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[deeplink]

No thanks. Your community has failed again and again. I reject coercion and will only interact on a voluntary basis.

Will you voluntarily fuck off when people refuse you the services built on the back of their involvement where you opted out?

No s/he (deeplink) wants the benefits of the infrastructure or clean air, but s/he does NOT want to contribute to such preservation and/or creation.  

Seems like a typical definition of either a freeloader or a leech or an opportunist or a selfish bastard... or to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe s/he has NOT thought that far ahead?

You sound like a politician.

Are you somehow involved with politics? That would explain your religious devotion to government.

[dropt]

No s/he (deeplink) wants the benefits of the infrastructure or clean air, but s/he does NOT want to contribute to such preservation and/or creation. 

Seems like a typical definition of either a freeloader or a leech or an opportunist or a selfish bastard... or to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe s/he has NOT thought that far ahead?

Precisely what I was getting at.  

[Schickeria]

The analogy is perfectly accurate, ...

No, it is not.

You try to compare a hard damage to your body & soul(rape) to a reduction of your financial wealth(tax). Following your analogy aggravated battery is the same as theft (*).

*remaining unanswered if tax is theft and trying to follow your understanding.

[JayJuanGee]

Taxation is NOT rape, and it is NOWHERE near even close to rape... and people are being disingenuous and deceptive when they are attempting to frame reasonable conversation with such inappropriate and diverting analogies.

They are both involuntary impositions of one person's will onto another person.

In the case of rape, the victim submits to unwanted sex either because they are physically incapable of stopping it, or because they've been threatened with even greater harm unless the cooperate.

In the case of tax, the victim pays either because the money has been taken from them before they had the opportunity to resist, or because they are threatened with greater harm unless they comply.


The analogy is perfectly accurate, which is exactly why those humans who use the state to prey upon other humans hate it. Their work is much easier if they can do it in the shadows, and cloak their predations in the illusion of respectability.

We can agree to disagree and I am NOT going to play into simplified framework.  Your framework attempts to trivialize the role of government, and to engage in distracting and unnecessary inflammations by attempting to trivialize the role of government and the necessity of taxes in order to spread out the burden.  Surely, there may be better ways to distribute resources and to construct tax mechanisms and to fix community input, but the burden remains on you if you want to describe how society transforms from its current state to a state without taxes or without government or even minimal taxes and government.

Too simple to merely say, let's get rid of government and taxes b/c they are like rape...

[JayJuanGee]

No thanks. Your community has failed again and again. I reject coercion and will only interact on a voluntary basis.

Will you voluntarily fuck off when people refuse you the services built on the back of their involvement where you opted out?

How does one opt out of coercion?

If it is not coercion, he may well choose to interact on a voluntary basis.

You cannot really opt out b/c government services are nearly everywhere.  So you have to learn how to live amongst other people.. you do NOT have this planet to yourself.  So if you want to call that coercion, then so be it.

[JayJuanGee]

No thanks. Your community has failed again and again. I reject coercion and will only interact on a voluntary basis.

Will you voluntarily fuck off when people refuse you the services built on the back of their involvement where you opted out?

Why would they refuse a paying customer? That would be bad business and would cause them to go broke sooner rather than later.
Unless they can force people to fund their business, whether they use their services or not.

But yes, if a business refuses to interact with me, I would fuck off.

You cannot just pick and choose.. sorry about that, unless you can go live on an island somewhere and minimize your interactions with any community or government.  Good luck.

[hyphymikey]

20 pages about government and taxes... You people need a hobby.

[dKingston]

Buy! price is going to go up! Trust me (I'm using custumized indicators not based on the price mooving)

[JayJuanGee]

Oh, and again - do you really believe Americans are poorer now than they were in the '30s?  I have never seen the American standard of living decline in my lifetime.  When I was a kid, we didn't even have a telephone, or air conditioning (in the deep south!).  Now, even the poorest people I know have cellphones and HDTVs.  Is it different where you live?

You have to be careful there. The amazing advancement of technology has somewhat masked the loss of (inflation adjusted) income. Sure, you have a TV in every room, two cars in the driveway and a supercomputer in your pocket but your housing costs now take up half your income, you're eating processed, not real food, your wife has to work and you have two kids, not five.

NOW you are talking, dude!!!   

I blame the government, of course

I blame the money in politics that have NOT kept the rich people (and industries) in check - especially regarding the denigration of the food supply.   

[adamstgBit]

when these go on special i buy Buy BUY!!!!!!!!!! 

[empowering]

20 pages about government and taxes... You people need a hobby.

I hear Bitcoin is quite interesting

[deeplink]

20 pages about government and taxes... You people need a hobby.

I hear Bitcoin is quite interesting

Did you know governments hate it because they can't figure out how to tax it?

[catena5260]

Another boring day of sidewalks.


When will it ends?

[Richy_T]

Yeah, but it still becomes a public decision about where to draw the line and whether to have any kind of military.  Currently, those decisions do NOT seem to be made be responsible and/or responsive politicians in terms of what the public wants... yet these public feelings evolve when they get scared, too.

So when it comes to the military industrial, the politicians are not behaving according to the wishes of the people that elected them but when it comes to the stuff you seem to like, they are? Right, gotcha.

[Richy_T]

*remaining unanswered if tax is theft.

It is not. It is robbery.

Inflation is theft.

[fonzie]

I knew i would have done something wrong in my life if my government would be among my personal TOP 10 problems.

[Richy_T]

I know i would have done something wrong in my life if my government would be among my personal TOP 10 problems.

The government usually starts to be among your problems when you do something *right* in your life.

[empowering]

20 pages about government and taxes... You people need a hobby.

I hear Bitcoin is quite interesting

Did you know governments hate it because they can't figure out how to tax it?

I had heard... well they will simply take it by force because that is the way it........ no wait...

ermm how about knitting? or woodwork

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[byronbb]

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