me on his garbage coins.

Because he would lose that debate soundly.

The emperor has no clothes, and his size is not size.
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May 14, 2022, 07:01:03 PM

All the crypto talks start with BTC and ends with BTC.

It funny that’s how he presenting this to Luna but it really happened and it is truth we have example of it.

BCH, BSV, BTG all tried the same and should I quote the prices too?

BCH $204
BSV $51
BTG $18



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Looking at the chart, you can see clear signs of capitulation around the $26K level.  We then immediately saw a dead cat bounce up above $30K.  Personally, I'd like to see another volume spike during a selloff at a higher rate than $26K before I feel like we're out of the woods.  Right now, it still appears we are in a downtrend and so it's this high volume confirmation at a higher low that would signal to me that the market has changed direction.  We are very much still in a bear market that is dropping pretty quickly.  Buying here is that high risk high reward level where you're taking a leap of faith.  I'm not sure I'd want to jump in now, but if we do see that higher low confirmation on a volume spike it would signal that it's time (at least for the traders).   
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May 14, 2022, 07:53:23 PM

Regarding my morning post, i think i want to make clear:

1. the pandemic isn't really over
2. Bitcoin is not dead

It's just that the general public acts otherwise...

Good night  Grin
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May 14, 2022, 08:29:56 PM

The pandemic is over
Bitcoin is dead
IDC

GM y'all Grin

The only pandemic that occurred is a serious affliction of the mental capacities of humans and it seems far from over

Luckily some of us seem to be immune to its effects Smiley

That's weird.  I know three people who died from the imaginary virus, and one who it gave a heart attack to.  All people in risk groups.  Also as a hospital data professional I was in part responsible for building the dashboards that tracked the progress of the imaginary disease.

Nuance is important.  There is no doubt that the greater contagion was the mind virus you mention.  But the design of that is to polarize us into extreme groups so we can be easily controlled.

When I was a kid you could also divide the population into two groups.  There were the "popular" kids who knew what to wear, and what music was currently cool, and what Saturday Night Live punchline should be currently said.  And then there was the other group, who was also aware of all those things but rejected them. We (I was in the latter group) made sure NOT to wear those clothes, made fun of the music and mocked the Saturday Night Live one liners.

It took me a while to realize we were really all playing the same game.

Didnt say there wasnt a virus. Corona virusses have existed for millenia and people have been dying from it since they first started animal husbandry.

Pandemic is the word I attacked.

Also your "dash boards" are full of false info. People falling down stairs and breaking their neck are counted as Covid death. Likewise people dying after taking covid shots (note: they arent vaccines), but before 2 weeks have passed since taking the second dose, are counted as "unvaxxed Covid death".

The data set has been dirty from the start. You've been visualizing false data. Garbage in garbage out.

After this post I will observe this threads preference not to talk about this topic...

But you are talking about data you know nothing about and drawing conclusions in your imagination.  I helped set up covid ICUs at multiple hospitals.  I have been on those units, full of dying people at times during the pandemic.  (The one you said did not exist)

The point that the pandemic is exaggerated, and was used to control the greater population, and that there were lots of dirty data in some settings is something I not only agree with, but probably know more about than you.

I just get sick of the constant insinuation that the people who i saw struggling to breathe and dying in hospital beds did not die of Covid, and the other insinuation that the good people who worked double shift after double shift to save as many of them as possible were in on some giant healthcare scam bug the SHIT out of me.

I know those nurses.  Including the ones that would not touch the vaccine with a 10 foot pole because of what they saw.

Last time I say it.  Nuance is important.

Nice (false) assumptions.

You set up dash boards which were filled with falsified data and then believe what those dash boards say because you know you set up those dash boards correctly. It should be obvious where your reasoning has failed you Wink
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May 14, 2022, 08:42:52 PM

Anyone want a 3D NFT of a dried up, over-used and old vagina?

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/madonna-defends-decision-sell-3d-072504161.html

No?

 Huh

 Maybe she can hook up with Gwyneth Paltrow and come up with a scratch and sniff version.  Might be a great toy for cats and dogs.



 The hole would of course need to be enlarged significantly.
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May 14, 2022, 08:42:58 PM

I doubt that they will learn terra's lesson and quit investing in shitcoins. These people think they are smart, but they are not. They rely on their personal experience and achievements, but are not used to doubt every project and the man behind it. The cost of this lesson will be devastating one day.

These people work from a complex stack of fallacious logical thinking. They look around at those who have made money from Bitcoin and figure they're at least as smart and should be able to make money like those people. Then they look at Bitcoin and figure that the "make money fast" phase is done. Then they piece it all together and think "Shitcoins are cheap and still have the potential to make money fast and I am smart enough to make money fast, therefore if I invest in Shitcoin which has $INSERT_BUZZWORD_HERE going for it compared to all (or most) the other shitcoins, the only answer is that I will make money fast.".
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I doubt that they will learn terra's lesson and quit investing in shitcoins. These people think they are smart, but they are not. They rely on their personal experience and achievements, but are not used to doubt every project and the man behind it. The cost of this lesson will be devastating one day.

These people work from a complex stack of fallacious logical thinking. They look around at those who have made money from Bitcoin and figure they're at least as smart and should be able to make money like those people. Then they look at Bitcoin and figure that the "make money fast" phase is done. Then they piece it all together and think "Shitcoins are cheap and still have the potential to make money fast and I am smart enough to make money fast, therefore if I invest in Shitcoin which has $INSERT_BUZZWORD_HERE going for it compared to all (or most) the other shitcoins, the only answer is that I will make money fast.".

Exactly!

They just don't get that BTCitcoin never was a get-rich-quick scheme.

Unlike today, before Bitcoin, there was no other blockchain-based monetary network with insane gainz that would have attracted people to BTC

Most people who were buying BTC for 1 or 2 digits at that time were not aware that it would rise to 70k in 10years.

People bought it because they saw it as a revolutionary tech for people's freedom, or because they needed it as an independent payment system.

The get-rich-quick guys are the perfect bait that is begging to get fleeced.
As long as they appear, new shitcoins will appear with them.

So I think the shitcoin market along with new "inventions" like NFTs will accompany us for a very very long time...



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May 14, 2022, 09:37:56 PM

The easy solution is to just divest the alts and put it in safe investments like gold, silver, land and...  BITCOIN.

Holy fucking shit cAPSLOCK.  Do you require a bat slappening to get you to snap out of your seeming delusion to depriortize bitcoin in your above list of supposed good investments.

Your thinking seems to be muddled.

Did you forget where you were, brandon

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......... run to the safety of hard assets like precious metals, real estate and BITCOIN.  

oh my... You did it again...








When do we expect to see the market waking up and abandoning crypto altogether?

I admit that you raise a decently legitimate concern regarding what might be a kind of necessity to periodically purge various kinds of froth and shenanigans that's in the "crypto" space - when they are riding too much on bitcoin's coattails and also attempting to intertwine their crappy projects into bitcoin in a variety of potentially creative ways.

Historically, we have seen various times in which the froth of various shitcoins is seeming to get out of control, while at the same time, frequently it is not really clear how long various kinds of shitty projects are able to continue their various smoke and mirror shenanigans without having some kind of implosion, and surely there are a large number of us longer time bitcoiners who remain amazed about the length of time that the crappy aspiring second place to bitcoin shitcoin (that's gonna flippen us) has been able (or allowed) to continue with its various scams and ponzis or the various other projects that are also built upon it while who knows how complicit some of the participants are from one of those scam coins/projects to another.

So, sometimes we will witness some of the various implosions that end up being somewhat explanatory regarding how bitcoin may well have difficulties going up when some of the scams are going on in an adjacent space, so it really can be difficult to know how to calculate the activities of the adjacent space into some of the affects that they might have upon bitcoin, including that some of the froth just persists for extendedly long periods of belief that go beyond credulity.

Even though I frequently get negatively worked up when members are seeming to border upon positive spinning of various shitcoins in this thread, I have never taken the position that shitcoins are going to die or even that more money might not be within the making by getting involved in various aspects of the bitcoin adjacent spaces that are tied to shitcoins rather than even attempting to build upon bitcoin.

I am also going to take any claims with a considerable grain of salt when they are trying to proclaim  that the various shitcoins are leading the big dog... because until I actually see empirical evidence to establish the tail wagging the dog, I am going to presume that the dog actually wags the tail.. while at the same time, the tail does likely serve a purpose so we cannot really lop it off.. and maybe this analogy is not really working very well.

So sure, sometimes we have to attempt to account for the various shenanigans going on in shitcoinlandia, even though we cannot always really know when one project or another is going to implode or the extent to which some of those projects might be affecting the BTC price in one direction or another. which are still likely shorter term considerations rather than longer term considerations, and I have never even ever proclaimed that we should ignore shorter-term BTC price actions even though I have personally asserted that we have to prepare for either direction because we cannot really know how the various short term price dynamics are going to play out, and it is not like we can just ignore them, even if we try to prepare our best for the dynamics including when they seem to go to extremes.


I am having a hard time figuring the impact this will have on BTC.  But my gut thinks it could look something like this:

50% - Lower price
30% - Chop
20% - Rocket

What imprecision!!!!!!!

I am feeling it..

I am feeling it...



And the numbers are not even very close to being right.... I am not saying that you don't believe that, but you gotta work harder Boxer... hahahahahaha

I should maybe at least provide the proper framework.. look at the end of this post.  It shows my downity assignment from a few days ago (on the 11th).**

**I am not trying to be patronizing or even to claim that I got the numbers right.


Because enough people are going to exit ALL crypto to probably hurt bitcoin's price, or possibly keep it mostly even.

Now you are getting into tail wagging the dog territory...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


But if humans are smarter than I am giving them credit for in my above estimation then we will see a fire lit under our little rocket.

I am not going to claim that people are really smart, but there is still some difficulties to fight market dynamics.. so let's say there is a kind of keeping of the BTC price down as far as possible and for as long as possible, while at the same time, sometimes control is lost, but that does not mean that the outcome was a result of smart people.

I should slap you for even coming up with that theory.... hahahahaha

If your eyes are open you can see that SOMEONE is executing a planned, controlled demolition of western crony-capitalism.  And BITCOIN is either part of that plan or a huge bete-noir for those planners.  I think it is WAY more likely the latter which means they are going to HAVE to try to destroy it or render it somehow neutered.  But we know how this goes.  They can't.

I gotta agree with you here.

So where do we go next?  Feck if I know.

I agree with you here too.

You really seem to not know nuttin...as far as I can tell.

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All this drama and garbage surrounding LUNA and TerraUST, meanwhile exactly zero people can explain to me the purpose, utility or usefulness of either one. Especially when other solutions already exist.

Waiting for Do Kwon himself to come in here and debate me on his garbage coins.

Because he would lose that debate soundly.

The emperor has no clothes, and his size is not size.

Exactly that.
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Buying here is that high risk high reward level where you're taking a leap of faith.  I'm not sure I'd want to jump in now, but if we do see that higher low confirmation on a volume spike it would signal that it's time (at least for the traders).  


"High risk high reward level" Lol, A kinda, but I think $25k should have been a nice level and first point for investors to get in and start DCA.
Looking at the market entirely right now we've had a lot of sell off since this Bear market, and I guess at a partular point the market will start getting exhausted and we might get a supply shock which could turn the whole market around, So for me I see it as my first level and first opportunity to buy and I actually got my BTC at $25k which I'm aren't regretting because I started my DCA at that point so futher drop down presents more opportunity for me as I target $20k level.
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Waiting for it but i think the coming week will face a pressure of selling as if BTC recover then still there will be amount of people selling on the resistance's and also Capitulation value is still in progress.

Hooing June as a good month In My History Secound big crash which i am experiencing and This time i will make money I know that as i made some bottom buyings. Last time i was a Newbie but this time i know about recovery and holding power
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