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May 05, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
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Iconomi might come back it's just really hard to tell and the benefits that their first mover advantage gave them seem to be fewer and fewer as the days go on.  It kinda sucks they originally collected $10,000,000 USD and the funds value has grown $50,000,000+ just based on the rise of crypto in general and we as holders don't really benefit at all from it.  When on the other hand you have coins like Taas that have collected $8,000,000 and since the end of their ICO the value of their funding has grown 25% ($2,000,000) and they've already confirmed that profits generated from overall crypto growth count as profit (as it should) and will be paid back to investors as dividends, meaning the first dividend payments already going to be 50% of that $2,000,000 and it's only been 8 days since the end of the ICO.  Meanwhile Iconomi won't provide the burn address or even tell it's investors how much they've invested in their latest ICO's until the end of the quarter, how does that make any sense and how is that transparent?

Personally I'd prefer not to distribute gains from ICO assets growth. By distributing you limit the investment capabilities. More money to invest = more profit for investors.

BTW your numbers are skewed plus TaaS is building portfolio using 75% of ICO funds which leaves them with just $6M to invest if they distribute ICO funds value gains.

Also ICONOMI has several revenue streams ICNX, ICNP, public DAA and yet unadvertised ICNL. In addition to that ICN is going to be a utility token as well.

Do your math now Wink


Actually 15% was used for operations and development not 25%.  If you get 50% of profit, 25% goes back into the fund, and 25% goes to devs that's not a bad deal.  It's been how many months so far and Iconomi still only has 250 beta users and they're aiming for a total of 6,000 before they deem the system usable?  They can claim to have streams of income from X, Y, and Z but if you can't even verify they're burning the coins what value do their claims really have?

Wouldn't it be a bit strange to use $ value of uninvested crypto as your baseline for profit calculations?

Imagine you give me 1000 BTC for a crypto investment fund when BTC is worth $1000

I do nothing, and BTC goes to $2000

I refund you 250 BTC, keep 125 BTC to myself as fee, and 625 BTC remains in the fund.

Are you sure that's how it works?  Do you have a source?

I do understand your point and that's a fair way of looking at it but this it's not going to be like Iconomi in the sense where they pretty much do nothing and then claim "oh look the values 500% since ICO" when that's really just they value of the underlying assets.  Taas is going to be making various trades regularly and the BTC, ETH, etc. value will increase but yes the overall value of the fund is calculated in $.

How is ICNP doing nothing when it has invested in 7(?) things, all of which that have been released have appreciated in value, and in the case of Golem some has been sold and profit has already been realized.

It TaaS also developing an index fund and platform like ICNX and the DAMP that will also generate revenue? Or is that considered doing nothing as well.

Hence why I said "pretty much doing nothing".  You're right they have made some investments and some have paid off.  I consider it nothing compared to the original idea, the idea I was sold on was this was supposed to be the "new economy", things were supposed to be transparent, we were going to be paid dividends from countless revenue streams, we had a timeline, and promises of bi-weekly AMA's; now all of that's out the window and what have we been left with?  

The promise that they're buying back ICN with no burn address provided and given their track record does it really make sense to trust them?  A half-a**ed AMA months later where most of the questions weren't even answered.

Maybe Taas is just one fund and I suppose that is just a subset of one of capabilities Iconomi was supposed to have but Taas is doing it right.  Imagine trades being made and being posted to the blockchain in real time where you or anyone else can verify them, imagine dividends being paid on time quarterly and devs that care about the funds value, imagine constant communication and promises being kept.  You don't get that with Iconomi.

You don't get anything with either yet so let's hold off on the exaggerated claims. TaaS first payout is going to be from what investments and trades they've made exactly?

Looks to me like it will be from them considering the appreciation of the ico funds as "profit", which allows them to take 25% for doing nothing but hold your money. If you had just held it your self you would get 100% of that appreciation.

Actually Taas already provides communication and 4 of the members have already been apart of a previous fund that pays it's investors, so it's a little different then making an ICO and throwing in random keywords like Iconomi did and then scrambling and finding out you can't do this and that afterward.

Taas is going to make money via 1.  Long-term cyclical investment  2.  Cross-exchange arbritrage  3.  Algorthmic swing trading  4.  Derivatives.  The appreciation of the funds as all this happens is just the icing on the cake.

So again TaaS itself hasnt done anything yet. Except they communicated, wow. Amazing. Did they provide quarterly reports, AMAs, blog posts, email updates? Or is that just the standard of communication required of iconomi but not anybody else?

You do realize iconomi already has developed the platform beta, right? A platform which has potential to make TaaS completely obsolete. Or is that also "doing nothing" along with their succesful investments.

Do you know what actually IS doing nothing? Simply holding onto ICO funds and claiming their passive appreciation is profit (thay TaaS can then siphon 25% off of for themselves).

Go take your TaaS support to the TaaS thread where it belongs. It looks like it is desperately needed there.

Actually they did provide monthly operational and trading reports on their previous project.  But you're right all hail Iconomi!!! Smiley

"On their previous project". I could have sworn we were talking about TaaS?

And yeah this is the Iconomi thread not the TaaS one what are you expecting coming here shilling TaaS and badmouthing Iconomi?
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May 05, 2017, 09:34:11 PM
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Iconomi might come back it's just really hard to tell and the benefits that their first mover advantage gave them seem to be fewer and fewer as the days go on.  It kinda sucks they originally collected $10,000,000 USD and the funds value has grown $50,000,000+ just based on the rise of crypto in general and we as holders don't really benefit at all from it.  When on the other hand you have coins like Taas that have collected $8,000,000 and since the end of their ICO the value of their funding has grown 25% ($2,000,000) and they've already confirmed that profits generated from overall crypto growth count as profit (as it should) and will be paid back to investors as dividends, meaning the first dividend payments already going to be 50% of that $2,000,000 and it's only been 8 days since the end of the ICO.  Meanwhile Iconomi won't provide the burn address or even tell it's investors how much they've invested in their latest ICO's until the end of the quarter, how does that make any sense and how is that transparent?

Personally I'd prefer not to distribute gains from ICO assets growth. By distributing you limit the investment capabilities. More money to invest = more profit for investors.

BTW your numbers are skewed plus TaaS is building portfolio using 75% of ICO funds which leaves them with just $6M to invest if they distribute ICO funds value gains.

Also ICONOMI has several revenue streams ICNX, ICNP, public DAA and yet unadvertised ICNL. In addition to that ICN is going to be a utility token as well.

Do your math now Wink


Actually 15% was used for operations and development not 25%.  If you get 50% of profit, 25% goes back into the fund, and 25% goes to devs that's not a bad deal.  It's been how many months so far and Iconomi still only has 250 beta users and they're aiming for a total of 6,000 before they deem the system usable?  They can claim to have streams of income from X, Y, and Z but if you can't even verify they're burning the coins what value do their claims really have?

Wouldn't it be a bit strange to use $ value of uninvested crypto as your baseline for profit calculations?

Imagine you give me 1000 BTC for a crypto investment fund when BTC is worth $1000

I do nothing, and BTC goes to $2000

I refund you 250 BTC, keep 125 BTC to myself as fee, and 625 BTC remains in the fund.

Are you sure that's how it works?  Do you have a source?

I do understand your point and that's a fair way of looking at it but this it's not going to be like Iconomi in the sense where they pretty much do nothing and then claim "oh look the values 500% since ICO" when that's really just they value of the underlying assets.  Taas is going to be making various trades regularly and the BTC, ETH, etc. value will increase but yes the overall value of the fund is calculated in $.

How is ICNP doing nothing when it has invested in 7(?) things, all of which that have been released have appreciated in value, and in the case of Golem some has been sold and profit has already been realized.

It TaaS also developing an index fund and platform like ICNX and the DAMP that will also generate revenue? Or is that considered doing nothing as well.

Hence why I said "pretty much doing nothing".  You're right they have made some investments and some have paid off.  I consider it nothing compared to the original idea, the idea I was sold on was this was supposed to be the "new economy", things were supposed to be transparent, we were going to be paid dividends from countless revenue streams, we had a timeline, and promises of bi-weekly AMA's; now all of that's out the window and what have we been left with?  

The promise that they're buying back ICN with no burn address provided and given their track record does it really make sense to trust them?  A half-a**ed AMA months later where most of the questions weren't even answered.

Maybe Taas is just one fund and I suppose that is just a subset of one of capabilities Iconomi was supposed to have but Taas is doing it right.  Imagine trades being made and being posted to the blockchain in real time where you or anyone else can verify them, imagine dividends being paid on time quarterly and devs that care about the funds value, imagine constant communication and promises being kept.  You don't get that with Iconomi.

You don't get anything with either yet so let's hold off on the exaggerated claims. TaaS first payout is going to be from what investments and trades they've made exactly?

Looks to me like it will be from them considering the appreciation of the ico funds as "profit", which allows them to take 25% for doing nothing but hold your money. If you had just held it your self you would get 100% of that appreciation.

Actually Taas already provides communication and 4 of the members have already been apart of a previous fund that pays it's investors, so it's a little different then making an ICO and throwing in random keywords like Iconomi did and then scrambling and finding out you can't do this and that afterward.

Taas is going to make money via 1.  Long-term cyclical investment  2.  Cross-exchange arbritrage  3.  Algorthmic swing trading  4.  Derivatives.  The appreciation of the funds as all this happens is just the icing on the cake.

So again TaaS itself hasnt done anything yet. Except they communicated, wow. Amazing. Did they provide quarterly reports, AMAs, blog posts, email updates? Or is that just the standard of communication required of iconomi but not anybody else?

You do realize iconomi already has developed the platform beta, right? A platform which has potential to make TaaS completely obsolete. Or is that also "doing nothing" along with their succesful investments.

Do you know what actually IS doing nothing? Simply holding onto ICO funds and claiming their passive appreciation is profit (thay TaaS can then siphon 25% off of for themselves).

Go take your TaaS support to the TaaS thread where it belongs. It looks like it is desperately needed there.

Actually they did provide monthly operational and trading reports on their previous project.  But you're right all hail Iconomi!!! Smiley

"On their previous project". I could have sworn we were talking about TaaS?

And yeah this is the Iconomi thread not the TaaS one what are you expecting coming here shilling TaaS and badmouthing Iconomi?

Iconomi does have community going for it.  When you have the likes of Mal Reynolds, Daparksi, and Move_Crypto actively supporting it it really does seem filled with potential.  That's what attracted me to the project in the first place.
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May 05, 2017, 10:08:53 PM
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With additional beta testers being added daily, the number of ICONOMI platform users and assets in ICNX remains to rise. There are 270 ICONOMI platform beta testers at the moment, with $590,556.26 of assets within ICNX.

don´t foget that!
Iconomi anonce in Slack that they wil have an affiliat programm
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May 05, 2017, 10:31:43 PM
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They intend to add 6k beta testers and they only have 270 now.If they invite at these rates,I reckon it would take a decade for me to get access.
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May 05, 2017, 10:36:10 PM
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They intend to add 6k beta testers and they only have 270 now.If they invite at these rates,I reckon it would take a decade for me to get access.

As they scale up, they should be able to add more each time (in theory)

For example, if they doubled every month or so, it wouldn't take very long to get through 6000.
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May 05, 2017, 11:51:08 PM
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They intend to add 6k beta testers and they only have 270 now.If they invite at these rates,I reckon it would take a decade for me to get access.

As they scale up, they should be able to add more each time (in theory)

For example, if they doubled every month or so, it wouldn't take very long to get through 6000.



You seem to have changed your tone on ICONOMI, Mendeleev. What happened?

Woof woof!!
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May 06, 2017, 12:07:09 AM
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They intend to add 6k beta testers and they only have 270 now.If they invite at these rates,I reckon it would take a decade for me to get access.

As they scale up, they should be able to add more each time (in theory)

For example, if they doubled every month or so, it wouldn't take very long to get through 6000.

You seem to have changed your tone on ICONOMI, Mendeleev. What happened?

I'm the same as before. My concerns remain. They don't stop me from being able to engage in other topics of discussion in a more positive way.

Stop trying to put me into a little box, Spendawgs!  Angry
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They intend to add 6k beta testers and they only have 270 now.If they invite at these rates,I reckon it would take a decade for me to get access.

As they scale up, they should be able to add more each time (in theory)

For example, if they doubled every month or so, it wouldn't take very long to get through 6000.

You seem to have changed your tone on ICONOMI, Mendeleev. What happened?

I'm the same as before. My concerns remain. They don't stop me from being able to engage in other topics of discussion in a more positive way.

Stop trying to put me into a little box, Spendawgs!  Angry


Yeah good point. I actually quite enjoy your posts to be honest.

Woof woof!!
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May 06, 2017, 01:25:24 AM
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Yeah good point. I actually quite enjoy your posts to be honest.

Aww.

I think everybody does. Everybody loves me really.

Here boy! This is for you! Who's a good boy? You are!  Grin


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Yeah good point. I actually quite enjoy your posts to be honest.

Aww.

I think everybody does. Everybody loves me really.

Here boy! This is for you! Who's a good boy? You are!  Grin





Lol good one. Why buy litecoin?

Woof woof!!
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May 06, 2017, 02:38:41 AM
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Lol good one. Why buy litecoin?

Controversial subject, and would go too far off topic for this thread if I talk about it too much.

Look into Litecoin's recent developments re: Segwit, Lightning Network, confidential transactions, and recent addition to Coinbase.

Read the posts on their reddit, and watch some recent youtube videos on it.

I'm not recommending buying it right now. But you can, if you think it's worth it.

I did say to buy back in January, but it was kind of jokingly. I currently hold some, which I bought at $15 using profits from other coins. It's above $26 at the time of writing this, so can't complain  Grin (yet)
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May 06, 2017, 03:32:49 AM
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They intend to add 6k beta testers and they only have 270 now.If they invite at these rates,I reckon it would take a decade for me to get access.

Based on the numbers Jani provided in the AMA 6k beta users is not probable.

"6k users is the number of active accounts we had during the ICO + those that applied for Beta access(180)"

- Not all ICO participants are active
- Not all would beta test anyway
- Not all would be allowed to test in regard to actual transactions
- Overlap in beta access to ICO participants
- Multiple ICO accounts per user

The list can go on but the point is, if they don't plan to take on more beta access requests then its likely they will never get to 6k and will launch before that or enter something called public beta.

The best place to research, discuss and launch Iconomi Funds ICONOMIFUNDS.COM

For unmoderated / uncensored Iconomi discussion: Unmoderated ICN Thread
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May 06, 2017, 07:19:56 AM
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So what is estimated time of public launch of the platform?
They dodged all the questions in AMA... damn the dev team is wierd, I don't know what they are thinking.

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May 06, 2017, 08:01:47 AM
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So what is estimated time of public launch of the platform?
They dodged all the questions in AMA... damn the dev team is wierd, I don't know what they are thinking.


Simce the dev team didnt give an estimate, my personal estimate is 3 months. This is a GREAT time to buy up cheap ICN. however it could get a bit lower in the coming weeks but not much.

Woof woof!!
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May 06, 2017, 09:04:39 AM
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So what is estimated time of public launch of the platform?
They dodged all the questions in AMA... damn the dev team is wierd, I don't know what they are thinking.

During the AMA Jani said there will be a new roadmap. My guess is then we will know when the launch is coming.
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May 06, 2017, 09:34:02 AM
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They intend to add 6k beta testers and they only have 270 now.If they invite at these rates,I reckon it would take a decade for me to get access.

Based on the numbers Jani provided in the AMA 6k beta users is not probable.

"6k users is the number of active accounts we had during the ICO + those that applied for Beta access(180)"

- Not all ICO participants are active
- Not all would beta test anyway
- Not all would be allowed to test in regard to actual transactions
- Overlap in beta access to ICO participants
- Multiple ICO accounts per user

The list can go on but the point is, if they don't plan to take on more beta access requests then its likely they will never get to 6k and will launch before that or enter something called public beta.

I think the team knows about that and might have priced that in

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May 06, 2017, 10:47:59 AM
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Every time ICN goes down I feel happy that now a chance for a strong hand people like me to buy more.
I believe if we the strong believers in ICN buy all tokens,there would be no dumping in future because we do not panic sell.
But seems ICN is being manipulated by traders as soon as they bring down price, they buy and sell again at high price.
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Has the team had any problems with the platform it should solve? Ok, but .... because you made me stay here losing money until it this resolved? Do you know what my complaint is? Who don't have the necessary responsibility to say the exact day they're going to take the platform. Show a serious and responsible roadmap.

Want investors not to be pissed off? Say the fucking day you're going to have the product ready!
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Has the team had any problems with the platform it should solve? Ok, but .... because you made me stay here losing money until it this resolved? Do you know what my complaint is? Who don't have the necessary responsibility to say the exact day they're going to take the platform. Show a serious and responsible roadmap.

Want investors not to be pissed off? Say the fucking day you're going to have the product ready!

You are either a trader/flipper or an investor.
If you a trader you had your chance to cash out for x2 ethereum and even more for bitcoin. If you didn't, it makes you a bad trader.
If you are an investor you shouldn't look at the price before the product is out. Focus on the fundamentals and follow the team - if you think something is wrong - sell.

Everything else is immatureness or trolling
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Has the team had any problems with the platform it should solve? Ok, but .... because you made me stay here losing money until it this resolved? Do you know what my complaint is? Who don't have the necessary responsibility to say the exact day they're going to take the platform. Show a serious and responsible roadmap.

Want investors not to be pissed off? Say the fucking day you're going to have the product ready!

You are either a trader/flipper or an investor.
If you a trader you had your chance to cash out for x2 ethereum and even more for bitcoin. If you didn't, it makes you a bad trader.
If you are an investor you shouldn't look at the price before the product is out. Focus on the fundamentals and follow the team - if you think something is wrong - sell.

Everything else is immatureness or trolling


You skippedover his point  and got your fud out.


No, I didn't
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because you made me stay here losing money until it this resolved
is exactly that - traders could sell for profit, investors wait for the product. Does apple announce exact date of new products when they start to develop them, or short time before the release?
When they announce iPhone7 development do you jump over and ask for exact date of release?

And who made him stay here? Did the team locked his tokens?
Please explain his point if you can
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