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[dooglus]

Chat will no longer provide experience, any prior messages will be rolled back as well in terms of experience.

Spammers have flooded the website attempting to game the level system and this in effect has been effecting sockets/rest of the chats (VIP/Main) not just PVP.

This is a great example of how incentives work. If you pay people according to how much they chat, they will chat more. Not better, just more.

It's tricky to work out what incentives to offer, but you can be sure that people will work out what works best for them and act accordingly.

See also: the faucet.

Edit: also, see how people post content-free one-liners on the forum just to get their post count up so they can earn more from signature campaigns... that's another example of an incentive having undesirable consequences.

[MICRO]

Chat will no longer provide experience, any prior messages will be rolled back as well in terms of experience.

Spammers have flooded the website attempting to game the level system and this in effect has been effecting sockets/rest of the chats (VIP/Main) not just PVP.

This is a great example of how incentives work. If you pay people according to how much they chat, they will chat more. Not better, just more.

It's tricky to work out what incentives to offer, but you can be sure that people will work out what works best for them and act accordingly.

See also: the faucet.

Edit: also, see how people post content-free one-liners on the forum just to get their post count up so they can earn more from signature campaigns... that's another example of an incentive having undesirable consequences.

Yeah, its rly hard to reward people for being on site , for chating and all that, and not make some other people abuse it. There is no perfect system sadly .

[dooglus]

Yeah, its rly hard to reward people for being on site , for chating and all that, and not make some other people abuse it. There is no perfect system sadly .

The trick is to reward the behaviours that you actually want.

You think you want people chatting, because that makes the site look busy and attracts players, but what you really want is for people to bet.

If you reward people for chatting, they'll find a way of automating it, so you achieve your intermediate goal: "get people chatting", but not the real goal: "get people betting".

You need the incentive to target "get people betting". So you base your level system on the amount they wagered, not the amount they chatted, and "pay" them when they reach various goals. Maybe they get a PD mug, T-shirt, read access to the VIP room, write access to the VIP room, etc. as they climb the levels. Maybe they get a slightly lower house edge depending on their level, whatever. You just need to make sure that you're rewarding the right behaviour.

Also, be precise in what you're targetting. You could have the goal of "get people betting" and so reward people based on the number of bets they make. But they you get an army of bots all betting 0 BTC over and over, and so a more precise goal would be "increase betting volume".

[BBmmBB]

Yeah, its rly hard to reward people for being on site , for chating and all that, and not make some other people abuse it. There is no perfect system sadly .

The trick is to reward the behaviours that you actually want.

You think you want people chatting, because that makes the site look busy and attracts players, but what you really want is for people to bet.

If you reward people for chatting, they'll find a way of automating it, so you achieve your intermediate goal: "get people chatting", but not the real goal: "get people betting".

You need the incentive to target "get people betting". So you base your level system on the amount they wagered, not the amount they chatted, and "pay" them when they reach various goals. Maybe they get a PD mug, T-shirt, read access to the VIP room, write access to the VIP room, etc. as they climb the levels. Maybe they get a slightly lower house edge depending on their level, whatever. You just need to make sure that you're rewarding the right behaviour.

Also, be precise in what you're targetting. You could have the goal of "get people betting" and so reward people based on the number of bets they make. But they you get an army of bots all betting 0 BTC over and over, and so a more precise goal would be "increase betting volume".

imagine chatting is freedom of speech >

[MICRO]

Yeah, its rly hard to reward people for being on site , for chating and all that, and not make some other people abuse it. There is no perfect system sadly .

The trick is to reward the behaviours that you actually want.

You think you want people chatting, because that makes the site look busy and attracts players, but what you really want is for people to bet.

If you reward people for chatting, they'll find a way of automating it, so you achieve your intermediate goal: "get people chatting", but not the real goal: "get people betting".

You need the incentive to target "get people betting". So you base your level system on the amount they wagered, not the amount they chatted, and "pay" them when they reach various goals. Maybe they get a PD mug, T-shirt, read access to the VIP room, write access to the VIP room, etc. as they climb the levels. Maybe they get a slightly lower house edge depending on their level, whatever. You just need to make sure that you're rewarding the right behaviour.

Also, be precise in what you're targetting. You could have the goal of "get people betting" and so reward people based on the number of bets they make. But they you get an army of bots all betting 0 BTC over and over, and so a more precise goal would be "increase betting volume".

Hehe... How do u find time to post , posts like this . Just amazing .

Btw , i did made pd teacups but will just give them away to people here locally,  coz i don't rly want to ask people for theirs home addresses just go give them a teacup .

[steveds]

i am very upset at the changes in the faucet

[Stunna]

Yeah, its rly hard to reward people for being on site , for chating and all that, and not make some other people abuse it. There is no perfect system sadly .

The trick is to reward the behaviours that you actually want.

You think you want people chatting, because that makes the site look busy and attracts players, but what you really want is for people to bet.

If you reward people for chatting, they'll find a way of automating it, so you achieve your intermediate goal: "get people chatting", but not the real goal: "get people betting".

You need the incentive to target "get people betting". So you base your level system on the amount they wagered, not the amount they chatted, and "pay" them when they reach various goals. Maybe they get a PD mug, T-shirt, read access to the VIP room, write access to the VIP room, etc. as they climb the levels. Maybe they get a slightly lower house edge depending on their level, whatever. You just need to make sure that you're rewarding the right behaviour.

Also, be precise in what you're targetting. You could have the goal of "get people betting" and so reward people based on the number of bets they make. But they you get an army of bots all betting 0 BTC over and over, and so a more precise goal would be "increase betting volume".

Very true, it's difficult to apply monetary incentives to anything without massive abuse popping up especially in an anonymous setting. Right now users can only level up by wagering and it wouldn't be worth anyone abusing purely for the faucet.

At the end of the day I think it's extremely difficult to provide any sort of suitable reward for veterans/highrollers in an automated manner so we'll have to get more creative.

[dooglus]

Very true, it's difficult to apply monetary incentives to anything without massive abuse popping up especially in an anonymous setting. Right now users can only level up by wagering and it wouldn't be worth anyone abusing purely for the faucet.

At the end of the day I think it's extremely difficult to provide any sort of suitable reward for veterans/highrollers in an automated manner so we'll have to get more creative.

The problem is that as soon as you offer any kind of +EV incentive it is going to get abused. Like the faucet. Like having chat increase your level.

I figure the only thing that really works is making things a little less -EV (ie. from -1% to -0.9%, say) as a reward. So it's better than no reward at all, and encourages betting, but isn't abusable.

(And now I'm imagining a high-roller "renting out" his account to people who want a lower house edge... I guess everything's capable of being abused in the right hands...)

[Seketsuna]

imagine chatting is freedom of speech >

imagine yourself in jail >

[BBmmBB]

imagine chatting is freedom of speech >

imagine yourself in jail >

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M5W_3T2Ye4


^when the bitcoin revolution comes ..  

[Gws24]

lol, new scammy dice site launched and when you look at it it screams rip-off from primedice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834371.0

Also, bet id's smaller then a 1000 and already bets larger then 3000 btc being made. I say STAY AWAY!

EDIT: Seems those are play money bets from reading the thread but still..... a NO GO

[Seketsuna]

lol, new scammy dice site launched and when you look at it it screams rip-off from primedice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834371.0

Also, bet id's smaller then a 1000 and already bets larger then 1000 btc. MAX on HR currently is bets of 3500 btc. I say STAY AWAY!

of course its a scam the admin is running a HYIP program. He released a site without even checking it/testing it

[alabamafan1]

lol, new scammy dice site launched and when you look at it it screams rip-off from primedice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=834371.0

Also, bet id's smaller then a 1000 and already bets larger then 3000 btc being made. I say STAY AWAY!

EDIT: Seems those are play money bets from reading the thread but still..... a NO GO

They were test bets. He gave multiple users 1000+ BTC balances that didn't exist. It was a joke/promo.

[Cyrax89721]

It's taunting me, I swear...

[Gws24]

@alabamafan1: See the EDIT you also quoted  

It still has al the signs of a scam besides just ripping off the design from primedice. The operator also running a HYIP ponzi makes things even worse.

@Cyyy  I hate it when that happens! If I lose then I prefer it to be by a big margin 

[Omikifuse]

What are the changes on the faucet?


(won't hunt it in 550 pages and there is nothing on OP)

I guess no more happy hours?

[SirLolicon]

Been using Primedice for quite a while now..
Great site as usual, also great support!

Good luck!

[Serlite]

What are the changes on the faucet?


(won't hunt it in 550 pages and there is nothing on OP)

I guess no more happy hours?

Effectively, chat messages no longer provide EXP for faucet growth, and any previous increase from chat has been retroactively removed. It hits some of the veteran players in chat quite a bit, since they've racked up a rather large number of chat messages over the months...

[taiwww]

What are the changes on the faucet?


(won't hunt it in 550 pages and there is nothing on OP)

I guess no more happy hours?

Effectively, chat messages no longer provide EXP for faucet growth, and any previous increase from chat has been retroactively removed. It hits some of the veteran players in chat quite a bit, since they've racked up a rather large number of chat messages over the months...

Hmmm. So how much we got increased faucet from chat now gone?
I get it why my account decreased 25% amout of faucet.
Little dissapointed. But it doesn't matter. Becoz now i never chatting again.

And that was nice idea to minimize useless messege on chat session

[taiwww]

Chat will no longer provide experience, any prior messages will be rolled back as well in terms of experience.

great news! the only thing left that encourages spamming now is that rainbot thing. should be a lot better now.

Yup, But many users with more than 20 levels are sad to loose half of their faucet.

Of course not. Anyone with level 20 or higher doesn't care about the amount of the faucet.

I'm sorry but im level 25 and still care of my faucet. Becoz im poor as shit