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April 24, 2014, 05:28:56 PM

Is Russia/Ukraine/USA situation bullish or bearish for Bitcoin?

bullish, if people have fear for the safety of their money
bullish, if the confict escalates or seems to escalate

=> the situation concerns bitcoin if people escape into bitcoin.


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BTW IMHO:
1h, 2h and 4h MCAD/RSI are going to sync
(in about 12h ?)
=> i predict a temp high to $510

 
 

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April 24, 2014, 05:34:54 PM

http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/14217/20140424/new-reliable-qubit-breakthrough-make-quantum-computing-reality.htm

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v508/n7497/full/nature13171.html

Bitcoin is doomed. Panic sell now!!
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April 24, 2014, 05:41:21 PM


difficulty is gonna rise 10,000X  Cheesy

better load up on the B.SELL derivative
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April 24, 2014, 05:41:28 PM


right! -> the deeper the drop, the earlier we will reach the bottom, the earlier we will rise up again -> to the moooon!
 
 
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April 24, 2014, 05:48:10 PM


actually it would be 2224 times.
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April 24, 2014, 05:49:46 PM

My crystal ball says it's buying time. And dump at 505 before a whale dumps and takes us down again. Which is pretty much guaranteed to happen  Angry
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April 24, 2014, 05:56:53 PM

Yeah, at least a +20 point bump coming RSN, methinks.
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April 24, 2014, 05:58:02 PM

Just, Buy Buy Buy    Grin Grin Grin
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April 24, 2014, 06:00:22 PM


Explanation
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April 24, 2014, 06:00:57 PM

i have a really good feeling that we will be at 493 in the next few minutes
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April 24, 2014, 06:01:36 PM

And here I was thinking you would have finally come to embrace TA.
To be clear: at this point, I belive that the most naive TA (linear or exponential extrapolation) may have some value for very short time periods (a couple of days), in very special circumstances. (That is what I am testing wiith that Slumber stuff.)

Certainly there is some information about the fundamentals encoded in the price, and some of the fundamentals have long-lived trends; so in theory there is some hope that TA could pick up those trends and give more precise and accurate estimates than the log-brownian model.  However, in practice it seems that the useful "signal" is so small compared to the "noise" that the trends detected by TA are mostly derived from the "noise".  Therfore, any perdiction based directly on fundamentals is bound to be infinitely more reliable than one based on price history alone.

Specifically, I do not believe that what the price was or did in 2012 has any bearing on what it will do next month.  Especially when we know that the market and environment have radically changed since then, so there cannot be any significant fundamental factor whose evolution has remained unchanged for these two years.

If the price had been 2000 USD back in 2009, for some reason, and crashed to 0.005 in 2010, why would that reason and that crash have any influence on the the Chinese traders'  behavior tomorrow?

Averaging over long time spans can improve the "signal"/"noise" ratio, but only if there is a "signal" in the fundamental factors that lasts that long.  Even for car manufacturers the fundamental factors -- like steel production, salaries, consumer demand, etc -- can change radically over a couple of years.  What then for bitcoin, whose "fundmental factors" are all virtual, and can go from 0 to 100 and back in a matter or hours?

Even if the past prices had useful information about future prices, what happened in the last two months surely should be much more important than what happened a year ago.  

This is a bit off-topic, but will you stick around when price pulls up again?
I'm not even being sarcastic or anything, I really just genuinely wonder. I mean, I'm pretty bearish right now, but I have very little doubt it'll turn around eventually.
And I'd actually be interested to see what your posts will look like once we're at that point.
You surely did not pay attention, but aftter the end-of-March crash I predicted that the price would reboud to the previous levels (~550 USD) if the Caixin article turned out to be false.  I may even have been the most bullish bull at the time.

But I don't know if I will be around for long, whether the price goes up or down,  Everything gets boring eventually...
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April 24, 2014, 06:02:24 PM

i have a really good feeling that we will be at 493 in the next few minutes

I think, it will be 492.256  Smiley
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April 24, 2014, 06:04:55 PM

i have a really good feeling that we will be at 493 in the next few minutes

493.5 I say!
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April 24, 2014, 06:17:56 PM

Of course it has value Smiley There are some weird things that hold large amount of wealth in the world, like the Church of Scientology and Vatican for instance, are also quite rich. So, I'm not actually denying the chance that bitcoin could actually rake in a good amount of dumb money. That's why I'm asking you to hire me. Let's rake these fools together and we can live like kings!

No thanks, I have enough work in keeping out the people who are clandestine agents, I don't need any who are doing it as openly as you.

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Yeah, that sucks doesn't it. The educated and experienced people are just so stupid, that they invest 5billion to the uncertain situation in Ukraine, but they just can't see the mad profits in buying bitcoin. If only the rest of the world would be as smart as you and others in this forum, what a wonderful world it would be...

Last time I checked, the exponential conversion rate from dumb to smart was +1161% APR. So it does not matter A) in the big picture, B) for any of the existing holders, how long it takes for a random additional person or entity to adopt it. But it matters pretty darn much for C) that person or entity. Which practically guarantees that some will outsmart others also this year. Like a rigged roulette which not only pays 10:1 for red, but also all numbers are red.

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Hey, but maybe they are worrying, that if they buy bitcoin, then some anonymous owner will dump 1mil. of his coins and run away with their invested wealth? Could they actually be this stupid, that they worry about risks like that? Yeah, I think they are stupid enough to actually worry about taking unmanagable risks. They should just stop worrying and buy bitcoins, because of the mad profit$$$ they receive!!!!!!!

I haven't lost a night's sleep with Bitcoin, even though I keep 60-80% of my net worth in it, and the dollar value fluctuates. Even if it goes to zero, I have other stuff and am still debt free. I cannot understand the debt slaves who take mortgages and willingly tie themselves with financial commitments where they cannot affect, but must suffer, the outcome, and lose everything. All VOLUNTARILY! WtH!

These guys need some serious re-education concerning risk management. Nobody has ever went broke buying bitcoins, but 2% of Finnish adult population went bankrupt and lost all (in many cases for life) in 1991-1993 alone, due to debt. Bitcoin has no debt, no wonder you bankers hate it.

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Btw, it's funny to see that you're actually using the information about Ukraine, that is from the Russian information sphere. Aren't Russians more evil then Americans because they banned bitcoin? Americans are saying that talks about 5 billion are a part Russian propaganda. I'm really confused here, please help me.

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Well since you only use the American sources, you must be very confused; who can help you?
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April 24, 2014, 06:19:28 PM


From that paper's abstract:
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A quantum computer can solve hard problems, such as prime factoring

Aha, I always suspected that 17 was not a prime.  Where do I get in line to buy a PQC (personal quantum computer)?
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From that paper's abstract:
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A quantum computer can solve hard problems, such as prime factoring

Aha, I always suspected that 17 was not a prime.  Where do I get in line to buy a PQC (personal quantum computer)?

book yourself a flight on Richard-Branson's spaceship, go really really fast around the world a few 100, 1000 times.
you'll find yourself in the future.
then go to QuantumBits.com

all you need is bitcoin Jorge
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April 24, 2014, 06:36:05 PM

any minute now
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April 24, 2014, 06:46:06 PM

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and am still debt free. I cannot understand the debt slaves who take mortgages and willingly tie themselves with financial commitments where they cannot affect, but must suffer, the outcome, and lose everything. All VOLUNTARILY! WtH!
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I am debt slave who willingly took a mortgage ( max leverage )

in my defence all the other debt slaves were doing it....

and the bank told me it was a very good idea.
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April 24, 2014, 06:56:34 PM

Is Russia/Ukraine/USA situation bullish or bearish for Bitcoin?

Omg you are talking about 3 different things ... and three different situations....

It is not possible IMO to say bullish or bearish.

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