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August 11, 2019, 11:41:08 AM
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In the mean time some facts about our duck missprognosis

Profile 1 (mosprognoz): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1094569
Profile 2 (blurryeyed): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996
Profile 3 (gorbal): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1165766
Profile 4 (nutildah): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618 - Bought this account just for his FUD campaign and you can find it is on sale here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.0

There are more... Look at all the profiles trust feedback. You can clearly see all those 4 accounts are run by the same person just to run FUD campaigns against products to get money!

A little history: here is what another project wrote about mosprognoz:

Scammer. Multi Account: kruglikov, mosprognoz, atenolol, gorbal. Wanted to create a scam coin, when we rejected, they sent bad feed back. here is what he/she wanted: You gonna do the fork and we will split the premine 10% 50/50. It is a wonderful possibility to make couple of million dollars in 1 week. I want to do something similar to litecoin cash, where the dudes dumped premine for 5 dollars within the first 3 days and milked 3 000 000 dollars out of that. That might look as a scam but WHO CARES. If you are interested open the telegram account and lets start making EASY MONEY.

These are the projects mosprognoz is trying to harm with his partners in crime:

Payeercoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173364.msg52108283#msg52108283

Deeponion
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057229.msg51958593#msg51958593

bleuhill mining (watch how conviently use Nutildah is also active there! does anyone else see a patern?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148594.msg51958707#msg51958707

Humanityone.io
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138153.msg51252141#msg51252141

minexpay.com / Minexcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.msg50876390#msg50876390

Yobit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4327871.msg50681950#msg50681950

coudbet
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106313.msg49822964#msg49822964

Yanubuks
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111575.msg49816655#msg49816655

Regalcoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2093710.msg39373462#msg39373462

worldcore
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2236259.msg39204775#msg39204775

Simplex
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3765927.msg37116748#msg37116748

firelotto
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2579275.msg32444599#msg32444599

Robert Matuk
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2579275.msg32327917#msg32327917

lendconnect
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2519448.msg31328241#msg31328241

Monetha
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1978067.msg30645158#msg30645158

BEAT
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2851951.msg29996372#msg29996372

Phoneum
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2635236.msg28691167#msg28691167

ETHconnect
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2301946.msg28428273#msg28428273

etc etc etc

Their method is always the same. they ask for money from the project or some other shady thing like the fork and if a project refuses the scam accusations start.

This user has no shame and operates from multiple accounts to harm projects and ask them for money!

What happened:

Most importantly, we came here to stop him from harming our project Bankera.

We support our investment the same as you would support yours! If we see someone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1094569) spamming our project with 0 proof and only proof that he or she is operating through multiple accounts and asked money from the founders to be a paid shill and they refused and started throwing scam accusations. One of his or her arguments was that the project does not have any office but in fact yesterday we received the 101 weekly revenue payout. 101 weeks and Bankera is paying us revenues just for holding BNK. It is not a scam and delivering products time after time and keeping up to their promises.
This is what we came as a community to deal with to stop the FAKE SCAM ACCUSATIONS:

The rules of the forum:
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1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]
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1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.

Here are links to users posting exactly this:

1. mosprognoz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52093485#msg52093485
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52094535#msg52094535
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52092932#msg52092932
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52091206#msg52091206
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52091371#msg52091371
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52091452#msg52091452

2. gorbal: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg52092760#msg52092760

And it appears those 2 accounts and other accounts as well are run by same person. That first one has tons of reports about him running multiple accounts.

Just something quick where you all can see updates about Bankera

https://blog.bankera.com/2019/08/09/the-101st-week-net-transactional-revenue-share-has-been-paid/
https://blog.bankera.com/2019/07/22/bankera-loans-letter-to-our-community/

And in Bankera ANN thread, you all can see our arguments and validate them yourselves! We know we are right because we have something at stake unlike him who has no stake in the project and only intends to harm it as he did other projects.

We need to stop this mentality to make money from other's suffering and through threats and

His trust rating so you can see a lot of projects also reported this behavior: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1094569

Please support the flag! Thank you in advance!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=616

Also, please oppose our projects that we invested in fake accusations flags:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=614

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=615
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August 11, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
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All i know i read a lot off good promises,nice roadmap and invested 10.000+euros in Bankera:(..80% in ICO...because roadmap was so nice,team was solid(europarliament,ex bankers,...)..and after ICO all stop for 1 year..looks like all this was just game for some group of students with zero experience what to do next,looks like they was not ready for this...looks like was no team after paid advisers gone at all.....and after they realize needs to do something because 100.000+ investors with 150.900.000 USD its huge...
I understand its takes a lot time to get good team(i think nearly from zero after ICO),i understand its not easy in this sector with rules,licenses and always any team can do some mistakes....
Its OK,but....how to be sure,they for real,even if it takes 5,10 years????Because with this amount of money i myself can play big business for 10-20years with nobody even things im not for real.......
At a moment i just lost:( ...and 90% bull***t posts not helps to understand situation at all...who with me and who against me here...

    

Don’t know if you have already seen the TV documentation featuring Bankera:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8KS-F4Z7eE&t=623s

To me it looks like some real business going on. But still we have to remember that they are a startup and nowadays it is not easy to find developers (especially in blockchain area). They recently launched the loans platform and the management confirmed that credit cards and Ibans will come back most likely by end of the year and also Bankera wallet will be released this year. So I will give them till end of this year and reevaluate the project then. As I mentioned earlier I hope by the end of the year we see ICO prices coming back.
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August 11, 2019, 11:49:37 AM
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All i know i read a lot off good promises,nice roadmap and invested 10.000+euros in Bankera:(..80% in ICO...because roadmap was so nice,team was solid(europarliament,ex bankers,...)..and after ICO all stop for 1 year..looks like all this was just game for some group of students with zero experience what to do next,looks like they was not ready for this...looks like was no team after paid advisers gone at all.....and after they realize needs to do something because 100.000+ investors with 150.900.000 USD its huge...
I understand its takes a lot time to get good team(i think nearly from zero after ICO),i understand its not easy in this sector with rules,licenses and always any team can do some mistakes....
Its OK,but....how to be sure,they for real,even if it takes 5,10 years????Because with this amount of money i myself can play big business for 10-20years with nobody even things im not for real.......
At a moment i just lost:( ...and 90% bull***t posts not helps to understand situation at all...who with me and who against me here...

    

Hi Ab, and Thanks for joining the community here, so yes things haven't gone the way everyone expecting in Crypto as almost 99% of the Cryptos are more than 90% down, but what makes me more confident being invested in Bankera than in any other shitcoin is that shitcoins only look for hype, and promising prices and XX trx/s and will be the BTC killer, ETH Killer, XRP killer and  "whatever you want" Killer, wherease Bankera makes very little noise screams very rarely and is dedicated to produce and deliver products (I agree me myself am many times upset and angry about them choosing this strategy to prioritze products over Brand Marketing), but the thing is that they have delivered... not always the quality I expect from them (Like their Exchange) but it is still operationnal and made not to compete with Binance or Kucoin but to serve the holders without depending on third part (And you can believe me if I tell you that after the bad surprise we had with the third provider of debit cards due to Visa restriction of Crypto Cards, I really believe better have maximum of services and tools inhouse)

I also have to confess they have also delivered products that were very satisfying such as the loans platform, and the IBAN when they used to workd (Hopefuly we get them back soon as all restrictions from the LCB have been taken off and Pervesk the twin company of Bankera is prepraring the IBANs)

So yes, it is a slow growth, but honestly even with this extremly bearish Market, this negativity around the product and incessent FUD, they have been able to pay 101 of Weekly revenue (They are not that much given the services are suspended, like cards, IBANs) but that means they are complying with their promises in paying, and delivering and setting up new products and services.

I have also to admit that they have always been open for talking even if their answers were not satisfying, they always are available on their chat almost 24/24 7/7 Chat.Bankera.com, I don't know much of project where you can have them that available, and they are not some "Mods" subcontracted to manage some Telegram, no, they are the company employees so they care as we acre about the token, project and community

Ho long it can take? well who knows, Comlobus did not know how long it would take him to reach india, and he reached America, and People though mankind will land in Mars by late 70s and look... people though old keyboard phones will last longer and smartphone will take too much time to take market...and look now...

Best thing I think to do is try to get the most accurate, updated, and true information about the project to take the best decisions
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August 11, 2019, 11:50:54 AM
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All i know i read a lot off good promises,nice roadmap and invested 10.000+euros in Bankera:(..80% in ICO...because roadmap was so nice,team was solid(europarliament,ex bankers,...)..and after ICO all stop for 1 year..looks like all this was just game for some group of students with zero experience what to do next,looks like they was not ready for this...looks like was no team after paid advisers gone at all.....and after they realize needs to do something because 100.000+ investors with 150.900.000 USD its huge...
I understand its takes a lot time to get good team(i think nearly from zero after ICO),i understand its not easy in this sector with rules,licenses and always any team can do some mistakes....
Its OK,but....how to be sure,they for real,even if it takes 5,10 years????Because with this amount of money i myself can play big business for 10-20years with nobody even things im not for real.......
At a moment i just lost:( ...and 90% bull***t posts not helps to understand situation at all...who with me and who against me here...

    

Why don’t you join us at chat.bankera.com and we answer all your questions
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August 11, 2019, 11:55:21 AM
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  I read everything what was written about this project,but....still no answer:))))
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August 11, 2019, 11:56:57 AM
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 I read everything what was written about this project,but....still no answer:))))

Could you please specify your question?
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August 11, 2019, 11:58:11 AM
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Im on bankera chat every day..watching and reading Wink
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August 11, 2019, 11:59:03 AM
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Im on bankera chat every day..watching and reading Wink

Awesome ! But what question is unanswered?
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August 11, 2019, 12:00:55 PM
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 I read everything what was written about this project,but....still no answer:))))

Yes you also have to admit that some questions won't have answers as even Bankera and CEO do not know about the answers, it is like how a poduct will take to be developped, it depends a lot of you devs, the complexity of the project, and the environment, for example you can spend months in building a project and then the regulation changes, and a lot of work has to be undone and redone in another way, all of this makes a planning just indicative, take it like building or revamping a house, first you go visit, and see and estimate cost and time of works, and then months after your constructor tells you the whole old electrical installation is not complying the regulation, well sad, but you have to spend more and delay your project to make something you have not expected, that is what we call in Management the "Unknown Unknown" and you never can predict impact of this, just make some contingency and mostly it's never enough

But for the rest of the questions that you have answered or found an answer ... well better asking them in Chat.Bankera.com where may be you could find rapid answer or the answer is "we cannot tell that", or "it is in the plan" that can be answers that are not what you want to hear but you know at least they have your question in mind
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August 11, 2019, 12:04:38 PM
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All i know i read a lot off good promises,nice roadmap and invested 10.000+euros in Bankera:(..80% in ICO...because roadmap was so nice,team was solid(europarliament,ex bankers,...)..and after ICO all stop for 1 year..looks like all this was just game for some group of students with zero experience what to do next,looks like they was not ready for this...looks like was no team after paid advisers gone at all.....and after they realize needs to do something because 100.000+ investors with 150.900.000 USD its huge...
I understand its takes a lot time to get good team(i think nearly from zero after ICO),i understand its not easy in this sector with rules,licenses and always any team can do some mistakes....
Its OK,but....how to be sure,they for real,even if it takes 5,10 years????Because with this amount of money i myself can play big business for 10-20years with nobody even things im not for real.......
At a moment i just lost:( ...and 90% bull***t posts not helps to understand situation at all...who with me and who against me here...

You express the questions hanging over Bankera clearly, and I agree with much of what you say.
I too invested with the same hopes as you and have been similarly disappointed with the pace of the project.
We investors face a stark choice, to sell now at a substantial loss or hodl and wait for the returns to improve in future. It's not a great position to be in, but it's one we share with so many people who invested in speculative projects at the height of the ICO boom.
I've made my decision to hodl, and the absurd accusations, threats and general bullying from mosprognoz, gorbal (my spell checker insists on calling him gerbil) which have turned this thread into a cesspit lately have only strengthened my resolve. Never give in to bullies. And I hope you decide to stay with us too. It's been a long, dark night for BNK and Weekly Revenue, but things are always darkest just before dawn.
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August 11, 2019, 12:08:09 PM
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All i know i read a lot off good promises,nice roadmap and invested 10.000+euros in Bankera:(..80% in ICO...because roadmap was so nice,team was solid(europarliament,ex bankers,...)..and after ICO all stop for 1 year..looks like all this was just game for some group of students with zero experience what to do next,looks like they was not ready for this...looks like was no team after paid advisers gone at all.....and after they realize needs to do something because 100.000+ investors with 150.900.000 USD its huge...
I understand its takes a lot time to get good team(i think nearly from zero after ICO),i understand its not easy in this sector with rules,licenses and always any team can do some mistakes....
Its OK,but....how to be sure,they for real,even if it takes 5,10 years????Because with this amount of money i myself can play big business for 10-20years with nobody even things im not for real.......
At a moment i just lost:( ...and 90% bull***t posts not helps to understand situation at all...who with me and who against me here...

You express the questions hanging over Bankera clearly, and I agree with much of what you say.
I too invested with the same hopes as you and have been similarly disappointed with the pace of the project.
We investors face a stark choice, to sell now at a substantial loss or hodl and wait for the returns to improve in future. It's not a great position to be in, but it's one we share with so many people who invested in speculative projects at the height of the ICO boom.
I've made my decision to hodl, and the absurd accusations, threats and general bullying from mosprognoz, gorbal (my spell checker insists on calling him gerbil) which have turned this thread into a cesspit lately have only strengthened my resolve. Never give in to bullies. And I hope you decide to stay with us too. It's been a long, dark night for BNK and Weekly Revenue, but things are always darkest just before dawn.

Could not say it better, Excellent !
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August 11, 2019, 12:18:11 PM
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huup:..just about future,trust,..real/not real..scam/not scam??Are they work hard/or just...?..yes,team work,we see some products,but...
just hard to trust when a lot questions not answered...small(big?) things like many workers works(for sure,real digits?? 35? 89?or 125??or???ICO money why so many different digits(some users post 100,some always think 120,but we know its 150.9ml??or im wrong?)about audits?yes was,but who,when?and another many and many business secrets,no answers and on,and on....this whats i really not like about this project....its not that simple..just cant answer because competitors,because business secrets...sometimes yes,but a lot times was just no answers for no reason at all....and here you start to think..
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August 11, 2019, 12:24:50 PM
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huup:..just about future,trust,..real/not real..scam/not scam??Are they work hard/or just...?..yes,team work,we see some products,but...
just hard to trust when a lot questions not answered...small(big?) things like many workers works(for sure,real digits?? 35? 89?or 125??or???ICO money why so many different digits(some users post 100,some always think 120,but we know its 150.9ml??or im wrong?)about audits?yes was,but who,when?and another many and many business secrets,no answers and on,and on....this whats i really not like about this project....its not that simple..just cant answer because competitors,because business secrets...sometimes yes,but a lot times was just no answers for no reason at all....and here you start to think..

Mate I’m going to be dead honest to you. I’m having the same questions. Aren’t they deliberately stalling the project and in the meanwhile creaming of our 100 million invested. But we the launch of the exchange I started turning and now with the launch of the loans and having seen the wallets I don’t believe that anymore.
I truly believe the coming months will be a turning point for us all. I have kept dollar averaging all the time. And just recently I did another big buy. I cannot give you a 100% guarantee I’m sorry. I can only tell what I think is happening and support that with telling you I bought more.
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August 11, 2019, 12:27:41 PM
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Do we get such information (number of employees, audits, etc.) from other projects or is Bankera the only exception? I think their transparency is average for the crypto industry.
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August 11, 2019, 12:31:04 PM
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huup:..just about future,trust,..real/not real..scam/not scam??Are they work hard/or just...?..yes,team work,we see some products,but...
just hard to trust when a lot questions not answered...small(big?) things like many workers works(for sure,real digits?? 35? 89?or 125??or???ICO money why so many different digits(some users post 100,some always think 120,but we know its 150.9ml??or im wrong?)about audits?yes was,but who,when?and another many and many business secrets,no answers and on,and on....this whats i really not like about this project....its not that simple..just cant answer because competitors,because business secrets...sometimes yes,but a lot times was just no answers for no reason at all....and here you start to think..

I can tell you what information we had from  I think it was Mantas who is the CCEO of Bankera about the employees numbers:

Lithuania 102 Employees
Estonia 02 Employees

I think it is impossible to give the exact number as this would require names and first names, and this is not legal to show names of your employees

Than the question of the total of raised money, I think it is hard to get an answer to that, or at least an exact answer, the numbers are fluctuating between 120-150 M€ and I think a big issue is because sometines numbers are given in$ and other times in €, and sometimes people put the value of crypto they raised as per the price at the end of ICO and others put the value at the day of the article, that is why there is a lot of difference, I sincerly don't think they will provide to public that number.

About the Audit, as we all have been showing and we have been checking they are under European regulation and they are subject to financial audits, internal and to institutions, now do they have any interest in sharing their financial schems? I also doubt, if you are new startup and you build your financial engineering schems to lower costs and pay less taxes, or use multi companies to be efficient, you don't want that know how to be released to public and especially to some people with much more money than you and who could copy your schems and kick you out of the business.

Hear me, I would love to know a lot of data, and been asking and harrasising Admins and CEO/CCEO to get some data about volumes in SC or any other valuable information, and they kept that unshared

What I can say is that I see them going further every month and I see they choose their strategy and stick to it, and hopefully this will be a good train

At the end remember it is a Startup with very high risk and very high reward that is a thing we knew when we got in, and the infiormation is only theirs this is also a point I knew when I got in as it was in the T&C
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August 11, 2019, 12:31:26 PM
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huup:..just about future,trust,..real/not real..scam/not scam??Are they work hard/or just...?..yes,team work,we see some products,but...
just hard to trust when a lot questions not answered...small(big?) things like many workers works(for sure,real digits?? 35? 89?or 125??or???ICO money why so many different digits(some users post 100,some always think 120,but we know its 150.9ml??or im wrong?)about audits?yes was,but who,when?and another many and many business secrets,no answers and on,and on....this whats i really not like about this project....its not that simple..just cant answer because competitors,because business secrets...sometimes yes,but a lot times was just no answers for no reason at all....and here you start to think..

Mate I’m going to be dead honest to you. I’m having the same questions. Aren’t they deliberately stalling the project and in the meanwhile creaming of our 100 million invested. But we the launch of the exchange I started turning and now with the launch of the loans and having seen the wallets I don’t believe that anymore.
I truly believe the coming months will be a turning point for us all. I have kept dollar averaging all the time. And just recently I did another big buy. I cannot give you a 100% guarantee I’m sorry. I can only tell what I think is happening and support that with telling you I bought more.

Well said Huup. I think we all have those questions and worries and can never be 100% sure. I look at it in the same way. I also look at it like if they really were fake or scam or whatever, what are they waiting for? Why still working on products? It doesn't make sense to ME and I talk only on behalf of myself. I think they had many chances to disappear but they chose to stay and deliver so I believe all is real
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August 11, 2019, 01:19:23 PM
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I understand cryptos are less regulated,its not a same like in normal world Grin...but still company's should do all to give all info accurate as possible,just because less regulations....more not clear answers=no new customers,more scam scam thinkers,company should think about this?about future?.......we all know about how risky all cryptos,but company must understand,all simple,normal questions must be answered and if this happens nobody will scream about scams anymore..
if its simple why i still not see clear answer about final money collected/invested????I know digits just because i see final digits on last seconds of ICO,but 80% readers here maybe dont know this at all???...and here you see digits 100-151ml...some difference???...its only one question,but here a lot more MUST ANSWER questions(yes was some Q and A on videos,but after you have only more questions).
Simple Bankera must do simple Q and A from beginning,from ICO times,until now,answer clearly(i dont need secrets about business)simple,normal questions even if they dont need to do this by regulations..
I think its only one way to increase revenue,attract new customers, stop spammers.....maybe im wrong and not everything that easy....
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August 11, 2019, 01:45:44 PM
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I understand cryptos are less regulated,its not a same like in normal world Grin...but still company's should do all to give all info accurate as possible,just because less regulations....more not clear answers=no new customers,more scam scam thinkers,company should think about this?about future?.......we all know about how risky all cryptos,but company must understand,all simple,normal questions must be answered and if this happens nobody will scream about scams anymore..
if its simple why i still not see clear answer about final money collected/invested????I know digits just because i see final digits on last seconds of ICO,but 80% readers here maybe dont know this at all???...and here you see digits 100-151ml...some difference???...its only one question,but here a lot more MUST ANSWER questions(yes was some Q and A on videos,but after you have only more questions).
Simple Bankera must do simple Q and A from beginning,from ICO times,until now,answer clearly(i dont need secrets about business)simple,normal questions even if they dont need to do this by regulations..
I think its only one way to increase revenue,attract new customers, stop spammers.....maybe im wrong and not everything that easy....

You make some good points, but I can’t agree with you the scam accusations would vanish with more questions answered. People would always found grounds to make more accusations or create FUD around the answers.
In fact bankera used to answer much more questions and the founders were online almost weekly. It’s only untill their answers were FUDDED unfair they closed up and started sharing less and less info.
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August 11, 2019, 02:15:35 PM
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I understand cryptos are less regulated,its not a same like in normal world Grin...but still company's should do all to give all info accurate as possible,just because less regulations....more not clear answers=no new customers,more scam scam thinkers,company should think about this?about future?.......we all know about how risky all cryptos,but company must understand,all simple,normal questions must be answered and if this happens nobody will scream about scams anymore..
if its simple why i still not see clear answer about final money collected/invested????I know digits just because i see final digits on last seconds of ICO,but 80% readers here maybe dont know this at all???...and here you see digits 100-151ml...some difference???...its only one question,but here a lot more MUST ANSWER questions(yes was some Q and A on videos,but after you have only more questions).
Simple Bankera must do simple Q and A from beginning,from ICO times,until now,answer clearly(i dont need secrets about business)simple,normal questions even if they dont need to do this by regulations..
I think its only one way to increase revenue,attract new customers, stop spammers.....maybe im wrong and not everything that easy....

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August 11, 2019, 02:23:23 PM
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Two active red flags. Finaly this scammers get what they really deserved. Familiarize yourself with trust system before adding a flag to someones account you fucking idiots.
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