[ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees

[R-J-F]

I'm also interested in Bitcoin Cash. What is website?

You're kidding, right? It is listed in literally the very first sentence in the first post on the first page of this very thread.








::sheesh!:: Never before have I thought of Oompa Loompas as slackers.

Man, I am so stealing that line! 

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[Bitbobb]

My point is: Bitcoin is inherently anti-democratic. It supersedes jurisdictions, and those who have more will write laws in the future. Money is the oldest technology, not restricted to primates even, and wealth trumps any political system

People need to eat, thus, u can buy people

     is your point that money is anti political?

Do you believe individuals should hold political rights?  Do you believe people have a right to money?

I think that the nations had a fair chance to keep an honest issue.  Competition will work wonders.  even in money.  be not afraid the market forces apply to governments too. The tool known as money in peoples' hands will give them a fair chance politically.

If you do not trust the individual please consider how they have been gamed.  In open systems the ability to game them is lessened.  For example.  In the usa the greatest threat as of 1805 was the proliferation of false legal advise.  This represents the greatest threat to the laws of the nation.  Several attack vectors have been identified.  1) false legal advise.  Yeah most patriot types are gov agernts leading you astray (check) 2)  water down the quality of justices with less-than-honorable types (check) this makes the immune system less effective for the open system.  3) remove legal instruction from schooling so that the citizens are not informed so that poor decision making can spread.  Since they have had the risk mitigated for them they are not immediately aware of the problem.
 

    I trust them to be human and therefore greedy so I like them seeking honest rewards (market forces) to support an honest money (decentralized public ledger).  Therefore for my money I trust p2p digital cash where the single signature bearer instrument known as bitcoin cash (bitcoin) allows me to control my private keys.

[ZeroTheGreat]

Do you believe individuals should hold political rights?  Do you believe people have a right to money?

It doesn't matter what I believe. I hope that market will deliver something other than feudalism 2.0, Roger's project is very interesting, but no one can guarantee it. Pockets of voluntarism in Mad Max world is our best hope

I think that the nations had a fair chance to keep an honest issue

Open blockchains erase nations by being borderless systems and by destroying total taxation. I predict Corporate Congresses in midterm future

[AlloM]

Imagine if Satoshi came out of the closet and said "the real bitcoin is peer to peer cash, or in other words Bitcoin Cash, BCH/BCC" I had a dream and I hope he comes out and says this or someone hacks his handle and says it for him.

I would need to revise my sells to 10k a coin.

He has already done that: https://twitter.com/ProfFaustus

Not bad to have dream like this and keep dreaming with open eyes but real world is totally different. This would never happen this will continue like another altcoin.

[Bitbobb]

Do you believe individuals should hold political rights?  Do you believe people have a right to money?

It doesn't matter what I believe. I hope that market will deliver something other than feudalism 2.0, Roger's project is very interesting, but no one can guarantee it. Pockets of voluntarism in Mad Max world is our best hope

I think that the nations had a fair chance to keep an honest issue

Open blockchains erase nations by being borderless systems and by destroying total taxation. I predict Corporate Congresses in midterm future

no the nation-states have plenty of personam jurisdiction obviously.  And that if properly applied (and they usually do these days LOL) leads to subject matter jurisdiction.  So I see no way that power to tax is lessened. So forgive me if I do not join you to woe the poor nation-states right now.  Bitcoin is a higher quality money.  The fact that usa moved over to a double signature issue and therefore made their tier 1 money similar to a "commodity money" is not my fault and they should pay the price since that was the second job of government.  If a nation-state willfully abandons their job should we get upset at the people who push forward with a new system?  a better system to boot?

     The fact is that what you are describing happened in 1789.  Yes a federal corporation was formed.  It was the 12th version.  So USA ver. 12.0.0 (stable release).  And it was open source public chains of title available all over in nodes called counties where you can verify title to your private property that you may have got on presale for 1/5th of the face value.  In exchange you needed to support the network by mining or living there 5 years.  Finally after 5 years the difficulty re targeted and you earn a block where the chain of title gets updated in your name now and you can either keep the transaction offline (paper wallet aka wild deed) or you can include it in the counties records for the public notice.  Under original rules only the landowners had the right to vote!  And the only reason the King and his jurisdiction was thrown off is because of the time it took to redress a grievance (6+ confirms took over 3 years back then)

   The fact is that the previous system under the Virgina Land Corporation was deemed a total failure by 1696.  They needed to admit that 99% speculation was an unworkable prospect.  So hence the Virginal company model was abandoned and Jeffereson who was running the enterprise moved later as governor of Virginia to sign over the vast land holdings to congress to be later distributed.  This makes the incentive there for future users to support the network (USA).  At the time Jefferson made the comment that this was the most dubious signature he ever affixed to a contract.  And so too I felt as I sold btc to buy bch but I believe it is a more perfect system that is employed in the governance framework than one that removes the "single signature" aspect of bitcoin.

Sovereigns come and go but titles to private property are supposed to remain in the hands of the private party that held them prior to the changing of the sovereign.  If you respect private property then you are not scared of market forces.  and therefor not fearful of international law nor the family of nations that all cling to it.

We have seen "willful blindness" at the nation state level obviously.  In fact the USA is one of the largest violators of international law this last 100 years.  So the only fear under a system using market forces is that somehow the individual can be gamed to work against their own best interests and be similarly blinded..  Maybe that is riskier today than ever before IDK LOL!

[tekmobile]

Imagine if Satoshi came out of the closet and said "the real bitcoin is peer to peer cash, or in other words Bitcoin Cash, BCH/BCC" I had a dream and I hope he comes out and says this or someone hacks his handle and says it for him.

I would need to revise my sells to 10k a coin.

He has already done that: https://twitter.com/ProfFaustus

Not bad to have dream like this and keep dreaming with open eyes but real world is totally different. This would never happen this will continue like another altcoin.

Read his latest tweets for the past 2 weeks. See how very super detailed he talks about all potentials for Bitcoin, from the original whitepaper. How it can support smart contracts and a lot of other things. The least of all, is that this man is super educated. A random "normal" educated person could never have made Bitcoin, that is why I think it is a big chance, his is indeed the real Satoshi.

Also, how many "altcoins" do you know of, which have a super educated person and other big rich shots behind them? None!

Place your bets but don't sit without Bitcoin Cash (BCH) in your portfolio! There is a great chance, that a flippening will happen because after all is said and done, there is only ONE true Bitcoin which follows the original whitepaper... and that is... Bitcoin Cash (BCH).

He's openly admitted fairly recently within the last month or two that he is indeed NOT satoshi

[boraboy]

Coinbase sucks for not supporting BCH. I buy Litecoin then send to Bitfinex and sell for BCH. Its sad coinbase has chosen to wait until the new year.

[nagobinga]

is there any bitcoin cash i want to get something where i can get it ,, must join signature first or is there any other step.

[Bitbobb]

is there any bitcoin cash i want to get something where i can get it ,, must join signature first or is there any other step.

you can buy it or mine it unless you had bitcoin prior to aug 1st.  if you did then you must import the private key or wallet seed words to access bitcoin cash (bitcoin).

[estenity]

On another note - see interesting article here https://www.yours.org/content/predicting-the-outcome-of-the-november-bitcoin-fork-89914ce0e1f5/

Whales will buy Bitcoin Cash cheap and sell Bitcoin at its all-time highs in preparation for the flippening. Then by leveraging huge amounts of capital, whales will push the price of Bitcoin Cash up and the price of Bitcoin down at approximately the same time as the split between Segwit1x and Segwit2x.
Miners will now be incentivized to switch from Segwit1x/Segwit2x to Bitcoin Cash due to improved profitability, while Segwit1x and Segwit2x both struggle on suddenly far lower mining power. Miners themselves may also be whales and will deliberately cause the incentives to shift for their own double gain.


It's a diabolical plan, but it could just work. Not sure I agree that it's the most likely scenario, but there's probably a 10-20% chance of this in my estimation. Ironically, the miners' gaming of the EDA caused everyone to setup a solid infrastructure to mine BCH and to switch rapidly between coins... but then BCH switches off the EDA right before the 2x fork... well played.

Investors and traders continue to underestimate the level of panic if/when 1x and/or 2x lose hashpower quickly. Last week we saw BTC lose about 35% hashpower, and the effects were noticeable. Now BTC is pumping through the roof, almost in response to that drop in hashing?

Personally, I've been watching the hashrate charts more than the price charts.]

could surprise a lot of people, among them gov and newbies just buying speculative bitcoin
i saw that coinbase opened a record 100,000 accounts in one day..

[wavespump]

Bitcoin cash is very awesome, currently goes up along with bitcoin. I think before bitcoin hard fork, BCC/BCH has high probability to hit 0.15-0.2 btc, it will make every BCH's fans happy. And BCH will kill BT2.

[Sallysakky]

Bitcoin Cash shows great results. Now every time Bitcoin goes up, Bitcoin Cash goes up too and sometimes even faster than Bitcoin. Such a tendency is great, more and more people will buy Bitcoin Cash cause they still can afford it. 

[jbreher]

BitCH. It's hell on heels, and Bitcoin it's a gunnin' for you.

[junder]

the price of bitcoin cash is very good and always go up
at the moment is 0.091 and seems will be increase to 0.1. We expected.

[JK47XdeCrypT]

the price of bitcoin cash is very good and always go up
at the moment is 0.091 and seems will be increase to 0.1. We expected.

Is it really true there are six teams competing to make Bitcoin Cash better? I am wondering if they could ever be better than Bitcoin Core devs

[ipanda]

the price of bitcoin cash is very good and always go up
at the moment is 0.091 and seems will be increase to 0.1. We expected.

Is it really true there are six teams competing to make Bitcoin Cash better? I am wondering if they could ever be better than Bitcoin Core devs

i heard that rumor too, and need some confirmations
that will be great. Who knows, BCH might be on the  way to take the iron throne.

[tomkat]

the price of bitcoin cash is very good and always go up
at the moment is 0.091 and seems will be increase to 0.1. We expected.

Is it really true there are six teams competing to make Bitcoin Cash better? I am wondering if they could ever be better than Bitcoin Core devs

i heard that rumor too, and need some confirmations
that will be great. Who knows, BCH might be on the  way to take the iron throne.

That's not rumor.
There're at least 5 node implementations for BCH - https://www.bitcoincash.org/#nodes

[vanessa81]

It is already has iron throne, it is the best coin to invest 

[MarketMagic]

Bitcoin Cash will never replace Bitcoin but is good option for micropayments rather than litecoin in my opinion.Lukedashjr and even jihan Wu who is behind this fork agree with this.Read his latest tweets.

[David48l]

I do not understand much of hash and difucultad, but it is possible that after November 13 that the EDA is updated the most profitable chain is Bitocoin Cash and a large amount of mining goes to cash?