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May 27, 2017, 12:40:55 AM
Last edit: May 27, 2017, 12:55:08 AM by philipma1957
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Hey guys. Firstly thank you for your input, all these posts helped me a lot.

Im building a 1080ti rig (i want 6x).
I bought an EVGA 1600W P2 PSU. It has 9x vga power slots so i thought it will be allright but it turned out it has only 8pin->6 + (6+2) pin VGA cables. My Aorus 1080ti's have 2x8 pin slots so i dont have correct cable. In such case they advise just to use separate power cables from PSU to power each 8pin port, but this way i will be limited to 4 cards ( 2cablesx4cards=8 , and i have just 9 vga slots).

What are my options ? Return at least some Aoruses and replace them with Founders edition? (it has 6+8 pin port like my vga cable)? Buy some third party cables? Maybe use some sort of adapter?




there are options give me some time to get links

you will be using 6 risers correct?

which risers?

you get 9 pcie cables

4 of them  are 8 pin   so that runs 1 card  and leaves you 2 empty 8 pin cables



5 of them are 8 + 6   so that runs 5 cards   huh? how? wtf?

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-2-Pack-6-Pin-Adapter/dp/B01DV1Z32Y/ref=sr_1_2?

so you now have all 8 pin jacks in the 6 gpus done

with 2 eight pin pcie cables  buy 2 of these

https://www.amazon.com/11-inch-PCI-Express-Female-Splitter-Sleeves/dp/B01LVZBJML/ref=sr_1_1?

and you have fully powered 6 cards and 4 risers.

leaving you with 2 riser that will use separate sata to pcie for power.

you must have risers that use pcie jack to do this.

And this is why my rigs are 3 or 4 cards not six.


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May 27, 2017, 12:54:00 AM
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Hey.
Yes i bought these
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B01MG8XQDX/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1495846337&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=pci+riser&dpPl=1&dpID=51M-U-7HepL&ref=plSrch
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May 27, 2017, 12:58:15 AM
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no good  you must use the pcie ones

i will find a link


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kyerivs-PCI-E-Powered-Adapter-Extension/dp/B06ZYCRX7B/ref=sr_1_1?

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What is the difference? They're both pci express adapters powered by molex to sata cable? Forgive me if i cant see something obvious. Atm running 2xti through these risers powered from molex cables from psu fwiw.

As for the psu and gpus, thanks a lot! I was afraid i cant simply use these 6 to 8 pin adapters because i have read they might not be able to suppoy enough power.

Edit: sorry i see now. These risers have pcie power slot. Are they a must?
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DGB on yobit: -16%
AUR on yobit: +2.6%

Its down a tad;  plus another 20Gh just jumped on since last I checked yesterday....

There are some slumps;  but the good days are totally more than the bad...  You just see it faster because of the faster block times on this algo.

FYI: ZEC is -11.9%; so it seems all the whales are dumping alts to invest in BTC for the slump.... (guess)

Just saw it jump 50Gh from when u posted this - guess folks got their UPS deliveries today lol

*** lol 11 min ago when I posted the 50Gh bounce it was 130 I think ... now it's at 180 and rising - looks like fluxing pretty hard now back down to 100Gh hah
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There is a sale at Newegg and one of my group member got hold of the following...

Given the circumstances of 1080ti going off the shelves like bats out of a cave, any decent 1080ti will do -- above reference specs at minimum for reasonable price ~ sub 800$ -- I suspect that given this model's huge size, medium clocks (vs Extreme version like Auros etc), Newegg will be keen to move these out so that they can stock better and smaller OC gaming versions..

Well a 1080ti is basically the same apart from various gaming OC solution by vendors that will make them go at higher clocks.

At this price, I don't mind medium performance 1080ti, set 4 of them up and hang them like smoked salmon powered by 1200w PSU will be worthy mining beast.

MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Ti DirectX 12 GTX 1080 Ti DUKE 11G OC 11GB 352-Bit GDDR5X PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card -- https://www.newegg.com/global/sg/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137142




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May 27, 2017, 02:35:18 AM
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What is the difference? They're both pci express adapters powered by molex to sata cable? Forgive me if i cant see something obvious. Atm running 2xti through these risers powered from molex cables from psu fwiw.

As for the psu and gpus, thanks a lot! I was afraid i cant simply use these 6 to 8 pin adapters because i have read they might not be able to suppoy enough power.

Edit: sorry i see now. These risers have pcie power slot. Are they a must?

what do you plan to do with the gpus  run them at 100% tdp?

if you do it is not safe.  and you really should not run a six card build.

run a 4 card.


you do under stand that a 1080 ti  will pull 250 watts at 100%  and 175 watts at 70 %


6 x 250 = 1500 plus 100 for the entire rig = 1600  watts which will fail

6 x 175 = 1050  plus 100 for the entire rig = 1150  watts 0 worries.    my idea is good.

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What is the difference? They're both pci express adapters powered by molex to sata cable? Forgive me if i cant see something obvious. Atm running 2xti through these risers powered from molex cables from psu fwiw.

As for the psu and gpus, thanks a lot! I was afraid i cant simply use these 6 to 8 pin adapters because i have read they might not be able to suppoy enough power.

Edit: sorry i see now. These risers have pcie power slot. Are they a must?

what do you plan to do with the gpus  run them at 100% tdp?

if you do it is not safe.  and you really should not run a six card build.

run a 4 card.


you do under stand that a 1080 ti  will pull 250 watts at 100%  and 175 watts at 70 %


6 x 250 = 1500 plus 100 for the entire rig = 1600  watts which will fail

6 x 175 = 1050  plus 100 for the entire rig = 1150  watts 0 worries.    my idea is good.

Powered risers are a must so that any extra juice required by GPU will come from PSU and not the motherboard. You can see many horror stories online when power overdraw happens esp older cards that has high tdp.... fried motherboards, damaged slots and GPUs are the results... or worse case fire etc

Back in the Litecoin days circa 2014... you have mobos like Asrock H81 Pro BTC that needs a powered molex to the motherboard -- because back in those days .... risers were flimsy ribbon type and some of them don't have power or unreliable hazardous power connectors. If you use H81s today, you dont need to use that onboard molex power as long as your risers are powered by PSU.

The best risers that I have so far are those provide by yslsyung, v6 risers with PCIE power connectors and beefy shielded USB3 cables. I previously used v3 risers with 4-pin molex to SATA power connectors -- although still ok to use, I prefer the PCIE powered ones for best performance and standardize it with PICO and server PSU solution.

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May 27, 2017, 03:20:23 AM
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No, I dont want to run them at 100% Phil.  Btw i did small benchmark on my 1080ti Aorus on digibyte-skein :

https://gyazo.com/c568b5b6aae68b51bf4b5c3ae780e0f6

X axis is power limit
At 70% power limit we're losing only 9% hashrate

I will buy risers with PCIe power connectors.
Thanks a lot guys!

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No, I dont want to run them at 100% Phil.  Btw i did small benchmark on my 1080ti Aorus on digibyte-skein :

https://gyazo.com/c568b5b6aae68b51bf4b5c3ae780e0f6

X axis is power limit
At 70% power limit we're losing only 9% hashrate

I will buy risers with PCIe power connectors.
Thanks a lot guys!



954 @ 70%? what are your clock and mem settings at?

also what pool and program r u using, gui looks pretty cool!
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meanwhile....there is Claymore monitoring app with sms alert

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1932864.msg19192507#msg19192507

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Hey guys. Firstly thank you for your input, all these posts helped me a lot.

Im building a 1080ti rig (i want 6x).
I bought an EVGA 1600W P2 PSU. It has 9x vga power slots so i thought it will be allright but it turned out it has only 8pin->6 + (6+2) pin VGA cables. My Aorus 1080ti's have 2x8 pin slots so i dont have correct cable. In such case they advise just to use separate power cables from PSU to power each 8pin port, but this way i will be limited to 4 cards ( 2cablesx4cards=8 , and i have just 9 vga slots).

What are my options ? Return at least some Aoruses and replace them with Founders edition? (it has 6+8 pin port like my vga cable)? Buy some third party cables? Maybe use some sort of adapter?


 EVGA sells "cable kits" for their power supplies - fairly cheap and same or better quality as the cables they ship with the PS, and not REAL expensive.

  TDP of the Aorus appears to be around 280 watts, per what I can find in reviews of it on the net, which would be about 225 out of the PCI-E connectors. Using a "Y" cable with 2 8-pin connectors on it should be OK, EVGA cables tend to have very few issues even loaded down with ASIC machines pushing the cables to 300+ watts per cable (and those are usually due to someone trying to push 300+ watts through a 6-pin connector, which is out of spec for the connector itself much less PCI-E specs or the cable limits).

 250 watts would be a 1080 Ti Founders Edition or some of the aftermarket not-highly-overclocked varients - a LOT of the Gigabyte GTX 10xx series cards are "factory overclocked" quite high with a 10% or so higher TDP limit, and the AORUS series seems to ALL be that way.

 I would NOT make the "go ahead and use the Y cables" recommendation with *some* brands of power supply, however, or some REALLY HIGH TDP GPU cards.


 One thing to watch closely though - 6 x Aorus at 100% ARE probably an overload for the power supply as a whole if you're pushing them hard, like most cryptocoins do. You MIGHT want to think seriously about runnning 5 of them, or going with 1 or 2 lower-level cards. Some of the reviews I saw were showing 290ish watt usage on GAMING loads at peak - mining some cryptocoins put MORE load and use MORE power on AVERAGE than most peak gaming loads can manage.

 Make sure you check actual power consumption at the 4 and 5 card levels before you add the 6'th card.


 There are places that sell adapters to go from a pair of 6-pin PCI-E to a single 8-pin - but those shouldn't be needed in your case.




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Hey guys. Firstly thank you for your input, all these posts helped me a lot.

Im building a 1080ti rig (i want 6x).
I bought an EVGA 1600W P2 PSU. It has 9x vga power slots so i thought it will be allright but it turned out it has only 8pin->6 + (6+2) pin VGA cables. My Aorus 1080ti's have 2x8 pin slots so i dont have correct cable. In such case they advise just to use separate power cables from PSU to power each 8pin port, but this way i will be limited to 4 cards ( 2cablesx4cards=8 , and i have just 9 vga slots).

What are my options ? Return at least some Aoruses and replace them with Founders edition? (it has 6+8 pin port like my vga cable)? Buy some third party cables? Maybe use some sort of adapter?


 EVGA sells "cable kits" for their power supplies - fairly cheap and same or better quality as the cables they ship with the PS, and not REAL expensive.

  TDP of the Aorus appears to be around 280 watts, per what I can find in reviews of it on the net, which would be about 225 out of the PCI-E connectors. Using a "Y" cable with 2 8-pin connectors on it should be OK, EVGA cables tend to have very few issues even loaded down with ASIC machines pushing the cables to 300+ watts per cable (and those are usually due to someone trying to push 300+ watts through a 6-pin connector, which is out of spec for the connector itself much less PCI-E specs or the cable limits).

 250 watts would be a 1080 Ti Founders Edition or some of the aftermarket not-highly-overclocked varients - a LOT of the Gigabyte GTX 10xx series cards are "factory overclocked" quite high with a 10% or so higher TDP limit, and the AORUS series seems to ALL be that way.

 I would NOT make the "go ahead and use the Y cables" recommendation with *some* brands of power supply, however, or some REALLY HIGH TDP GPU cards.


 There are places that sell adapters to go from a pair of 6-pin PCI-E to a single 8-pin - but those shouldn't be needed in your case.


Another solution is to use 2 x PSUs, I have 2 x G2-EVGA-1300w running 7x RX470s on the Gaming M5 motherboard (7 x slots).

Although I dont have the 8pinx2 requirement for RX470s but this 2 x PSU solution will solve your problem.

For your case, maybe get a "small" PSU - maybe a 1000w EVGA-G2, put all mobo, cpu and 2 x GPUs on that.... and 4 x GPUs on the 1600w PSU.

You need the Add-on PSU adapter though to get the 2 PSUs working as 1 single big ass PSU.

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2 PSU would be a viable option - a pair of the EVGA G2 1000 has a total of 12 x 6+2 and 4 x 6 pin, would have to use a couple of 2xmolex-to-PCI-E 6-pin adapters for 2 of the risers I think, or dig up 2 spare "y" cables (the supply itself has 6 connectors for VGA power, but apparently has 4 single PCI-E 6+2 and 2 "Y" 6+2 and 6 cables).

 EVGA G2 series all use the same cables, you CAN mix-and-match among them.





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No, I dont want to run them at 100% Phil.  Btw i did small benchmark on my 1080ti Aorus on digibyte-skein :

https://gyazo.com/c568b5b6aae68b51bf4b5c3ae780e0f6

X axis is power limit
At 70% power limit we're losing only 9% hashrate

I will buy risers with PCIe power connectors.
Thanks a lot guys!



954 @ 70%? what are your clock and mem settings at?

also what pool and program r u using, gui looks pretty cool!
settings from msi afterburner :
Core +175 (1860MHz @ 70% power limit), memory all the way down (4500MHz).  
I use nemos miner on MPH.

graph's are from microsoft excel

As for the cards, so far I have 2x 1080ti Aorus. 2 more Aoruses coming today (and new motherboard, cpu) , and 2 1080ti Asus Founders edition coming tomorrow. I will setup 4x1080ti today using 6->8 pin adapter and see how it works. You might be correct that 6x1080ti can be a little too much for 1600W PSU. I will slowly add cards and monitor power consumption.   
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May 27, 2017, 11:47:01 AM
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  he should build 2 rigs  and never have purchased the 1600 watts psu.


2 of these

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rosewill-Quark-Series-850W-80-PLUS-Platinum-Full-Modular-Power-Supply/172183274675?

2 of these
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2V0AHI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?

2 of these

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4400T-Dual-Core-2-90Ghz-H2-CPU-/272645034798?

2 of these

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-120GB-SDSSDA-120G-G26-Newest-Version/dp/B01F9G414U/ref=sr_1_6?

2 of these

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC4-17000-Unbuffered-288-Pin-CT4G4DFS8213/dp/B00MMLUYPQ/ref=sr_1_1?

2 of these
https://www.amazon.com/Fixable-Powered-Express-Adapter-Version/dp/B071XPXLBP/ref=sr_1_5?


is how I would build

but he wants a six card build  you know :

bigger harder stronger faster

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Question for ya Phil. If heat and space were not issues, what rigs would you run?
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Question for ya Phil. If heat and space were not issues, what rigs would you run?

endless 1080 ti's  2 on a board

2 of these mobo's

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N2V0AHI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?


my setup  would be the aorus 1080 ti's


with evga 750 p2 psus.

and i5 6400 t cpus

riser free

a 120 gb ssd for each board

and a pair of 4gb ddr4 ram sticks 

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low passive intake vents.

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Why not spend a little more and run 8 per mobo with server psu and pico? Just curious as that is what I am thinking of doing.
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Why not spend a little more and run 8 per mobo with server psu and pico? Just curious as that is what I am thinking of doing.

well  6 and 8 per mobo   involves riser trust.

and on really big scale it is the way to go.

question is  what is really big scale.





other info a listing from me.


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