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February 13, 2018, 03:42:02 PM
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Despite steadily gaining mainstream popularity, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin Cash are still a long way from mainstream acceptability. Payments processor BitPay is working towards solving that problem, first with legacy Bitcoin (BTC) and now with Bitcoin Cash (BCH).

In an interview with CoinGeek.com, BitPay CEO Stephen Pair said there are two main obstacles that hinder blockchain payments acceptance: volatility risk and technical integration. What BitPay does is it simplifies the process for merchants, while also making sure that the retailers are paid fairly.

“Our platform makes it simple for merchants to receive payments from BTC (and soon Bitcoin Cash) wallets with minimal integration work or technical knowledge about Bitcoin. And our merchants get paid exactly what they charge to their bank accounts in local currency, minus a 1% processing fee,” Pair said.



https://coingeek.com/bitpay-ceo-refined-platform-allows-simpler-seamless-bitcoin-cash-use/


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February 13, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
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Roger Ver is going to be rolling out Bitcoincash ATMs:

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/963214514392129536

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I just bought 50 Bitcoin (BCH) ATM machines for a bit under half a million dollars. Thanks to our purchase the manufacturer has agreed to roll out BCH support to their existing 1000+ machines world wide!

It needs more publicity though - bitcoincash is fading out of the mainstream media coverage of crypto.

"I just bought 50 Bitcoin (BCH)"

It's BITCOIN CASH, not BITCOIN. He seriously needs to stop doing this.
BCH started of as a fork under different name, by their own choice. It's not Bitcoin by any definition, even if it adheres to the original Bitcoin whitepaper more than the "legacy" Bitcoin does.

I'm pretty sure RV pushes BCH=Bitcoin only because he chose to jump from BTC to BCH while still owning "Bitcoin.com" and "r/btc".

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February 13, 2018, 04:51:08 PM
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http://bitcoinist.com/farewell-bitcoin-cash-microsoft-chain-scaling-degrades-decentralization/


MICROSOFT: ON-CHAIN FAILS TO MEET CAPACITY NEEDS

In a blog post on Monday, Director of Program Management at Microsoft’s Identity Division Alex Simons said that layer 2 scaling solutions, which principally involve the Lightning Network, are superior to on-chain scaling.

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While some blockchain communities have increased on-chain transaction capacity (e.g. blocksize increases), this approach generally degrades the decentralized state of the network and cannot reach the millions of transactions per second the system would generate at world-scale.
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To overcome these technical barriers, we are collaborating on decentralized Layer 2 protocols that run atop these public blockchains to achieve global scale, while preserving the attributes of a world class DID (decentralized identity) system

I'm pretty sure that Graphene compression should help to decrease bandwidth requirements for a miner with big blocks even it is bigger than 32MB. And as I know in the future with UTXO snapshot development miner wouldn't need to download full blockchain.
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February 13, 2018, 05:51:35 PM
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"MICROSOFT: ON-CHAIN FAILS TO MEET CAPACITY NEEDS"

-> 640 kB ought to be enough for anybody ...

Sure - it always depends WHO you ask...  but be careful and do not invite new middlemen (BS, MS, ...) - that's not Bitcoin.

lawl now these trolls are quoting Microsoft, as if they have anything positive to do for crypto. They should stick with making malware operating systems.

As for the video of the CEO in the alligator shirt, TLDR, sh*tboy, miner collusion and 51% attacks have been done to death for years already.
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February 14, 2018, 12:08:49 AM
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evolutive situation...

https://dedi.jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#30d
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February 14, 2018, 04:22:31 AM
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Roger Ver is going to be rolling out Bitcoincash ATMs:

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/963214514392129536

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I just bought 50 Bitcoin (BCH) ATM machines for a bit under half a million dollars. Thanks to our purchase the manufacturer has agreed to roll out BCH support to their existing 1000+ machines world wide!

It needs more publicity though - bitcoincash is fading out of the mainstream media coverage of crypto.

"I just bought 50 Bitcoin (BCH)"

It's BITCOIN CASH, not BITCOIN. He seriously needs to stop doing this.
BCH started of as a fork under different name, by their own choice. It's not Bitcoin by any definition, even if it adheres to the original Bitcoin whitepaper more than the "legacy" Bitcoin does.

I'm pretty sure RV pushes BCH=Bitcoin only because he chose to jump from BTC to BCH while still owning "Bitcoin.com" and "r/btc".

Here we see a rare sight indeed!  ^^^ a legendary bitcoin whisperer is attempting to take bitcoins' temperature...  I think this is the first time ever documented.  Notice the colorful coins and markings?..  truly magnificent!

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February 14, 2018, 08:03:01 AM
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Not sure if this is real or fake, but apparently there's a graffiti in Paris.
Anyone is there now and can confirm?
https://i.redd.it/a889ul8881g01.jpg

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February 14, 2018, 08:03:40 PM
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Not sure if this is real or fake, but apparently there's a graffiti in Paris.
Anyone is there now and can confirm?
https://i.redd.it/a889ul8881g01.jpg



If it's real it's probably Banksey - looks like his style.
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February 14, 2018, 08:06:40 PM
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Did anyone else notice that coinmarketcap now displays BCH, XRP, LTC, and ETH base rates?

https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/02/13/coinmarketcap-cryptocurrency-bch-xrp-ltc/

BULLISH
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February 14, 2018, 08:33:28 PM
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Jbreher. Is that you"

https://www.paybear.io


Looks great!


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February 14, 2018, 08:46:48 PM
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Not sure if this is real or fake, but apparently there's a graffiti in Paris.
Anyone is there now and can confirm?
https://i.redd.it/a889ul8881g01.jpg


This is beautiful  Smiley

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February 15, 2018, 03:45:40 AM
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February 15, 2018, 06:05:55 AM
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BCH next upgrade / roadmap. - the only one that is highly troll-escorted.

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The last one, the old opcode re-activating will enable BCH to do moar ETH like stuff....

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February 15, 2018, 06:15:47 AM
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BCH next upgrade / roadmap. - the only one that is highly troll-escorted.

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The last one, the old opcode re-activating will enable BCH to do moar ETH like stuff....

Can't see the point in increasing block size when you're only using the tiniest fraction of the current block size with the current average being 80Kb (~1% of the current limit)

Also was you consulted on these changes and get a say or did the developer just decided by himself because so far you've just been trusting a central entity that is not Bitcoin
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February 15, 2018, 06:45:41 AM
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BCH next upgrade / roadmap. - the only one that is highly troll-escorted.

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The last one, the old opcode re-activating will enable BCH to do moar ETH like stuff....


I am ready for this.  Yes!

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February 15, 2018, 06:57:21 AM
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BCH next upgrade / roadmap. - the only one that is highly troll-escorted.

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The last one, the old opcode re-activating will enable BCH to do moar ETH like stuff....

Is it about smart contract feature coming to BCH? Sounds good. Plus one competitor for ETH and most dangerous one. There have been and I'm sure there is some cases when ETH network struggles during high volume transaction where BCH I think should have no problem.
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February 15, 2018, 07:01:10 AM
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Why transaction is instant?
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February 15, 2018, 07:01:21 AM
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BCH next upgrade / roadmap. - the only one that is highly troll-escorted.

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The last one, the old opcode re-activating will enable BCH to do moar ETH like stuff....

Is it about smart contract feature coming to BCH? Sounds good. Plus one competitor for ETH and most dangerous one. There have been and I'm sure there is some cases when ETH network struggles during high volume transaction where BCH I think should have no problem.

ETH does struggle and it is not a block limit issue its a networking issue.

Unless you have a really high end server you cannot even sync a new ETH full node anymore is that what you want for BCH
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February 15, 2018, 07:10:01 AM
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These guys get it.

http://hibusiness.ca/2018/02/14/japans-sbi-group-mining-bitcoin-cash-now/

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February 15, 2018, 07:22:27 AM
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BCH next upgrade / roadmap. - the only one that is highly troll-escorted.

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The last one, the old opcode re-activating will enable BCH to do moar ETH like stuff....

Is it about smart contract feature coming to BCH? Sounds good. Plus one competitor for ETH and most dangerous one. There have been and I'm sure there is some cases when ETH network struggles during high volume transaction where BCH I think should have no problem.

ETH does struggle and it is not a block limit issue its a networking issue.

Unless you have a really high end server you cannot even sync a new ETH full node anymore is that what you want for BCH

Thx for bringing that up (again).

Proper scaling comes up with a cost. Always

That means the romantic phase has gone and we are already living in ASIC times.

Scaling has turned into industrial style. Sorry for telling this news...

You have these two different choices NOW:

Introduce industry on the 2nd layer (LN, MicroSchrott, BS, Axa, ...)

Or

Scale up the first layer = on-chain > Miners + their core infrastructure


In my view it is very logical choice for what Bitcoiners should vote.



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