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Yes a good read , also the 12.500.000 tokens the founders had in their account where all moved to exchanges .. For me as someone that Paid for investment that's a huge breach of trust they shouldn't have been allowed to move those tokens at all and they ruined the market by dumping. Those tokens should have been in a trust or something its fine that they would get the benifits but they should not have been allowed to sell them thats a huge insentive for them to work hard to make the tokens valuable gone now they are paid employee's and stock holders in the company instead of beeing in it with their investors that bought the tokens. They say they wanted to Burn the tokens but they where talking about the 5.000.000 not the rest .. But the Biggest issue to me is that they just Dumped all the Founders tokens into the market and then even scare the market some more by saying they would need to add additional coins to cover running costs and then say a founder financed it with their own funds .. Own funds my ass i dont buy for one second that that money didnt came from those Tokens they dumped
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke -- May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.George Carlin We pay for life with death , so everything in between should be free. Bill Hicks -- It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light. Aristotle Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. Buddha -- The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Socrates
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promotionuser
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May 19, 2018, 05:00:05 PM |
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Is it because it’s hard to get these contracts in or is it because he actually didn’t bother?
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Thadeous
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May 19, 2018, 05:53:30 PM Last edit: May 19, 2018, 06:52:00 PM by Thadeous |
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Yes a good read , also the 12.500.000 tokens the founders had in their account where all moved to exchanges .. For me as someone that Paid for investment that's a huge breach of trust they shouldn't have been allowed to move those tokens at all and they ruined the market by dumping. Those tokens should have been in a trust or something its fine that they would get the benifits but they should not have been allowed to sell them thats a huge insentive for them to work hard to make the tokens valuable gone now they are paid employee's and stock holders in the company instead of beeing in it with their investors that bought the tokens. They say they wanted to Burn the tokens but they where talking about the 5.000.000 not the rest .. But the Biggest issue to me is that they just Dumped all the Founders tokens into the market and then even scare the market some more by saying they would need to add additional coins to cover running costs and then say a founder financed it with their own funds .. Own funds my ass i dont buy for one second that that money didnt came from those Tokens they dumped Thanks for the feedback. Here is Envion Founders Wallet: 0x709BA466946B4E550211a128e64865c2dF250692that contained 12,673,008 EVNPlease follow all Founders Wallet Token Transfers and show where they "were all moved to exchanges"? Here is my small research: 2,407,872 EVN - are still here https://etherscan.io/address/0x3e2276395ef7b5be938b4c38944193d7f2a1016b5,813,106 EVN - are still here https://etherscan.io/address/0x86aae784bed78d9ad096efc52f007b176fc4b7fc4,452,030 EVN - were distributed in 16 transactions among Founders (as I realize) from the wallet above, part of which were transferred to exchanges like HitBTC, IDEX and Etherdelta. As we can see from those two wallets Founders still HODL at least 70% of their tokens.
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mehar_gee
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May 19, 2018, 08:03:20 PM |
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so that happens with envion that's why the team is delaying everthing but not telling the truth to its commuinty but now we know this It now appears the beleaguered CEO stalled envion’s founders from taking legal action for several months with a disingenuous mediation process to prepare a disinformation campaign As a distraction from legal action taken last week against Mr. Woestmann and post-hoc justification for his actions, he has begun a slanderous media campaign alleging some 40 million digital tokens were generated illegally.
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hunsook
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May 19, 2018, 11:22:31 PM |
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Ths whole situation is like watching reality television. I have never in my life seen a company just come out and expose their dirty laundry to the world. It is good for all of us though to have the chance to see some of the things that normally go on behind closed doors. That part is commendable IMHO.
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May 19, 2018, 11:22:46 PM |
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I would also add that I have been very lazy and have not taken the time to actually track these claims down but I should. Right now all that I know is what has been fed to me on the channel.
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eduardocastellano
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May 19, 2018, 11:23:31 PM |
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What you can do is help each other. I'm really worried about the token swap thing. I thought it was a rumor a few weeks ago. Now it's real and it's worse than I thought because it looks legit coming from Woestmann.
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Scor Pio
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May 20, 2018, 12:13:01 AM |
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what happend with envion,, there are a massive dump in the price since 17 may ? anyone can explained me about this
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eance
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May 20, 2018, 12:32:18 AM |
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At this point we need more information, there is two sides accusing each other of fraud, collusion, incompetence, scam schemes to deceive investors. I guess we need to wait the dust to settle. Any ways this is bad for Envion.
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May 20, 2018, 05:53:32 AM |
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Up until this point Envion was only late, it was not a crime and not enough time had expired for the token owner to force Envion to build the MMU. Any collective action can be used as a reason for further delay, we have to wait for the case of the founders.
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artdor
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May 20, 2018, 06:10:04 AM |
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Tell me please, are there approximate dates when the bounties will be paid?
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sluppy
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May 20, 2018, 06:46:48 AM |
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Yes a good read , also the 12.500.000 tokens the founders had in their account where all moved to exchanges .. For me as someone that Paid for investment that's a huge breach of trust they shouldn't have been allowed to move those tokens at all and they ruined the market by dumping. Those tokens should have been in a trust or something its fine that they would get the benifits but they should not have been allowed to sell them thats a huge insentive for them to work hard to make the tokens valuable gone now they are paid employee's and stock holders in the company instead of beeing in it with their investors that bought the tokens. They say they wanted to Burn the tokens but they where talking about the 5.000.000 not the rest .. But the Biggest issue to me is that they just Dumped all the Founders tokens into the market and then even scare the market some more by saying they would need to add additional coins to cover running costs and then say a founder financed it with their own funds .. Own funds my ass i dont buy for one second that that money didnt came from those Tokens they dumped Thanks for the feedback. Here is Envion Founders Wallet: 0x709BA466946B4E550211a128e64865c2dF250692that contained 12,673,008 EVNPlease follow all Founders Wallet Token Transfers and show where they "were all moved to exchanges"? Here is my small research: 2,407,872 EVN - are still here https://etherscan.io/address/0x3e2276395ef7b5be938b4c38944193d7f2a1016b5,813,106 EVN - are still here https://etherscan.io/address/0x86aae784bed78d9ad096efc52f007b176fc4b7fc4,452,030 EVN - were distributed in 16 transactions among Founders (as I realize) from the wallet above, part of which were transferred to exchanges like HitBTC, IDEX and Etherdelta. As we can see from those two wallets Founders still HODL at least 70% of their tokens. Your right I only followed some of it and assumed the worst apperantly they still have 70% but then I would like to know How they where able to move and sell some at all since their tokens where supposedly on a 6 month lockdown. Someone posted a old post from Laurent confirming that on telegram.
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke -- May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.George Carlin We pay for life with death , so everything in between should be free. Bill Hicks -- It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light. Aristotle Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. Buddha -- The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. Socrates
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May 20, 2018, 06:56:03 AM |
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in General, you should not trust this project . They do not answer questions of their community . Not paid tokens bounty pool . An unscrupulous team that does not respect its community
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Thadeous
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May 20, 2018, 07:38:20 AM |
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Yes a good read , also the 12.500.000 tokens the founders had in their account where all moved to exchanges .. For me as someone that Paid for investment that's a huge breach of trust they shouldn't have been allowed to move those tokens at all and they ruined the market by dumping. Those tokens should have been in a trust or something its fine that they would get the benifits but they should not have been allowed to sell them thats a huge insentive for them to work hard to make the tokens valuable gone now they are paid employee's and stock holders in the company instead of beeing in it with their investors that bought the tokens. They say they wanted to Burn the tokens but they where talking about the 5.000.000 not the rest .. But the Biggest issue to me is that they just Dumped all the Founders tokens into the market and then even scare the market some more by saying they would need to add additional coins to cover running costs and then say a founder financed it with their own funds .. Own funds my ass i dont buy for one second that that money didnt came from those Tokens they dumped Thanks for the feedback. Here is Envion Founders Wallet: 0x709BA466946B4E550211a128e64865c2dF250692that contained 12,673,008 EVNPlease follow all Founders Wallet Token Transfers and show where they "were all moved to exchanges"? Here is my small research: 2,407,872 EVN - are still here https://etherscan.io/address/0x3e2276395ef7b5be938b4c38944193d7f2a1016b5,813,106 EVN - are still here https://etherscan.io/address/0x86aae784bed78d9ad096efc52f007b176fc4b7fc4,452,030 EVN - were distributed in 16 transactions among Founders (as I realize) from the wallet above, part of which were transferred to exchanges like HitBTC, IDEX and Etherdelta. As we can see from those two wallets Founders still HODL at least 70% of their tokens. Your right I only followed some of it and assumed the worst apperantly they still have 70% but then I would like to know How they where able to move and sell some at all since their tokens where supposedly on a 6 month lockdown. Someone posted a old post from Laurent confirming that on telegram. Hmm, interesting. I thought that only Bounty and credit card purchased tokens are locked for 6 months...
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May 20, 2018, 08:33:03 AM |
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It does not look good for investors and bounty people. the team is very calm. that is not a good sign. but it is not too late yet. we will see it the next few weeks so if the project is a success or scam
now we know what's going on. and why there are no bounty tokens. after the ico it was too quiet. that's never a good sign. people write that the team works hard. but that's not true. the team is just bad.
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May 20, 2018, 09:03:16 AM |
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I spend the very big amount of time to bounty of this project. And some people put also a very big amount of money in it.
And at the end, it seems i lost time and people lost money.
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dr.cheema
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May 20, 2018, 09:42:07 AM |
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Tell me please, are there approximate dates when the bounties will be paid?
There is no approximate time/dates for bounty and bounty manager haven't response to bounty hunters yet! As you know that Envion team currently facing some problems about project. Let's hope after solve issue they will be think about bounty hunters. Even i am thinking that should i buy some EVN at very low price? Right now envion is underneath.
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May 20, 2018, 09:55:12 AM |
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This project is under very critical situation the fight between the team is ruining the reputation of this project and making feel so bad. I am still holding my tokens with the hope of recovery which will happen soon once they will find a good solution for all issues.
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May 20, 2018, 09:56:29 AM |
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When there is uncertainty and confusion better sit back a while and wait for hints or indicators to appear to define your next move. I also have bought from HitBTC and don't know the status of tokens due to confusion they created. I juts ignore interacting but have eye son changing situation to remain update for my move as well. I don't sell this cheap in messy situation.
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