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June 12, 2017, 05:29:24 AM
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Alright I'm not complaining about having to wait, but I do want to point out the deal with the "donation". The whole "donation" phrasing came into effect midway through the ico. When I invested into XEL, there was nothing indicating my investment was a donation. Donation disclaimers and country restrictions, among other legal jargon, was not implemented at the start of the sale, when myself, as well as many others, invested their coins.

Same thing happened to me. I invested in XEL before the whole "donation" disclaimers were added to the site.

Donation, from my point of view, is a term that got thrown around to protect the creator who went Mia shortly later.

I agree.


This is why I sold my XELs already, because it is just an investment that I had written-off a long time ago. (Pretty happy with the return.)
I'm probably going to buy some when it hits the exchanges though.

Plz. everybody. stop circling in the loop.

we get more than what we "invest" or "donate" whatever you call it.


EK spend his invaluable time in this project.

this wording argument is worthless now.   we true believer get 100X more from our penny "investment" or "donation"

I am f**king tired of this discussion at this wonderful time.  
I agree 100%. Such a useless distraction. This is an awesome time to :

1) Go on Twitter, YouTube, ..... and let people know about XEL
2) Contact some exchanges ( I know IOTA OTC might convince us that we don't need exchanges, but eventually we do.
3) Read about XEL on our website, so you can explain the concept in better terms than " XEL is better than Golem"
4) Welcome newcomers ! Please stop the " Sarcasm " from your answers. It ticks people off. Don't forget they have other choices to go for. Please professionally and courteously answer the questions .
5) Work on the " XEL Foundation ". It is crucial for the continuation of this revolutionary concept. Don't be greedy. No force donation, but open your hearts ( and wallets).

Thank you all for reading.

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gonna take some time to read thru thread and site, but can anyone tell me where i can buy this?  cant find it on CMC.. was there an ICO?

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gonna take some time to read thru thread and site, but can anyone tell me where i can buy this?  cant find it on CMC.. was there an ICO?

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please wait for Mainnet ( very soon) then you can purchase XEL on OTC market first then exchanges.

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Alright I'm not complaining about having to wait, but I do want to point out the deal with the "donation". The whole "donation" phrasing came into effect midway through the ico. When I invested into XEL, there was nothing indicating my investment was a donation. Donation disclaimers and country restrictions, among other legal jargon, was not implemented at the start of the sale, when myself, as well as many others, invested their coins.

Donation, from my point of view, is a term that got thrown around to protect the creator who went Mia shortly later.

Hi Jeff,

I tried to reconstruct everything and found out that on 9 Mar 2016 there already was a donation phrase on the website back then. Most likely (I am not sure, but I really believe) that the transition occured somewhere around 24 February 2016, so I guess the donation disclaimer was not read by people that came before 24th of February.

That would make a total of around 29 BTC affected. What does the community suggest here? Reading all these complaints over and over again here, what would be the community's preferred way to democratically handle it? I personally am pissed off by this discussion, If I would be the one to decide (which I am clearly not) I would somehow come up with 29 BTC, send them back and just erase the associated XEL once for all!

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Alright I'm not complaining about having to wait, but I do want to point out the deal with the "donation". The whole "donation" phrasing came into effect midway through the ico. When I invested into XEL, there was nothing indicating my investment was a donation. Donation disclaimers and country restrictions, among other legal jargon, was not implemented at the start of the sale, when myself, as well as many others, invested their coins.

Donation, from my point of view, is a term that got thrown around to protect the creator who went Mia shortly later.

Hi Jeff,

I tried to reconstruct everything and found out that on 9 Mar 2016 there already was a donation phrase on the website back then. Most likely (I am not sure, but I really believe) that the transition occured somewhere around 24 February 2016, so I guess the donation disclaimer was not read by people that came before 24th of February.

That would make a total of around 29 BTC affected. What does the community suggest here? Reading all these complaints over and over again here, what would be the community's preferred way to democratically handle it? I personally am pissed off by this discussion, If I would be the one to decide (which I am clearly not) I would somehow come up with 29 BTC, send them back and just erase the associated XEL once for all!



send back to those complain with disclaimers. but some ppl are not complaining at all.

then some workload again for you.

if it is possible, i can buy all the XEL from ppl have grudge over "donation" disclaimers.

Plz. all of them.

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send back to those complain with disclaimers. but some ppl are not complaining at all.

then some workload again for you.

I am not sending anything, I own 0.004 BTC. Besides, I am not the one to manage anything - I will never manage any funds, never manage any contracts that might be there or not, and never manage any decisions. Actually, I don't want to have anything to do with anything else than coding. I am just thinking lound about possible ways to mute this talk.

I think I remember that in March '06 there was a refund period for those who did not see the "donation" word before. Maybe someone wants to put some time into this. Because, If my piss-off-meter goes just a bit higher, I will lose any fascination for this project.
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if it is possible, i can buy all the XEL from ppl have grudge over "donation" disclaimers.

I think this might be it!
If I was you, I would just give them back what they donated (or lost or however they define it) and nothing more.

But this is something the community or someone else must organize.
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send back to those complain with disclaimers. but some ppl are not complaining at all.

then some workload again for you.

I am not sending anything, I own 0.004 BTC. Besides, I am not the one to manage anything - I will never manage any funds, never manage any contracts that might be there or not, and never manage any decisions. Actually, I don't want to have anything to do with anything else than coding. I am just thinking lound about possible ways to mute this talk.

I think I remember that in March '06 there was a refund period for those who did not see the "donation" word before. Maybe someone wants to put some time into this. Because, If my piss-off-meter goes just a bit higher, I will lose any fascination for this project.

Please, stay strong and i hope you don't lose your fascination to this project.
This project for almost a year under the radar, and still moving.
And now we almost in 1st step, litewallet/mainnet, many people expect from this project.
The more things we live, the greater the challenge.
Thank's EK and all others people for your effort to make this come true.

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send back to those complain with disclaimers. but some ppl are not complaining at all.

then some workload again for you.

I am not sending anything, I own 0.004 BTC. Besides, I am not the one to manage anything - I will never manage any funds, never manage any contracts that might be there or not, and never manage any decisions. Actually, I don't want to have anything to do with anything else than coding. I am just thinking lound about possible ways to mute this talk.

I think I remember that in March '06 there was a refund period for those who did not see the "donation" word before. Maybe someone wants to put some time into this. Because, If my piss-off-meter goes just a bit higher, I will lose any fascination for this project.

I'm sorry,  but I really fail to see the problem here.
It does not matter at all if someone sent funds under donation or investment pretense.
The reason it doesn't matter is that in both cases the person who sent funds recives something in return.
Mainnet is about to go live and the client is in good progression of development and coins are to be distributed.
Nobody has ANY justified reasons to complian here.
even those who see themselves as investors are getting exactly what they would get from any project they would invest in, nothing less.

EK,  you are sensitive to this type of talk but I think you should just ignore it. you will always have people complain in any project. doesn't matter what the specifics are.
with xel you see a supportive community and relatively little noise makers. let's not give them more attention than they deserve.

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send back to those complain with disclaimers. but some ppl are not complaining at all.

then some workload again for you.

I am not sending anything, I own 0.004 BTC. Besides, I am not the one to manage anything - I will never manage any funds, never manage any contracts that might be there or not, and never manage any decisions. Actually, I don't want to have anything to do with anything else than coding. I am just thinking lound about possible ways to mute this talk.

I think I remember that in March '06 there was a refund period for those who did not see the "donation" word before. Maybe someone wants to put some time into this. Because, If my piss-off-meter goes just a bit higher, I will lose any fascination for this project.

Please, stay strong and i hope you don't lose your fascination to this project.
This project for almost a year under the radar, and still moving.
And now we almost in 1st step, litewallet/mainnet, many people expect from this project.
The more things we live, the greater the challenge.
Thank's EK and all others people for your effort to make this come true.



I applaud this great work by EK and the rest of the Elastic volunteer team! We need to set up donation funds for these guys! The are doing so much.

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EK, don't forget the competition loves to see you upset. They'll do anything. Please stay cool  Smiley

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I support EK, letting go of those figures.
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We had been very quiet for a few weeks when suddenly the controversy returned with the donation-investment theme. I hope this does not affect our dev.

I keep the positive side, people working together for a project: Unvoid, EK, Coralrefeer, Imi, by rallier ... sorry for the forgetfulness

I think we should leave this donation-investment discussion aside because it is very toxic. It would be well for anyone wishing to discuss this issue to open a separate thread, because now it is only in the interest of progress.

Here there is a lot of work from people who have believed in this project, and it has done it free or almost free. We can not waste time discussing issues that drive us backwards rather than moving forward. We must respect the work of all these people.

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EK, don't forget the competition loves to see you upset. They'll do anything. Please stay cool  Smiley

The competition will not work  Wink At least not with their current concept.
and I think they know that. They also know that EK created a functioning product. I don't want to brag but just one of my Tweets about XEL has had 9000 views ! EK, you're more famous than you think  Smiley
This is time to celebrate and ignore some unwanted competition sent noises.

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EK, don't forget the competition loves to see you upset. They'll do anything. Please stay cool  Smiley

^ this, don't feed the trolls.
Good luck XEL
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if it is possible, i can buy all the XEL from ppl have grudge over "donation" disclaimers.

I'll pay the double amount of BTC!

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EK, don't forget the competition loves to see you upset. They'll do anything. Please stay cool  Smiley

^ this, don't feed the trolls.
Good luck XEL

Important point.
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if it is possible, i can buy all the XEL from ppl have grudge over "donation" disclaimers.

I'll pay the double amount of BTC!

 Cheesy

Yep, I can buy back some XEL too  Cheesy

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June 12, 2017, 09:48:12 AM
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Enough said about that matter.
Soon Mainnet will be launched and we should focus our attention on what follows next.

Lots of things to improve upon and create with the website, materials, pr and more.

I think that the white paper needs an update sometime as well, perhaps after some important open matters are more coherent and resolved.

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when will this release?
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