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FYI...from https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/19/whimp/

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If you use the much less common “whimp” instead people may regard you as a little wimpy.

I must admit that I kind of like your whimpiness in some kind of way, and how heavily you seem to want to defend it in a way that borders on desperation .. hahahahaha

I am employing a whimpy spelling of the word wimp...

That said, now I am a wimp for not selling at $60 or 50K? Hilarious.

You likely realize that my reason for describing you as a whimp or wimp or whatever has to do largely with your reference to an accumulation style that seems to considerably hesitate in terms of ongoingly engaging with bitcoin and even buying at any price or whatever.. .. I don't claim to know your exact details, even though I have made some characterization of some of your ways of describing your thinking in regards to BTC accumulation, which subsequently likely affects your fear of selling BTC  since you likely don't even have close to enough - based on what seems to be your own self-imposed limitations.

That's o.k.  it is no big deal to me... even though it can be funny, from time to time, regarding how worked up you seem to get regarding some of these matters.. and you don't really seem to lose your temper as often as you had in earlier times, either..

Sure there seem to be some guys who did end up specifically selling around $50k to $60k, and buying back decently amounts of BTC at decently low prices.. and there seems to be some credibility behind their having had done that - even though I did not really agree with that approach but it did seem to work out pretty well for them both in financial and seemingly psychological ways too.. .. and in the end, each of us have our circumstances - and if you had done the same thing, I might have gotten on your case for engaging in some seemingly inconsistent behaviors.. and I did get on the cases of some of our members who did sell higher and buy lower, even though technically they did end up engaging in financially profitable conduct.    

Here is a bet (nonfunded):

I don't like the idea of calling "unfunded" as a bet... You seem to be making a prediction, and personally, if we are going to bet, I would prefer to actually bet, even if it were to end up being for a decently low quantity of satoshis... but maybe something at least meaningful enough that it might be more than the equivalence of $10.. but of course, if there are disparate odds, then the quantities might be much greater for one side as compared to another.. like for example when you made your bold statement about $200k not being reached by the end of 2022-ish.. something like that.. . and now your statement is not looking so outrageous, even though you went on radio silence when I wanted to try to get you to agree to some kind of monetary value on such bet (empty bet from you, as we subsequently discovered since you did not want to stand behind your own words.. because likely even you realized how extreme they were).

within 2-3 years anyone who sold at 50-60K would be considered a wimp,
That sounds too subjective to me, even though you are making a bullish statement.

It also does not really sound like something that is bettable in the strong enough sense that we would even be able to create bettable terms in which would take opposite sides of such a bet, if we were able to objectively frame it.

unless, of course, they sold at 60K, then bought back at 17.5-20K, but it is REALLY difficult to do if you already did something with that profit plus paid taxes on it; not impossible, but difficult. Every time I sell, I consider that bitcoin gone..but I haven't sell for a while.

I don't know.. a 2x to 3x spread should not be that difficult to justify having had sold.. even if accounting for taxes.  And of course, the sold BTC might have a cost basis of $200 to $3k perhaps, so selling at $60k-ish would be mostly all taxable.. .. but I don't really see any major issue in terms of having to pay taxes based on profits, and it seems that I have declared some BTC sales in my taxes for the past 5 or 6 tax years, and there was even one year that I was nearly finalizing my filing, and then within about 48 hours of my filing it, I discovered some sales that I had made and I had overlooked.... So, I had to spend nearly a day.. trying to figure that part out.. because it kind of threw me for a loop because I was considering that I had not had any reportable sales that year... fuck.. it seems to all have worked out.. .. and I don't feel deterred by any of that.. and even a couple of years, I ended up paying in way more than I usually did because I could not figure out any way to off set them or anything like that...

but it was still well worth it overall from my overall cash flow situation from those years by having those extra BTC to be available to me and to be able to have that money (BTC) was way better than if I had invested that same value in traditional investments.. something like 30x to 40x better.. if you consider in a more overall framework to take a snap shot of various investments and to find total BTC portfolio being UP about 50x to 80x or something like that for around an 8-year period, and various other investments of everything else not including BTC were up like 75% for that same 8-year period.. so something like a 30x to 40x difference in performance depending upon when exactly the snapshot comparative assessment between BTC investments and non-BTC investments would have been taken.

I have a sell order at 100K$. For something like 5% of my stash. The difficulty will be to keep it when we'll be approaching that level, so I'm already preparing myself. When the price goes down under 100K I don't want to have regrets.
You will regret it when it goes past $250k  Cool

I think that guys can figure out various points to shave off even decent quantities of BTC and not feel bad either way.. and there is a way to find that kind of a balance.. and shaving off 5% seems more than reasonable.. .. even though I have some objections to shaving off at round numbers.. so perhaps shaving some off (let's say 3%) in the $85k to $93k range and then doing another shaving of some (let's say 2%) in the $112-$118k range would come off as more reasonable from my way of thinking about lump sum presets.. because I am not so thrilled with rough numbers that everyone else is using.. which can cause for a manipulation point.. .. and then a kind of deadman's zone if the number breaks, then it becomes likely to go shooting past it..

I have a sell order at 100K$. For something like 5% of my stash. The difficulty will be to keep it when we'll be approaching that level, so I'm already preparing myself. When the price goes down under 100K I don't want to have regrets.

Make it 98-99K, lol...but, if we are in a normal circumstances, perhaps at least 10X from the actual bottom would be in play.
However, I decided to probably sell a chunk in 2025 regardless of the price; well, I would not do it if the price would be something silly (on the lower side).

But then you would not have 20 BTC anymore...

 Cry Cry Cry

You would be eliminated from the 20+ BTC club..

Didn't you get the memo?

and when BTC prices reach $10 milliion, you would no longer be able to reach your $200 million fuck you status... that would suck. You would need BTC prices to go higher than $10 million.. #justsaying.

EDIT Since we seem to replay the seventies (with major similarity being boomers vs millennials and the effect of those large cohorts on inflation), it stands to reason that stonks and bond markets might bottom by 2024 (with or without a flat all the way to 2030). Going long equities either on a spike down around 2024 and/or by the end of the decade should be one of those generational decisions: buy and forget about it for 20 years.

You're selling BTC so that you can buy stonks..

hahahahaha

you really take the cake, sometimes.


In other words.. you sound diluted..  (a while back, I had already determined that might be part of your problem... your underlying "whimpy" problem... hahahahahahaha)..


No not necessarily deluded (but maybe that too?) but diluted..
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Telling us all Putin is a monster whilst licking a real monster's butt.
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Let's cancel the Keystone XL so no oil jobs for you polluting Americans and Canadians, but plenty for religious nutters.

Fuck Joe Biden and the Kamal he came riding in on.

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USA is having hard time in convincing there Gulf slaves that they have to side with usa on ukarine issue. So far Gulf countries haven't sided with any in ukarine conflict. Rather KSA is also buying cheap Russian oil and will suplply that to usa and Europe.
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Bitch please .............. Gold produces more Energy each day than the mining grid uses the whole year worldwide. The mining grid doesnt use little lemme tell you this much. Gold is the most conductive material that exist.


Mining gold uses fossil fuel
Mining Bitcoin uses electricity like renewables

Yeah but if they build ammonia/hydrogen engines it would be mineable  without fossil fuel.

Not that I argue for gold as a value store.

Gold has an issue which is on any give day a new huge supply could be found.

It is possible that gold is more common than copper which would be good for electrical builds but terrible for gold hodlers.

Gold also has some decently BIG issues with verifiability, too.

Fuck gold.. and even considering it seriously.. because gotta thing about portability and divisibility too.. and also how fucking easy it is to take possession of your bitcoin, whether taking possession of 1 satoshi.. or 150k bitcoin or quantities between those amounts.

JJG called me a "walking moral hazard" once.

At least in the whole scheme of things, you appear to be handling such completely neutral and objective feedback well.. so far.....

Just send me your therapy bill after we get above $1 million.. .. I will set aside around 1/3 of my current BTC stash so that I will have some flexibility in contemplating possible ways to further ponder upon the matter at that point.. if such a point comes to the world (of course completely within my discretion, including but not limited the creation of an NFT.. if they are still a thingie by then?)..

There are limits to these kinds of matters... .. 


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BTC.d  following the channel and towards 41%
Alts will surge for short time and BTC.D touch the channel bottom. I'm more concerned with the BTC as I'm hoping for Good Green week.
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Fucking great shit, dudes!!!  Cool
It seems i have found a remedy against that Chronic Fatigue Pain-In-The-Ass.
Nattokinase, alternating with Lumbrokinase every other day, combined with Red Ginseng. I'm on this for a good week now.
Today i was roofing a house with friends, 8 hours of hard work in glaring sunlight, and i feel really tired, but not exhausted.
This would have sent me to bed after one or two hours,leaving me feeling exhausted and brainfoggy for a few more days. But today there's no brainfog, no muscle twitching/pains, no fatigue, no heart palpitations, no Post Excertional Malaise at all!
I*m feeling fucking great, i finally shaked off that fucking curse that got me for the last 11 years!

When i got a hint that Red Ginseng, combined with the two other enzymes, removed blood clotting and Small Fiber Neuropathy in Long Covid patients, i thought: "Hey, this might work with my postviral fatigue syndrome...", and it did.

When i watched the Bitcoin charts at the end of the day, it turned out to be the cream topping of all  Cool

Now there are only the memory problems left, and that high sensibility to noise and light. I'm sure there's a way i can get rid of that too  Grin



This is awesome! My wife has been hit with covid a second time and being a CFS sufferer it's really knocked the shit out of her. You able to PM me or post here the amounts of each you've been taking? If it can help her out I'm more than willing to try

Sure, always happy to help  Smiley

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1-2x Nattokinase 100mg caps (2.000 FU's - which is the concentration of the active ingredient)
1-2x Red Ginseng caps 600mg (120mg of Ginsenoside)
day 2:
1-2x Lumbrokinase 20mg caps
1-2x Red Ginseng caps 600mg

(&repeat)

On very active days i stick to the double dose for now, each one in the morning and early afternoon. Single dose seemed to do the trick after no more than a week.
Avoid Ginseng when taking blood thinners, since it can enhance problems with bleeding and wound healing. No (other) negative effects recorded.

Another benefit i got with the Ginseng-Kinase's mix is quite noticeable easing of breathing. It seems to do as some studies reflect, improving the blood flow/supply in the finest of vessels, which are also supplying nerve endings, the main problem with Fibromyalgia (muscle pains from light to normal activity).
Lumbrokinase is a bit more pricey (relatively. So it's still affordable), you should get the Red Ginseng and NK capsules pretty cheap. Just watch customer's feedback about supplements, there is a broad spectrum of quality in the supplement market.

For completeness:

I also had a Vitamin-B mix with RDA's of B1,B2,B3 and B6 around 300-400% and B12 no more than 120% RDA (i don't tolerate B12 too well), which had positive kognitive effects, and an additional dose of Thiamine (Vit. B1) 400-500mg after waking up.

I also take 25mg of zinc (just before sleep) for many years, which helps with mucosa recovery, but this is more targeted at my fructose-malabsorption problems, as well as a simultaneous dose of Bromelain (500mg).

That's all. Dietary Vitamin B and Zinc enhancement is being advised at ages of 40+, when cell activity is beginning to slowly decrease over the years.

I wish you and your wife the best in combating that nasty fatigue!
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Hi WO brethren,

It's been a moment.

While observing this depressing price action, I have been busy rebuilding my old lightning node.

I wanted to see if I could become a decent routing node, so I decided to make a fresh start with some proper hardware (NUC Ryzen 5, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD), accessible through both Tor and a public IP (opposed to my old Raspberry Pi4 Tor-only old node).

Within 4 weeks I reached a top 100 ranking according to the Terminal rank.



Although I'm no longer a top-100-ranked node (currently ranked 115) I have had some decent activity last week -- 1554 routing events with a total of 408M sats (4.08 btc) transferred. Not bad.

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@BobLawblaw There is such a strong demand to send sats your way. Roughly half of my failed HTLC's is through our channel. That's why Ive raised the fees. I have also tried to rebalance our channel, but it has a very low success rate...



Another unrelated thing to Lightning -- I just celebrated 10 years as a bitcoiner.

Looking throuh my email history, I came across this from 2012/07/13



Kapiton was the first BTC-exchange in Sweden, started in 2011 but defunct since 2013 (tragic story where owner commited suicide).

Anyway, happy 10-year anniversity to myself. Yay.
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Yeah man, give me a holla when you head that way again.... But in short if its the islands/coast you want, then go Krabi, if you got money go Railay....  Phuket is ok I suppose if you explore a bit, or you go there for the vegetarian festival madness, it is not a big as a whore house as Patayya but still pretty bad. I prefer the islands of Samui, Pha Ngan, and Tao to Phuket, even though they are also mega touristy... all depends what you are looking for really in your trip, Khao Sok national park is also cool, or up north of Thailand in the hills is also good.  Anyways lemme know when you head that way.

I am more interested in BTC bottoming out, but I can go anytime , its more some other practicalities I need to sort out.  I want to go house hunting in a few countries, and set up some new bases, looking to eject from UK on a permanent basis,  and want to set up several foreign residencies officially,  so need to combine that in my plans....and, moving pets around the place is hard, so will do some trips maybe 1-3 months at a time, get things in place, do some reconnoitring, some relaxing,  and then once I have found some properties I like, and I get my affairs in order, make the big move(s), then I want to set up some polytunnels n stuff, (I want to set up a homestead) , find some local workers, and then travel more.  

(not liking he looks of the airports atm though, seems staff shortages are screwing up a lotta places) 

So you are frequent flyer to different destinations. The best thing I like about Thai is that it's cheap, you get good hotels in 30$, I am talking about 2015 may be rates are increased now. Its very clean where ever you go. I travelled to Bangkok and Phuket only. I will defiantly contact you if I travel to Thailand. Thanks for the offer.

It's best that you travel to different countries and not static to one location like 99% of the world is.
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Network Capitulation #BTC, The Worst Capitulation event ever in last 3 years what next..

SOPR = price sold / price paid

2011 Bottom, 0.93
2015 Bottom, 0.94
2018 Bottom, 0.91

Today, 0.91






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 The NCAA was scraping the bottom of the barrel this year.  Witness the only other nominee who incidentally spent more than two years trying to become a woman:




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Notice how WEF sponsored propaganda outlets claiming we are already in their provoked WW3.
All whilst Hunter Biden is still classed as a decent, morally just, law abiding first class model citizen.


Putin is already at war with Europe. There is only one way to stop him
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/putin-already-war-europe-only-070030984.html


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Time to wake up and smell the cordite. Like shockwaves from an exploding missile, Vladimir Putin’s war on Europe’s edge is rapidly rolling westwards, blasting its way through the front doors of homes, businesses and workplaces from Berlin to Birmingham. Its fallout seeds a toxic rain of instability, hardship and fear.

Berlin to Birmingham? Really?  Roll Eyes

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Fortunately, there is an alternative: using Nato’s overwhelming power to decisively turn the military tide.

As previously argued here, direct, targeted, forceful western action to repulse Russia’s repulsive horde is not a vote for a third world war. It’s the only feasible way to bring this escalating horror to a swift conclusion while ensuring Putin, and those who might emulate him, do not profit from lawless butchery.

Really? NATO should invade a country that it has no association with so that it can forcefully stop another country it doesn't like from invading it?

And considering all the actions the collective west have taken so far that the article actually does state have backfired, military escalation would definitely NOT backfire?

Genius of the year: Simon Tisdall
wiki: From 1971 to 1974, he studied history, politics and philosophy at Downing College, Cambridge.

Obviously he was too busy studying during that period to notice what was going on in Vietnam at the time.
And last year when the USA left Afghanistan with its tail between its legs he was on holiday.

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Fucking great shit, dudes!!!  Cool
It seems i have found a remedy against that Chronic Fatigue Pain-In-The-Ass.
Nattokinase, alternating with Lumbrokinase every other day, combined with Red Ginseng. I'm on this for a good week now.
Today i was roofing a house with friends, 8 hours of hard work in glaring sunlight, and i feel really tired, but not exhausted.
This would have sent me to bed after one or two hours,leaving me feeling exhausted and brainfoggy for a few more days. But today there's no brainfog, no muscle twitching/pains, no fatigue, no heart palpitations, no Post Excertional Malaise at all!
I*m feeling fucking great, i finally shaked off that fucking curse that got me for the last 11 years!

When i got a hint that Red Ginseng, combined with the two other enzymes, removed blood clotting and Small Fiber Neuropathy in Long Covid patients, i thought: "Hey, this might work with my postviral fatigue syndrome...", and it did.

When i watched the Bitcoin charts at the end of the day, it turned out to be the cream topping of all  Cool

Now there are only the memory problems left, and that high sensibility to noise and light. I'm sure there's a way i can get rid of that too  Grin



This is awesome! My wife has been hit with covid a second time and being a CFS sufferer it's really knocked the shit out of her. You able to PM me or post here the amounts of each you've been taking? If it can help her out I'm more than willing to try

Sure, always happy to help  Smiley

day1:
1-2x Nattokinase 100mg caps (2.000 FU's - which is the concentration of the active ingredient)
1-2x Red Ginseng caps 600mg (120mg of Ginsenoside)
day 2:
1-2x Lumbrokinase 20mg caps
1-2x Red Ginseng caps 600mg

(&repeat)

On very active days i stick to the double dose for now, each one in the morning and early afternoon. Single dose seemed to do the trick after no more than a week.
Avoid Ginseng when taking blood thinners, since it can enhance problems with bleeding and wound healing. No (other) negative effects recorded.

Another benefit i got with the Ginseng-Kinase's mix is quite noticeable easing of breathing. It seems to do as some studies reflect, improving the blood flow/supply in the finest of vessels, which are also supplying nerve endings, the main problem with Fibromyalgia (muscle pains from light to normal activity).
Lumbrokinase is a bit more pricey (relatively. So it's still affordable), you should get the Red Ginseng and NK capsules pretty cheap. Just watch customer's feedback about supplements, there is a broad spectrum of quality in the supplement market.

For completeness:

I also had a Vitamin-B mix with RDA's of B1,B2,B3 and B6 around 300-400% and B12 no more than 120% RDA (i don't tolerate B12 too well), which had positive kognitive effects, and an additional dose of Thiamine (Vit. B1) 400-500mg after waking up.

I also take 25mg of zinc (just before sleep) for many years, which helps with mucosa recovery, but this is more targeted at my fructose-malabsorption problems, as well as a simultaneous dose of Bromelain (500mg).

That's all. Dietary Vitamin B and Zinc enhancement is being advised at ages of 40+, when cell activity is beginning to slowly decrease over the years.

I wish you and your wife the best in combating that nasty fatigue!

Thank you; very much appreciate it!
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