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[Bitinity]

Today I have played with good amount of deposit at stake after few months. Wagerd 2.81 btc and got 79th position in daily race. Compared to wager amount the prize isn't worth anything. With this wager anyone could easily have the position in top 10 at other casino daily race. All the big whale plays at stake now. Seems like small players don't have the chance to stay in top 100 of daily race anymore.  BTW, I have lost enough amount in deposit today. Here is one of my session stats. Lost more amount in another session

Above image shows that you lost $2,400 for $51,287 wagered amount. This makes me wonder what games did you play and how did you play it. I think if your main purpose is for the race and you play games with 1% HE or less then you should have not lost that much. Did you play with martingale on that session? If so, I do not think it is a good idea to do martingale if the main purpose is for the Race. I think betting flat amount on 1% HE games will give you better result, btw sorry for your lose.

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[janggernaut]

Today I have played with good amount of deposit at stake after few months. Wagerd 2.81 btc and got 79th position in daily race. Compared to wager amount the prize isn't worth anything. With this wager anyone could easily have the position in top 10 at other casino daily race. All the big whale plays at stake now. Seems like small players don't have the chance to stay in top 100 of daily race anymore.  BTW, I have lost enough amount in deposit today. Here is one of my session stats. Lost more amount in another session

Above image shows that you lost $2,400 for $51,287 wagered amount. This makes me wonder what games did you play and how did you play it. I think if your main purpose is for the race and you play games with 1% HE or less then you should have not lost that much. Did you play with martingale on that session? If so, I do not think it is a good idea to do martingale if the main purpose is for the Race. I think betting flat amount on 1% HE games will give you better result, btw sorry for your lose.

Obviously he didn't betting with martingale strategy. You can see from his result, he got 249 losses and 1216 wins on that session, so he played higher than 2x multipler (i assume he played around 70-80% winning chance). People think they can easily win race by betting on higher winning chance, which it won't work everytime

[Stunna]

'Your withdrawal will have 0.00030000 subtracted from your remaining balance to cover the fee required to process the transaction."

Thats 10$ withdrawal fee, are you crazy?

At the moment 25sat/b would be way enough. This site really is robbing its players. How often do you want to raise the withdrawal fee?

I had 0.0015 on a wallet I wanted to close, so I deposited it. Because of a relatively high fee I only got 0.00136 cause I wanted the funds fast.
Tried to bet it all on Korean basketball but didnt even let me bet 0.001 (thats below 30$ limit, haha) on moneyline so I bet half on moneyline and half on handicap.
So I won and now have 0.00263 in my account. If you deduct another 0.0003 for the withdrawal my end result is 0.00233 from starting 0.0015 although I won an 1.92 bet. WOW.

Even nitrogen sports charges 0.0001 for a withdrawal (with giving 1 free withdrawal every week) .

People don't stop complaining about withdrawal fee. If you don't agree with the fee, don't deposit your money on here. If you like other site, just playing on there without complaining other site. Each site has their own fee, if you don't like it, just leave it. Fyi there are lot of site which charge even 0.001 - 0.0015 btc for each withdrawal (not only talking about gambling site)

You dont get it dont you. They raised the withdrawal fee yet again.
So people should check how much the withdrawal fee is raised to today before they deposit? Give me a break.

We are always subsidizing part of the fee for users. Our goal is to continue to do so but we cannot subsidize 90% of the fee.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee#:~:text=Basic%20Info&text=Bitcoin%20Average%20Transaction%20Fee%20is,K%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

For the past 2 months the fee was ~$2 we charged users while we were often paying $10+ out of pocket. Between BTC and ETH we would have spent hundreds of thousands this month alone in fee subsidies for users which gets unsustainable when users are using stake as a wallet to avoid paying normal fees. We will keep our fee under the current transaction fee so users will still benefit. As the network normalizes and fees come back down our fee passed to users will be reduced further. We are working on making it so users can set a custom fee

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[actmyname]

For the past 2 months the fee was ~$2 we charged users while we were often paying $10+ out of pocket. Between BTC and ETH we would have spent hundreds of thousands this month alone in fee subsidies for users which gets unsustainable when users are using stake as a wallet to avoid paying normal fees. We will keep our fee under the current transaction fee so users will still benefit. As the network normalizes and fees come back down our fee passed to users will be reduced further. We are working on making it so users can set a custom fee

More inputs to a casino, of course, increase the size of the transaction. Consolidating many small deposits to withdraw a winning amount (expected to be much higher than the average deposit) means a potentially expensive transaction. What's the average deposit size? It might be worth investigating a sliding withdrawal fee determined by the value of your transactions - incentivizes reduced size usage.

[TwitchySeal]

'Your withdrawal will have 0.00030000 subtracted from your remaining balance to cover the fee required to process the transaction."

Thats 10$ withdrawal fee, are you crazy?

At the moment 25sat/b would be way enough. This site really is robbing its players. How often do you want to raise the withdrawal fee?

Hey did you contact the support about this and what did they have to say, also it’s quiet possible that at the time of withdrawal the network was charging a higher fee and hence they charged you that fee. Furthermore did you check at regular levels, was the fee same and if you didn’t check why did you withdraw when the fees were high?.

I did not withdraw yet, because this fee is a fking joke. And like I said, the fee right now would be way less than 10$. When I deposited I took a "fast fee" and paid 0.00014 for the network.

The fee they're charging is in line with a reasonable network fee if you hope to have it confirmed next block.  

But if you're making small deposits or withdraws with Bitcoin, you're doing it wrong.  I'd recommend paying the 2 or 3% fee to exchange with dinabot for trx or ltc and then withdraw for about 5 cents and stick with anything but bitcoin going forward.

For the past 2 months the fee was ~$2 we charged users while we were often paying $10+ out of pocket. Between BTC and ETH we would have spent hundreds of thousands this month alone in fee subsidies for users which gets unsustainable when users are using stake as a wallet to avoid paying normal fees. We will keep our fee under the current transaction fee so users will still benefit. As the network normalizes and fees come back down our fee passed to users will be reduced further. We are working on making it so users can set a custom fee

More inputs to a casino, of course, increase the size of the transaction. Consolidating many small deposits to withdraw a winning amount (expected to be much higher than the average deposit) means a potentially expensive transaction. What's the average deposit size? It might be worth investigating a sliding withdrawal fee determined by the value of your transactions - incentivizes reduced size usage.

Doing a few batches of btc cashouts a day and then giving the user the option to pay the fee for instant or pay a reduced fee and wait for the next batch could work also. 

[jrrsparkles]

Obviously he didn't betting with martingale strategy. You can see from his result, he got 249 losses and 1216 wins on that session, so he played higher than 2x multipler (i assume he played around 70-80% winning chance). People think they can easily win race by betting on higher winning chance, which it won't work everytime

Winning ratio is 6:1 but still the player is in the loss that is how gambling designed to be.

People who bet with such huge bet amounts really care about the rewards for their wagered amount?

[xandry]

I do not know ANY of the providers, stakes' worst decision was to let the game building go and just hire from others, it never really made sense to me. I can't be bothered by it because it is just optional, they still have their own games that I play on and that is good enough for me, the only downside is that they are not adding any new games themselves, they are just dealing with others and add their games which is really zero to me, it means they didn't add any games.

The fact is that provably fair is not something on those games and only applies here on the original games is good enough reason for me to now gamble there. Why would I want to gamble on a third party provider? I am 100% in support of third party providers being here, because I am not forced to play them, but I want more games from stake themselves as well that are all provably fair.

Just one word that can explain everything: competitiveness.
To increase the number of users they need to attract them in some way. Many other casinos already have third-party games. The more providers of games, the more games, the more different the promos, etc.

[MICRO]

I do not know ANY of the providers, stakes' worst decision was to let the game building go and just hire from others, it never really made sense to me. I can't be bothered by it because it is just optional, they still have their own games that I play on and that is good enough for me, the only downside is that they are not adding any new games themselves, they are just dealing with others and add their games which is really zero to me, it means they didn't add any games.

The fact is that provably fair is not something on those games and only applies here on the original games is good enough reason for me to now gamble there. Why would I want to gamble on a third party provider? I am 100% in support of third party providers being here, because I am not forced to play them, but I want more games from stake themselves as well that are all provably fair.

Just one word that can explain everything: competitiveness.
To increase the number of users they need to attract them in some way. Many other casinos already have third-party games. The more providers of games, the more games, the more different the promos, etc.

We are always working on more stake originals games.

[Mahdirakib]

Above image shows that you lost $2,400 for $51,287 wagered amount. This makes me wonder what games did you play and how did you play it. I think if your main purpose is for the race and you play games with 1% HE or less then you should have not lost that much. Did you play with martingale on that session? If so, I do not think it is a good idea to do martingale if the main purpose is for the Race. I think betting flat amount on 1% HE games will give you better result, btw sorry for your lose.

Obviously he didn't betting with martingale strategy. You can see from his result, he got 249 losses and 1216 wins on that session, so he played higher than 2x multipler (i assume he played around 70-80% winning chance). People think they can easily win race by betting on higher winning chance, which it won't work everytime

Actually I was playing dice(1% HE) game at 1.2× payout. And I had no intention to do wager for daily race. Firstly I lost two hundred dollars when I started betting. After that I continuosly lost more in a hope of recovery. I know that 1.2× payout isn't a profitable method for gambling. I got few bad streak and lost much on those. Nowadays I don't use martingale strategy but it was one of my favourite method while I was new to gambling. 'It doesn't matter which strategy we use, in the long run house edge always wins.'

[Kakmakr]

I do not know ANY of the providers, stakes' worst decision was to let the game building go and just hire from others, it never really made sense to me. I can't be bothered by it because it is just optional, they still have their own games that I play on and that is good enough for me, the only downside is that they are not adding any new games themselves, they are just dealing with others and add their games which is really zero to me, it means they didn't add any games.

The fact is that provably fair is not something on those games and only applies here on the original games is good enough reason for me to now gamble there. Why would I want to gamble on a third party provider? I am 100% in support of third party providers being here, because I am not forced to play them, but I want more games from stake themselves as well that are all provably fair.

Just one word that can explain everything: competitiveness.
To increase the number of users they need to attract them in some way. Many other casinos already have third-party games. The more providers of games, the more games, the more different the promos, etc.

If you look at the High Rollers on Stake, you will notice that they do not really play the third party games. Most of them are playing the Stake Original games like Dice / Keno and Plinko with good strategies. One of the other reasons why they play these games are the high RTP rate of the Stake original games. (None of the third party providers offer anywhere close to that)

So you learn from these High Rollers and you follow their strategies. Stake should create a lot more original games to retain these High Rollers and the huge wins from these VIP's will attract other gamblers. 

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[panjul07]

I do not know ANY of the providers, stakes' worst decision was to let the game building go and just hire from others, it never really made sense to me. I can't be bothered by it because it is just optional, they still have their own games that I play on and that is good enough for me, the only downside is that they are not adding any new games themselves, they are just dealing with others and add their games which is really zero to me, it means they didn't add any games.

The fact is that provably fair is not something on those games and only applies here on the original games is good enough reason for me to now gamble there. Why would I want to gamble on a third party provider? I am 100% in support of third party providers being here, because I am not forced to play them, but I want more games from stake themselves as well that are all provably fair.

Just one word that can explain everything: competitiveness.
To increase the number of users they need to attract them in some way. Many other casinos already have third-party games. The more providers of games, the more games, the more different the promos, etc.

We are always working on more stake originals games.

But please do not create a slot game similar to the Blue Samurai, afaik not many players play this game compared to the Scarab slot.
I have ever heard that Stake will have more than 10 original slots, will it come in the near future (in case what I heard is true)?

[TwitchySeal]

No the fee was not in line with the network fee, just as I explained. Below 0.0001 would have been enough to get it confirmed in the next block and I paid 3 times that.

Here's a quick overview on how btc tx fees work: https://support.blockchain.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000939883-Explaining-bitcoin-transaction-fees


The average fee yesterday in USD was $14.26
https://www.blockchain.com/charts/fees-usd-per-transaction

I checked a couple bitcoin fee calculators for segwit 2 input/2 output transactions with expectation of first confirmation within 3-4 blocks and as of right now $10 is on the low end.

estimatefee.com for example:



If you're still hung up on the 1.5 mbtc, just exchange them with Dinabot for TRX for a 2-3% fee (~$1.50) and then withdraw the TRX (3 cent fee).

[StackGambler]

Not gonna lie, site is great, I love playing on it. No complaints about the games.

But seriously I cannot fucking stand the support/mods, they ruin the experience so fucking much. Almost makes me want to delete my account and never play again. Steve and Eddie are fine, but holy shit, the fucking Mebit staff. The most incompetent fuckers I've ever met in my life except for Uros.

First you get predatory shit like Stake mod Rade dating a Filipino player in chat. I say something in chat about the UK's GDP per capita being larger than the Phillipines' (while explicitly stating I live in Singapore, not the UK), the girl gets offended, and boom my account instantly gets banned and I'm forced to KYC. Seriously the most disgusting senseless bias I've seen, and on top of all of that you can't even talk to a fucking person who understands you because at every level of that god damn support team there's barely anyone who understands English.

And then you get random shit like being muted for 2 days for a rule you didn't even know about, appealing the mute, and suddenly getting muted for 2 extra weeks because some retarded fucking Serbian is 'sure I knew about the rule because I'm an old player'. Like literally fuck off, I don't spend all day in the fucking chat room, I just play the game, I don't know every shitty rule, especially a brand new one that was implemented recently because the mods couldn't keep players from scamming and hacking each other.

Please don't get me wrong. I like your site.

Please, for the love of God, hire someone who speaks ENGLISH to moderate the ENGLISH chat. It would be fucking lovely. Being a part of Stake's community would actually become a tolerable experience.

Shoutout Eddie and Steve for being normal nice people instead of absolute braindead mongoloids. Shoutout Uros for escaping the hood. Rade belongs in prison. And whoever "AlphaStorm" is, fire that fucking illiterate loser.

[TwitchySeal]

We are not talking about "yesterday" or "today" but the time I wanted to make my withdrawal.

From Feb 2nd:

the fee right now would be way less than 10$.

'Your withdrawal will have 0.00030000 subtracted from your remaining balance to cover the fee required to process the transaction."

Thats 10$ withdrawal fee, are you crazy?

At the moment 25sat/b would be way enough. This site really is robbing its players. How often do you want to raise the withdrawal fee?

Which is why I posted on Feb 3:

The average fee yesterday in USD was $14.26

'Yesterday' on Feb 3 is Feb 2, the same day you said 'the fee right now would be way less than 10$'

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

[jrrsparkles]

We are not talking about "yesterday" or "today" but the time I wanted to make my withdrawal. A fast fee at that time was below 4$.
When I the finally made the withdrawal an "urgent" fee was around 0.0002btc, I paid the regular 0.0003 and what did they send it with? 0.0001. So I paid 3 times the fee they actually used. By the times they sent it this fee was even too low and I had 7000 transactions above me and had to wait several blocks to get confirmed.

I think the answer was already given by Stunna, they already gave too much of incentives for their customers with withdrawal fee when it was too high but to avoid people using their account as a regular wallet instead of gambling with such incentives they implement such hike in the fee which is temporary I guess. So now the decision is your because they made their decision if you still don't like their fee structure then choose something else which falls under your category.

[RealMalatesta]

The fee they're charging is in line with a reasonable network fee if you hope to have it confirmed next block.  

But if you're making small deposits or withdraws with Bitcoin, you're doing it wrong.  I'd recommend paying the 2 or 3% fee to exchange with dinabot for trx or ltc and then withdraw for about 5 cents and stick with anything but bitcoin going forward.

We can't just tell people "if you do not want to pay 10 bucks you should go with some other coin" like they are the wrong ones. We are talking about stake here, first of all stake could pay everyone's fee and would still be getting a ton of customers but leaving that aside, I believe for someone who has low amounts of money 10 bucks is huge and they may want to pay less, at that point we all know stake collects a lot of payments together and sends them all together which makes it cheaper so at the end of the day stake could offer 5 bucks and even less for transactions.

So, to tell the customer to use another coin like it is their fault that stake charges 10 bucks is not really a nice move, it is really victim shaming and you should be ashamed of it. I say stake could basically drop their charge 50% and combine it and send all transactions combined whenever it reaches to a point, customers can wait 1-2 hours that is fine.

[Haunebu]

Not gonna lie, site is great, I love playing on it. No complaints about the games.

But seriously I cannot fucking stand the support/mods, they ruin the experience so fucking much. Almost makes me want to delete my account and never play again. Steve and Eddie are fine, but holy shit, the fucking Mebit staff. The most incompetent fuckers I've ever met in my life except for Uros.

I partially agree with you. Have faced several issues with some of their mods myself in the chat though I never got muted or anything, but they did leave a bad impression. I actually considered switching sites at one point since some of their mods couldn't resolve my queries properly.

However, this happened sometime back. Their customer service has improved since then since majority of my recent queries were resolved quickly.

[ralle14]

I partially agree with you. Have faced several issues with some of their mods myself in the chat though I never got muted or anything, but they did leave a bad impression. I actually considered switching sites at one point since some of their mods couldn't resolve my queries properly.

However, this happened sometime back. Their customer service has improved since then since majority of my recent queries were resolved quickly.

For me it's the complete opposite I always think the mods are pretty chill and nice to hangout with on chat. If there's an issue they'll fix it right away and I sometimes see others get muted but they usually get a warning or two before getting the hammer. I guess the other chat rooms give off a different vibe, I always lurk on the sports chat most of the time rather than the english/main chat.