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July 23, 2013, 09:13:02 PM |
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I really hate to bring this up, but I don't really have a choice.
When it was originally stated that bitcoins would be used, it was not specified that payment would be taken through BitPay. While I don't have anything against them as a service, their rates are not reflective of the current exchange rate.
As of the last time I checked, BitPay asks payment in BTC at a rate of 66.783 Euro/1BTC, versus the current price of 73 Euro/1BTC. 73/66.783 = 1.093. I feel that it is unfair to ask bitcoin customers to pay a 9.3% premium for paying in bitcoin, especially when it was not stated beforehand. Had I known this to be the case, I would have used PayPal.
2090Euro / 66.783 (bitpay) = 31.295389545 2090Euro / 73 (mtgox) = 28.630136986 Difference is 2.665252559 BTC × 73 = 194.563436807 Euro
I'm not trying to be difficult, but this would put me in a difficult position. Maybe others have a helpful insight to provide. I know that this was not intentionally done, and that BitPay offers burnin a convenient conversion to fiat. I hope that there is someway to resolve this where everyone is happy. Am I completely off-base here?
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baloo_kiev
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July 23, 2013, 09:14:00 PM |
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How do I delete my (unpaid) order? How many confirmations does Bitpay transaction need for my order to become 'processing'?
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FlappySocks
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July 23, 2013, 09:17:59 PM |
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I am putting in my VAT number, and it doesn't take the VAT off ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) For me it has substracted the VAT - you need to look a bit lower on the order total. Nope. Not removing the VAT. Tried it with and without "GB" as the country prefix. I continued to Paypal, and it still has not removed the VAT ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif)
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krasnolud
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July 23, 2013, 09:19:51 PM |
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I am putting in my VAT number, and it doesn't take the VAT off ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) For me it has substracted the VAT - you need to look a bit lower on the order total. Nope. Not removing the VAT. Tried it with and without "GB" as the country prefix. I continued to Paypal, and it still has not removed the VAT ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) I remember that it didn't refresh when I did copy & paste, but after I entered the number manually it did refresh. Are you entering GB and digits only, without any additional characters (spaces etc.)?
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lenny_
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July 23, 2013, 09:21:29 PM |
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FAQ states: I’m from a country outside the EU, do I have to pay VAT? No, only customers inside the EU have to pay VAT.
Are you granting VAT exemptions? Yes for non EU Customers, and if you’re running a business within the EU and have a valid VAT identification number then you don’t have to pay VAT. Please enter your VAT identification number at the checkout page. Same here. It doesn't work when I am putting my EU VAT ID, still asking to pay VAT.
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burnin (OP)
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July 23, 2013, 09:22:49 PM |
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FAQ states: I’m from a country outside the EU, do I have to pay VAT? No, only customers inside the EU have to pay VAT.
Are you granting VAT exemptions? Yes for non EU Customers, and if you’re running a business within the EU and have a valid VAT identification number then you don’t have to pay VAT. Please enter your VAT identification number at the checkout page. Same here. It doesn't work when I am putting my EU VAT ID, still asking to pay VAT. The site actually checks the VAT, maybe the verification server thinks its being ddos'd and blocked my site.
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FlappySocks
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July 23, 2013, 09:23:56 PM |
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The page refreshes when I key in the number, but the VAT remains.
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lenny_
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July 23, 2013, 09:25:19 PM |
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EDIT: I pasted my VAT ID into field. When I choose country Poland to ship to, it excludes VAT from final price. When I choose United Kingdom, VAT is included! UK is not in EU? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (I have business in Poland, but need to ship to UK...)
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krasnolud
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July 23, 2013, 09:26:54 PM |
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EDIT: I pasted my VAT ID into field. When I choose country Poland to ship to, it excludes VAT from final price. When I choose United Kingdom, VAT is included! UK is not in Europe? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It is not! It's an island! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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burnin (OP)
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July 23, 2013, 09:31:59 PM |
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EDIT: I pasted my VAT ID into field. When I choose country Poland to ship to, it excludes VAT from final price. When I choose United Kingdom, VAT is included! UK is not in Europe? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It is not! It's an island! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Sigh, another bug i suspect...
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HeRetiK
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July 23, 2013, 09:34:07 PM |
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EDIT: I pasted my VAT ID into field. When I choose country Poland to ship to, it excludes VAT from final price. When I choose United Kingdom, VAT is included! UK is not in Europe? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It is not! It's an island! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Sigh, another bug i suspect... Same for me, Austria reporting in!
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maxmint
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July 23, 2013, 09:36:17 PM |
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EDIT: I pasted my VAT ID into field. When I choose country Poland to ship to, it excludes VAT from final price. When I choose United Kingdom, VAT is included! UK is not in Europe? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It is not! It's an island! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Sigh, another bug i suspect... Same for me, Austria reporting in! Austria should be working, did you follow this format? ATU12345678
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lenny_
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July 23, 2013, 09:36:29 PM |
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EDIT: I pasted my VAT ID into field. When I choose country Poland to ship to, it excludes VAT from final price. When I choose United Kingdom, VAT is included! UK is not in Europe? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It is not! It's an island! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Sigh, another bug i suspect... I didn't realized it on beginning and already paid for my order inc. VAT. I contacted you via Contact webpage. Hopefully problem can be resolved.
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tarmi
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July 23, 2013, 09:38:18 PM |
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EDIT: I pasted my VAT ID into field. When I choose country Poland to ship to, it excludes VAT from final price. When I choose United Kingdom, VAT is included! UK is not in Europe? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It is not! It's an island! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Sigh, another bug i suspect... ok, burnin, I paid in full for my first order of 23 boards, VAT included. My order is still processing. I am not from EU, but I want my order to be shipped to my friend's address in Germany. Once the boards are finished, I will pick them up. how will I get the refund? will you send me the necessary papers for that, or what? I am planning to make more orders, can you give me some burnin credits or something? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) we are talking about 500 euros.
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SebastianJu
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July 23, 2013, 09:39:09 PM |
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I really hate to bring this up, but I don't really have a choice.
When it was originally stated that bitcoins would be used, it was not specified that payment would be taken through BitPay. While I don't have anything against them as a service, their rates are not reflective of the current exchange rate.
As of the last time I checked, BitPay asks payment in BTC at a rate of 66.783 Euro/1BTC, versus the current price of 73 Euro/1BTC. 73/66.783 = 1.093. I feel that it is unfair to ask bitcoin customers to pay a 9.3% premium for paying in bitcoin, especially when it was not stated beforehand. Had I known this to be the case, I would have used PayPal.
2090Euro / 66.783 (bitpay) = 31.295389545 2090Euro / 73 (mtgox) = 28.630136986 Difference is 2.665252559 BTC × 73 = 194.563436807 Euro
I'm not trying to be difficult, but this would put me in a difficult position. Maybe others have a helpful insight to provide. I know that this was not intentionally done, and that BitPay offers burnin a convenient conversion to fiat. I hope that there is someway to resolve this where everyone is happy. Am I completely off-base here?
MTGox is always ahead of all others in price. Most other exchanges dont see it this way: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/currency/USD.html
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Thracian
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July 23, 2013, 09:39:55 PM |
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Same here for Greece.
Tried both formats EL123456789 and 123456789 (actual number differs). Still charging VAT.
My VAT is registered with VIES.
Now what?
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maxmint
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July 23, 2013, 09:43:25 PM |
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All of those having their VAT number not accepted, the website is using this API to check your VAT: http://isvat.appspot.com/Especially take a look at the section "ISO 3166 EU Country Codes".
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lenny_
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July 23, 2013, 09:47:13 PM |
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Dunkelheit667
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July 23, 2013, 09:47:37 PM |
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... As of the last time I checked, BitPay asks payment in BTC at a rate of 66.783 Euro/1BTC, versus the current price of 73 Euro/1BTC. 73/66.783 = 1.093. I feel that it is unfair to ask bitcoin customers to pay a 9.3% premium for paying in bitcoin, especially when it was not stated beforehand. Had I known this to be the case, I would have used PayPal. ...
Rebuy the BTCs on Bitstamp for 66.74 € atm. Sell them on Mt. Gox for 72.10 € wait some months for your withdrawal. ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) Just want to say the Mt.Gox is not real atm, BitPay's rate seems to be legit.
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HeRetiK
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July 23, 2013, 09:48:04 PM |
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Same for me, Austria reporting in!
Austria should be working, did you follow this format? ATU12345678 Yes, also tried it with a different browser to no avail. (Chrome & Firefox) Checked the API mentioned above ^ It recognized my UID as true (in the format: isvat.appspot.com/AT/U12345678 )
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