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December 01, 2014, 12:19:11 AM

can anyone tell me if there is any point in not ignoring odalv?

because he's trolling the troll maybe ?

Please don´t quote the troll (Fatman3001), thx.

Am I the dumbest troll or am I quoting?

Trick self-referential question.  The correct answer is "both."
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December 01, 2014, 12:22:22 AM

Yo, the price going up or is it going down? IHNFC!!

Neither.

Flatlining.

Flatlining could be good. Besides being better than falling, it would be nice with a small juletime adoption wave.
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December 01, 2014, 12:41:26 AM

Yo, the price going up or is it going down? IHNFC!!

Neither.

Flatlining.
it will go up today.

Monday is the day Wink
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December 01, 2014, 12:46:56 AM

Yo, the price going up or is it going down? IHNFC!!

Neither.

Flatlining.
it will go up today.

Monday is the day Wink

I hope you are right but it looks awfully quiet.
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December 01, 2014, 12:48:41 AM

Very volume.
*Seriously tho, feel that calm before Satan poops in your sandbox?
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December 01, 2014, 12:49:33 AM

Comparing prices among some exchanges

The goal of this exercise was to compare the prices on major exchanges over time, trying to filter out daily variations.

For this goal, I collected from the ste bitcoincharts.com the daily prices at six major exchanges available there:

  MGOX 2010-07-17 -- 2014-02-25 MtGOX    
  BTCE 2011-08-14 -- 2014-11-27 BTC-e    
  BSTP 2011-09-13 -- 2014-11-27 Bitstamp  
  BFNX 2013-03-31 -- 2014-11-27 Bitfinex  
  BTCC 2011-06-13 -- 2014-11-27 BTC-China
  OKCO 2013-06-12 -- 2014-11-27 OKCoin.cn

Specifically, for each exchange, I used the average of the trade prices within each UTC day, weighted by the trade volumes. These prices were smoothed with a 29-day Hahn window, and interpolated over small gaps by weighted linear regression in that window. See the plot below.


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In this plot, for easier comparison, the prices at BTC-China and OKCoin were divided by 6.18, the mean CNY:USD currency rate since April 2014.

Initial inflation

Note that, when each of those exchanges opened, its price was significantly above the others for some time.  A possible explanation is that their initial clients include many enthusiastic but novice traders, who had not yet learned to compare prices among exchanges.  The only exception is BTC-e, which has been somewaht lower than the others, most of the time.

Reference price

To compare the prices of those six exchanges, I had to pick a reference price.  None of those exchanges existed over the complete time interval spanend by the data, from 2010-07-17 to 2014-11-27.  Moreover, every one of them was clearly "deviant" at some time or another.

For example, it is well-known that MtGOX's price was well above market  A visual comparison of the plots show that the discrepancy started around 2013-04-01:  


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It turns out that, between May/2012 and Jan/2013, the prices of MtGOX and Bitstamp are fairly close.   Therefore, I decided to set the (smoothed) reference price as being the (smoothed) MtGOX price before 2012-05-01 and the (smoothed) Bitstamp price after 2013-01-31, with a gradual transition between the two (a weighted mean of the two, with shifted-sine weight).

Relative prices

The following plot shows the ratios of the (smoothed) price at each exchange to the (smoothed) reference price defined as above:


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Note that BTC-e was below the MtGOX/Bitstamp reference most of the time. Also, except at the opening in April 2013, Bitfinex has always been
always almost identical to Bitstamp.

The BTC:CNY prices in BTC-China and OKCoin were quite close, except for a couple of weeks after OKCoin opened on 2013-06-12.  However, both varied significantly relative to the MtGOX/Bitstamp reference.

Specifically, the price in China was significantly higher than normal during the ascending phases of the bubbles that peaked on 2012-06-01,
2012-10-01, 2013-04-09, 2013-11-29.  The Chinese prices sharply dropped in the descending phases of those bubbles, particularly around 2013-06-01 and 2013-12-20. This behavior is consistent with the theory that those bubbles were created by the opening of markets in China, and markets outside China struggled to follow.

On the other hand, the prices at BTC-China were higher than normal also from 2011-07-01 to 2012-01, and around 2013-06-15, when the price was falling. That may indicate that those drops of the price were due to loss of demand (or increased offer) outside China, and BTC-China lagged behind.

Data files

Raw volumes and smoothed prices. The data fields (ignoring the "|" separators) are the UTC date and the start UTC hour of the sampling interval (always "00:00:00" hour), and then, for each of the six exchanges: the day's traded volume in the national currency, the day's traded volume in BTC, and the smoothed mean trade price. Zero values are missing data.

Relative smoothed prices. The data fields are the date and time as above, the smoothed reference price (smooth splice of MtGOX and Bitstamp prices), and then, for each exchange, the ratio of its smoothed mean price to the smoothed reference price.  Zero relative prices indicate missing data.
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Explanation
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December 01, 2014, 01:27:22 AM

How the hell does NotLambChop do it? How is he so good at trolling? The guy is an obvious troll like 98% of the time, everyone says he's a troll, the guy even outright admits it occasionally, and he STILL baits people into responding to him.

Either he is the best troll of all time, or a lot of you are very easy to troll. I'm putting my money on the latter.
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How the hell does NotLambChop do it? How is he so good at trolling? The guy is an obvious troll like 98% of the time, everyone says he's a troll, the guy even outright admits it occasionally, and he STILL baits people into responding to him.

Either he is the best troll of all time, or a lot of you are very easy to troll. I'm putting my money on the latter.

Certainly one of the best trolls I've ever come across. And I was a b/tard once



Some skills are only so transferable Grin
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Explanation
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December 01, 2014, 02:10:45 AM

Why people posting rocket pictures in such sideways market like the current one?

Did you not read my post? Market is sideways, building support and 3D MACD is turning green and the 1W is almost green. This helps to show a trend reversal for the first time in a lonnng time.

People talking about MACD and stuff for some time saying it is sign of recover, but no recover so far.

Also not everyone can understand the TA fundamentalities

Since the non-near-zero (< 1 ) 3D MACD Histo has turned green we have gone from $335 to $378, which is a 12% gain over the past 40 days. It may seem small but that is a great start. If people invested based on the 3D MACD alone, they would have now received a 12% gain in just over a month, something that most investors would love to see over a full year.
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BitcoinFergusonFund... what is that?   Wink

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December 01, 2014, 02:12:25 AM

when do you expect we break the triangle?
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December 01, 2014, 02:12:43 AM

Why people posting rocket pictures in such sideways market like the current one?

Did you not read my post? Market is sideways, building support and 3D MACD is turning green and the 1W is almost green. This helps to show a trend reversal for the first time in a lonnng time.

People talking about MACD and stuff for some time saying it is sign of recover, but no recover so far.

Also not everyone can understand the TA fundamentalities

MacD really stopped "working" for the upwards movements. Its still, however, works pretty good for spotting dumps. (2h indicator is my personal favorite)

You must be looking at the wrong timeframes then. Tell me when a recent positive difference 3D MACD from signal line (non near zero, IE < 1) was actually in any kind of a price decline....
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December 01, 2014, 02:17:36 AM




how much will it cost to buy you out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4XC6dyBWi4
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December 01, 2014, 02:20:14 AM

sorry major noob question here but can someone please answer.

On bitfinex if i want to go long on a margin trade - so I put an offer in to buy at say $300 and currently price is $380 -

My order will appear in the order book straight away -

So will a swap already have occured and will interest start accruing straight away? Or will this more likely happen only once a trade actually happens - so bitfinex will actually be putting a number into their system for money which has not yet been borrowed -

thanks
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December 01, 2014, 02:25:09 AM

sorry major noob question here but can someone please answer.

On bitfinex if i want to go long on a margin trade - so I put an offer in to buy at say $300 and currently price is $380 -

My order will appear in the order book straight away -

So will a swap already have occured and will interest start accruing straight away? Or will this more likely happen only once a trade actually happens - so bitfinex will actually be putting a number into their system for money which has not yet been borrowed -

thanks

You can reserve a swap which will reflect in their stats as such straight away. Or you can just try to do a long without reserving a swap (usually works, but not in periods of high demand). When you do a long where you set your price below market price, I don't believe that the swap occurs at that point. It does, however, show up in the order book.
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December 01, 2014, 02:26:12 AM

Predicting a crash!!! Why?

1. I'm bored; and
2. There is absolutely no justification for it

Ergo, it's pretty obvious a crash is about to occur.
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December 01, 2014, 02:27:08 AM

500 BTC buy wall up at finex again. It's been happening all day.
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