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[JorgeStolfi]

Ireland had 5000 years of anarchy and was renowned through europe for culture and learning during that time. Then the the British brought freedom, democracy, enslavement and starvation. The bastards chopped down all the trees too.

Was it so?  My understanding is that there is no reliable information about the governance of Ireland before the first written records, and by then it was just like any other place on Earth with similar level of development:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland

Ptolemy records sixteen nations inhabiting every part of Ireland in 100 AD.[28] The relationship between the Roman Empire and the kingdoms of ancient Ireland is unclear. [ ... ] Ireland continued as a patchwork of rival kingdoms but, beginning in the 7th century AD, a concept of national kingship gradually became articulated through the concept of a High King of Ireland. Medieval Irish literature portrays an almost unbroken sequence of High Kings stretching back thousands of years but modern historians believe the scheme was constructed in the 8th century to justify the status of powerful political groupings by projecting the origins of their rule into the remote past.

[Marbit]

Do people still do TA on this forum? Been a while since I've seen any.

Or did they all go to Tradingview?

[Marbit]

Fsck!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=677248
http://www.coindesk.com/5000-terminals-across-ukraine-now-offer-bitcoin-cash/

Can I get a moonshot, please?

Holding some bags, not too heavy yet...

[aminorex]

http://markstoval.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/9000-years-of-anarchy-in-ireland/

Iceland might be a somewhat better example, in that there were no claimants to national kingship, although commercial development was not nearly so advanced as in Ireland.  The Althing was basically just a big townhall meeting and festival, and as close as Iceland came to a government for a thousand years (interrupted by a couple of centuries of Danish oppression) until 1944.

[QuestionAuthority]

Fsck!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=677248
http://www.coindesk.com/5000-terminals-across-ukraine-now-offer-bitcoin-cash/

The Russians love Bitcoin now.

[JorgeStolfi]

You keep using that word 'anarchy', but I don't think you know what it means.  Anarchy is not a synonym for chaos...  As Pierre-Joseph Proudhon famously said, "Anarchy is order without power." .  You should read up on it some time.  Really.

No, by anarchy I mean just the absence of a government and its "monopolistic" courts, police, etc.  I know that anarchists dream of an orderly and free society without government; but, based on history and human nature, I don't believe such a society would survive long enough to be remembered.

"Anarchist" is pejorative in most countries, but in Italy Anarchism has a rather positive aura -- intellectually, but not in practice.  That's because the Anarchists were much involved in the political movements that led to the expulsion of foreign colonial governors (from Spain, France, and Austria) and the independence and unification of the country.  They played the role of the American activists who first spoke and conspired against the rule of Britain, I guess.  But, of course, as soon as the country was unified, the Anarchists were thanked and pushed aside, and monarchy was established (with a branch of the French House of Savoy on the throne). 

Mussolini and Hitler also indirectly benefited from anarchists who called on people to refuse to take part in the "political game" of  "sham democracy", and thus helped weaken the governments that they then took over.

[xyzzy099]

You keep using that word 'anarchy', but I don't think you know what it means.  Anarchy is not a synonym for chaos...  As Pierre-Joseph Proudhon famously said, "Anarchy is order without power." .  You should read up on it some time.  Really.

No, by anarchy I mean just the absence of a government and its "monopolistic" courts, police, etc.  I know that anarchists dream of an orderly and free society without government; but, based on history and human nature, I don't believe such a society would survive long enough to be remembered.

"Anarchist" is pejorative in most countries, but in Italy Anarchism has a rather positive aura -- intellectually, but not in practice.  That's because the Anarchists were much involved in the political movements that led to the expulsion of foreign colonial governors (from Spain, France, and Austria) and the independence and unification of the country.  They played the role of the American activists who first spoke and conspired against the rule of Britain, I guess.  But, of course, as soon as the country was unified, the Anarchists were thanked and pushed aside, and monarchy was established (with a branch of the French House of Savoy on the throne).  

Mussolini and Hitler also indirectly benefited from anarchists who called on people to refuse to take part in the "political game" of  "sham democracy", and thus helped weaken the governments that they then took over.

You don't get to redefine terms to fit what you believe.  Proudhon invented the term, so he can define it any damn way he wants - even if that means a social order that he desired, but you don't believe can exist.

Unlike Proudhon, I am neither a socialist, nor an anarchist, so I won't try to make his argument for him - but I am at least well-read enough to know what the term means, and to use it as it was meant to be used.  If you want to discuss 'chaotic lack of order', then you should use that phrase, or maybe make up one of your own - but using the term 'anarchy' is just incorrect.

[EuroTrash]

Did anyone post this one already?

http://redditmetrics.com/r/bitcoin

Trending now! 928 new subscribers today, 578% trend score – Trend thread

Not sure why? Maybe bots are doing this, maybe it's because of Ukrainian bitcoin ATM news, maybe Roger Ver's tweets... Maybe something is about to happen.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[empowering]

Meh -

Things are A changin'
in more ways than one.

olden but golden - (kurzweil)   https://www.ted.com/talks/ray_kurzweil_on_how_technology_will_transform_us#  If you haven't already seen this - I recommend it - not a wasted word.


There is a big future looming ahead.

The old guard is changing.

No stopping it.

Cryptos and decentralisation look like they will play their part.

( " And a lot of people, when they think about the future, think about it linearly. They think they're going to continue to develop a problem or address a problem using today's tools, at today's pace of progress, and fail to take into consideration this exponential growth. " R Kurweil)

[JorgeStolfi]

but I am at least well-read enough to know what the [ anarchist ] means, and to use it as it was meant to be used.  If you want to discuss 'chaotic lack of order', then you should use that phrase, or maybe make up one of your own - but using the term 'anarchy' is just incorrect.

But I just told you that I do not define 'anarchism' as 'chaotic lack of order'.  You are kicking the wrong dog.

[Cassius]

Did anyone post this one already?

http://redditmetrics.com/r/bitcoin

Trending now! 928 new subscribers today, 578% trend score – Trend thread

Not sure why? Maybe bots are doing this, maybe it's because of Ukrainian bitcoin ATM news, maybe Roger Ver's tweets... Maybe something is about to happen.

I'm liking what that correlates to on the timeline...

[Adrian-x]

Did anyone post this one already?

http://redditmetrics.com/r/bitcoin

Trending now! 928 new subscribers today, 578% trend score – Trend thread

Not sure why? Maybe bots are doing this, maybe it's because of Ukrainian bitcoin ATM news, maybe Roger Ver's tweets... Maybe something is about to happen.

something unbelievable always happens, and by some chance some guy just happened to have predicted it. I expect holders haven't been significantly challenged yet so I won't be shocked if we see more capitulation, or some CCMF,

[scarsbergholden]

Hobo looks like it wants to break out in its sleep. 200 in bids up at spread and back up to 1800 down to 3800. Come on, let's pump this thing....

[empowering]

If any of you watched/enjoyed the R Kurweil talk.. here is another one on a similar/ but slightly different bent- but one that I enjoyed
Aubrey de Grey- we can avoid ageing -  http://www.ted.com/talks/aubrey_de_grey_says_we_can_avoid_aging

[greenlion]

That Reagan/AT&T divestiture thing earlier was one of the funniest things I've seen on there.

The Professor sure is some kind of troll superhero.

[wachtwoord]

Did anyone post this one already?

http://redditmetrics.com/r/bitcoin

Trending now! 928 new subscribers today, 578% trend score – Trend thread

Not sure why? Maybe bots are doing this, maybe it's because of Ukrainian bitcoin ATM news, maybe Roger Ver's tweets... Maybe something is about to happen.

something unbelievable always happens, and by some chance some guy just happened to have predicted it. I expect holders haven't been significantly challenged yet so I won't be shocked if we see more capitulation, or some CCMF,

Well you can easily see what the previous peaks like this correlated with

[JorgeStolfi]

By the way, the word 'anarchy  is ancient (Oxford Dictionary: "mid 16th century [ in English ]: via medieval Latin from Greek anarkhia, from anarkhos, from an- 'without' + arkhos 'chief, ruler').  Proudhon may have been the first to use it as the name of an explicit political model.

[wachtwoord]

Things are A changin'

Mothers and fathers across the land. Don't criticize what you can't understand! 

[JorgeStolfi]

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

Upton Sinclair

And it is difficult to get a man to agree on something else, when the value of his investment depends on others not understanding it.