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April 22, 2014, 02:44:01 AM


As always, media prefer to report sick things done by 0.0000001% of the population, rather than the good done by a ridiculously bigger number. For every article like this one, there should be thousands about the potential contributions of cryptocurrencies to a global economy, about the millions of dollars given to charity by communities related to cryptos, and about how cryptocurrencies are currently teaching so much about economy to all those who take the time to read about them, and making a whole generation rethink what was almost unquestionned about fiat currencies.

How perverted they are.
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April 22, 2014, 02:55:39 AM


As always, media prefer to report sick things done by 0.0000001% of the population, rather than the good done by a ridiculously bigger number. For every article like this one, there should be thousands about the potential contributions of cryptocurrencies to a global economy, about the millions of dollars given to charity by communities related to cryptos, and about how cryptocurrencies are currently teaching so much about economy to all those who take the time to read about them, and making a whole generation rethink what was almost unquestionned about fiat currencies.

How perverted they are.

I guess they are implying that Bitcoin is the only form of currency that can be "untraceable," somehow I think they should re-think the whole prepaid Visa and American Express cards that are also untraceable. 
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April 22, 2014, 03:01:08 AM

I guess they are implying that Bitcoin is the only form of currency that can be "untraceable," somehow I think they should re-think the whole prepaid Visa and American Express cards that are also untraceable. 

Yep, and there are ways to make untracable paypal accounts, which are not really harder than anonymously buying bitcoins.
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April 22, 2014, 03:02:23 AM

we're going down
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April 22, 2014, 03:02:54 AM

article was just mentioned on tradingview:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609971/Disturbing-new-internet-child-abuse-sees-toddlers-raped-burned-live-webcam-paedophiles-use-Bitcoin-stop-traced-warns-police-chief.html

really disturbing stuff, but i have to think of this at the same time:



let's see how much the media will cannibalise it...

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Paedophiles pay for sick online 'shows' using untraceable Bitcoin

The blockchain, a ledger of every Bitcoin transaction since Bitcoin was created, is completely public.  This is hardly untraceable.  We can't trace the final receiving address until it spends some of its money.  But you can trace anyone who gave Bitcoin to the perps by following the chain back to an exchange where fiat turned to Bitcoin.  Then you find that person and track where they sent Bitcoin.  Detectives should be able to locate where the person got the BTC address they sent to and locate the owner of the address that way.  For example, someone posted the address on a forum.  Now you check the forum's records and get an IP address and you have a person.  Repeat the process and follow the chain until you get to those who paid for the show.  The actual perps may be well hidden.  But those paying for the show can't guarantee the Bitcoin they received and spent to be untraceable from exchange to them.
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April 22, 2014, 03:03:47 AM

lol, it's been a while!
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April 22, 2014, 03:05:55 AM


As always, media prefer to report sick things done by 0.0000001% of the population, rather than the good done by a ridiculously bigger number. For every article like this one, there should be thousands about the potential contributions of cryptocurrencies to a global economy, about the millions of dollars given to charity by communities related to cryptos, and about how cryptocurrencies are currently teaching so much about economy to all those who take the time to read about them, and making a whole generation rethink what was almost unquestionned about fiat currencies.

How perverted they are.

well said.
sadly i expect more and more of this stuff to show up the bigger the threat of bitcoin grows for existing structures.
populism has always been the best instrument to move the masses.
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April 22, 2014, 03:06:29 AM

Does anyone know where trollboxarchive.com went?  Is it offline?  It is showing a "registered at namecheap" default page.
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April 22, 2014, 03:06:35 AM

we're going down

is that so??
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April 22, 2014, 03:12:04 AM

well said.
sadly i expect more and more of this stuff to show up the bigger the threat of bitcoin grows for existing structures.
populism has always been the best instrument to move the masses.

Thankfully, the decentralised nature of internet and cryptocurrencies offer a great medium of resistance against the existing structures. I'm sure more and more people will get tired of their shit and start to use rationality.
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April 22, 2014, 03:12:23 AM


dump failure!
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April 22, 2014, 03:15:42 AM

If you bought Bitcoin a year ago would you have made a profit or not? How about a year before that? I guess the thing to do is buy as much as you can afford right now and come back next year to tell the story of your great success.

You would have made only a paper profit. You have to SELL to have a real profit.

Are you calling Bitcoin paper?  You want him to sell his BTC for paper U.S. dollars to avoid his profit being paper?


a bitcoin or any other monetary unit is only worth what you can trade for it, whatever a willing buyer and seller agree on. valuations change. Value is determined at the point of exchange.
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April 22, 2014, 03:18:16 AM

is NOT realized until the asset is cashed out.
Bitcoin *IS* cash.
So much of this. Bitcoin is better cash than fiat even.
Come on folks, each one has his Ultimate Object of Desire, and "realizes the gains" when he gets hold of that.

If your goal is dollars, you have "realized" when you converted to dollars.  If your goal is gold, you "realized" whe you exchanged the dollars for gold.  If your goal is marriage, you "realized" when you exchanged the gold for marriage.  Cheesy

The ad said 4 oz gold for my new Hungarian wife


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I think the idea is to buy when the price is going down and to sell when the price is going up..
Actually, the idea is to buy when the price is about to go up and to sell when it is about to go down.  Wink  

(But, admittedly, there are practical difficulties in the implementation of that theoretical principle.   Grin)

YES... the practicality of real world prediction gets in the way.    Cheesy

In this regard, NO one really wants to sell at $500, for example, and then in the next few days the price goes up 50% (to $750) or some other large amount.  Also, NO one really wants to buy at $500 and then the price goes down to $250 in the next few days.. Therefore, a lot of people end up staggering their buys and their sells in order to approximate some kind of systematic skill in their best guesses... some guess better than others and some have more money than others to throw at the situation.

 Financial market prices have momentum, quite like physical objects affected by the natural Laws governing motion, velocity, etc. The momentum is caused by the fact that the market isn't a perfectly balanced equilibrium, where sellers share an exact consensus with buyers about when & at which prices to transact, change trends, etc. If it was so, it would be because there is no greed, no fear, no psychology involved in the market's trades - as soon as asset prices reached the 'agreed-upon' level, there would be a massive sell-off, propelling prices down to agreed-upon lows where everyone would buy back at in freakish harmonious sync.

 But as we all know, that's not how markets work. So thanks to human psychology, price movements exhibit what appears as 'inertia', 'momentum', causing a successful trader to require judicious patience & balance when trying to time when to exit & enter positions - you can't just press SELL the minute it's reached a decent high price. It won't stop there. Chances are it'll keep going back & forth in a small range, as people who get scared (of missing out on locking-in their nice profit then & there) get off the bus, yet are balanced by other, late-comers who suddenly wake up to the scent of "OMFG the price moved so much I wanna get on the bus too WAIT FOR ME". Then, after a variable length of time, it will finally retrace, where you would expect to make your profit (having sold high). When buying, same concept, it'll take some time to 'slow down' after having dropped for a while, as more & more people panic and/or get in on some greedy shortsell positions, in a price-fall-accelerating effect before it can finally run out of bear steam & retrace up.

 What this means is you don't actually, in fact, want to buy when 'it's going down' & sell when 'it's going up'. You can have more trust in the self-evident price discovery mechanism of traded markets than that. Rather, you'd want to buy after it's mostly done going down as can reasonably be expected from market conditions, and sell after it's mostly done going up. One should not need to stagger trade entries & exits THAT much, which I find to be more of a hindrance on important 'clarity' (to be able to make the most clear, effective decisions) of acct / trading management than anything. Ideally one could stagger 1-3 buy entries  & 1-3 sell exits, seperated by relatively large price %'s, given that price movement momentum will cause them to get hit more often than not. In investment management, it is more valuable to spread out your diversification & risk losing on 'price opportunity' & 'focus of investment opportunity' both in terms of the variety of assets invested into, and of the price of entries/exits taken on them, than it is to try to unrealistically maximize one's profit potential by being too greedy/too hasty in the spread of staggered price points which dramatically raises risk.

 It's also essential to make the distinction between market price fundamentals and bitcoin infrastructure/technology fundamentals. All those great news about ever-expanding merchant services & integration don't really affect the exchange price. It's announcements about legal/tax/developments regarding the exchanges themselves that have been near-singlehandedly affecting the exchange prices, as well as news in general from china ; and not all the 'Crypto is the Future of Money' headlines.
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April 22, 2014, 03:24:56 AM


banksters control the media, I expected to see that kind of reporting long ago.. funny thing is there tends to be a disproportionate number of pedophiles in positions of power too.
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banksters control the media, I expected to see that kind of reporting long ago.. funny thing is there tends to be a disproportionate number of pedophiles in positions of power too.


So they are beginning to fear us, that means we're on the right track Wink
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April 22, 2014, 03:46:06 AM


As always, media prefer to report sick things done by 0.0000001% of the population, rather than the good done by a ridiculously bigger number. For every article like this one, there should be thousands about the potential contributions of cryptocurrencies to a global economy, about the millions of dollars given to charity by communities related to cryptos, and about how cryptocurrencies are currently teaching so much about economy to all those who take the time to read about them, and making a whole generation rethink what was almost unquestionned about fiat currencies.

How perverted they are.

well said.
sadly i expect more and more of this stuff to show up the bigger the threat of bitcoin grows for existing structures.
populism has always been the best instrument to move the masses.

the old paradigm will not go down without a fight.

interesting times indeed.

*edit* I should have said "the ancient paradigm"

This shit has been going on for thousands of years.
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April 22, 2014, 03:58:08 AM

well said.
sadly i expect more and more of this stuff to show up the bigger the threat of bitcoin grows for existing structures.
populism has always been the best instrument to move the masses.

Thankfully, the decentralised nature of internet and cryptocurrencies offer a great medium of resistance against the existing structures. I'm sure more and more people will get tired of their shit and start to use rationality.

depends on the scale of education & free speech/thinking in a society and how much the internet will stay decentralised in the coming years.
i haven't seen too much rationality talking to john does about the snowden affair so i don't expect that to change as long as facebook isn't blocked.
it seems there's still a lot of room to make things worse until people start to oppose.
social networks' role during arab spring was definitively an aha experience for the class in charge to make plans for the future.
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April 22, 2014, 04:11:27 AM


This concept loses its meaning in forex.  

Yes and no. If you have ways of using the foreign currency, you do not have to "cash it out" but if you need to turn it back into your local currency, then it is just like cashing it out. Having inherited pounds but living in a dollar world, that is my life. Of course, from time to time if I go on vacation, I get to spend some pounds.
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