[OLD] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 #

[Luke-Jr]

That doesn't support anything but proxy, and is in fact the exact code my merged-mine-manager is based on.

1. ask proxy for actual aux using getaux method
2. use this aux in getworkaux(aux) for asking directly bitcoind for new work (no mm call here)
3. filter out shares with lower difficulty than min(bitcoin difficulty, namecoin difficulty), send the rest to proxy. It still make almost no load to proxy
4. If your pool detect that namecoin or proxy crashed, use latest aux for all getwork requests, so you don't need proxy.
5. If you receive share during proxy outage, call getworkaux('submit', <datastring>) directly to bitcoind to submit a block
6. Profit! (And without any custom code)

Not the same thing. It still requires the messy bitcoind patches, and you need to integrate it with your pool software. :p

[slush]

Not the same thing.

I didn't tell it is the same, of course. My way is officially supported by namecoin developers :-P.

It still requires the messy bitcoind patches, and you need to integrate it with your pool software. :p

Looks like everybody prefers another solution. It's nice thing on bitcoin than everybody can do whatever he wants .

[ajareselde]

Can someone correct me if im wrong, im kinda new to this.

i pointed my miners from gui miner to mining.eligius.st  using 8337 port, username is my bitcoin wallet from my btc client and pass box is blank.

i guess i figured that i have to w8 to get auto paid to my wallet using btc, but what about nmc i earn, where can i view them and how do i payout them ?

[Luke-Jr]

i guess i figured that i have to w8 to get auto paid to my wallet using btc, but what about nmc i earn, where can i view them and how do i payout them ?

You can see Bitcoin info at http://eligius.st/~artefact2/5/YourAddressGoesHere

Namecoin is, as previously said, going to the pool's wallet and will be distributed in a yet-to-be-decided way, and your input on specifically HOW to distribute it is welcome.

[ajareselde]

Namecoin is, as previously said, going to the pool's wallet and will be distributed in a yet-to-be-decided way, and your input on specifically HOW to distribute it is welcome.

From the timestamp of merged mining start, all btc pool earned divided by personal btc earned to get % of nmc each user should get.

Basicly , any option is better than merged mining without getting nmc,s. 

[Luke-Jr]

Namecoin is, as previously said, going to the pool's wallet and will be distributed in a yet-to-be-decided way, and your input on specifically HOW to distribute it is welcome.

From the timestamp of merged mining start, all btc pool earned divided by personal btc earned to get % of nmc each user should get.

Basicly , any option is better than merged mining without getting nmc,s. 

Perhaps, but many users don't care about nor want NMC... what then?

Maybe until I get a better system in place, I can do a daily or weekly distribution to interested users based on their contributions... need a way for users to express interest and prove they contributed tho.

[Tmoney]

How about a BTC address.NMC address as user id.  If a NMC address is not provided then more for you or split between those who do care for them.

[Luke-Jr]

How about a BTC address.NMC address as user id.  If a NMC address is not provided then more for you or split between those who do care for them.

Many miners can't send usernames that long. If you export your Bitcoin key and import it to Namecoin, that works reasonably.

[Tmoney]

How about a BTC address.NMC address as user id.  If a NMC address is not provided then more for you or split between those who do care for them.

Many miners can't send usernames that long. If you export your Bitcoin key and import it to Namecoin, that works reasonably.

Can it be expected that every single user will do this?  If no will coins go to waste using this method?  How about a NMC Address in the password field?

[Luke-Jr]

How about a BTC address.NMC address as user id.  If a NMC address is not provided then more for you or split between those who do care for them.

Many miners can't send usernames that long. If you export your Bitcoin key and import it to Namecoin, that works reasonably.

Can it be expected that every single user will do this?  If no will coins go to waste using this method?  How about a NMC Address in the password field?

Half the "problem" is that some people simply don't care for Namecoins. So I want to avoid wasting them if possible. Username and password are the same exact field in HTTP auth.

[Tmoney]

Half the "problem" is that some people simply don't care for Namecoins. So I want to avoid wasting them if possible. Username and password are the same exact field in HTTP auth.
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Got it, thanks.  So is it going to be easier to have someone use a miner that supports sending an extremely long HTTP auth field or exporting and importing keys if they really want namecoins?

[Luke-Jr]

Got it, thanks.  So is it going to be easier to have someone use a miner that supports sending an extremely long HTTP auth field or exporting and importing keys if they really want namecoins?

Possibly one or the other, but not likely both...

Possibilities I see:

• Send to the Bitcoin key on the Namecoin network (ie, key export/import) on demand
• Require miner that can send a long username
• Provide a web interface for account options (including Namecoin rewards and changing minimum payout)

I like the lattemost the best

[Tmoney]

Possibilities I see:

• Send to the Bitcoin key on the Namecoin network (ie, key export/import) on demand
• Require miner that can send a long username
• Provide a web interface for account options (including Namecoin rewards and changing minimum payout)

I like the lattemost the best
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I would still like to see option two.  It keeps in tradition with having minimal interfacing with the website.  Just point your miners and mine, no accounts, log-ins, etc...

[Luke-Jr]

I would still like to see option two.  It keeps in tradition with having minimal interfacing with the website.  Just point your miners and mine, no accounts, log-ins, etc...

True... Maybe usernames can be "BTC+NMC" or "BTC+" (to use the same key; export/import). But either way, we need another solution for the already mined NMC.

[Tmoney]

Ok, how about BTC+NMC address receives NMC payment for work submitted with original BTC address linked to new BTC+NMC address during establishment of merged mining.  Make a cut of date to stop back payments and you would keep the rest or whatever plan you have for them.  Not everyone is going to want namecoins.  I think a system has to be implemented rather quickly because when the next diff drops you will have more problem NMChilds to deal with.

[DeathAndTaxes]

How about just sell the namecoins for us and pay everyone per share in BTC.  No need for accounts or logins.

[Luke-Jr]

How about just sell the namecoins for us and pay everyone per share in BTC.  No need for accounts or logins.

Not everyone doesn't want NMC either

[DeathAndTaxes]

How about just sell the namecoins for us and pay everyone per share in BTC.  No need for accounts or logins.

Not everyone doesn't want NMC either

Well they could always take that extra BTC and just buy some NMC from the exchanges but I see your point.

[epg]

Possibilities I see:

• Send to the Bitcoin key on the Namecoin network (ie, key export/import) on demand
• Require miner that can send a long username
• Provide a web interface for account options (including Namecoin rewards and changing minimum payout)

I like the lattemost the best

Option 2 would keep things simple and registration-free, but if that doesn't work, Option 3 (think that's what Slush went with) is next best 

[Luke-Jr]

Based on the usual math, the share value for Namecoin comes out to be 0.00053170 NMC per share. However, since I am not expending resources longpolling for namecoin, it has a higher stale rate than Bitcoin (or maybe just because of poor luck), and we have only made 90% of the expected earnings. If we did SMPPS for Namecoin, that puts us at 0.00047853 NMC per share right now. Until the rewrite (with full Namecoin accounting) is complete, I'd have to manually calculate and process rewards and payouts of Namecoins. Therefore, whether early-merged-mining is handled as SMPPS or not may depend largely on the miners' interest in actually getting them. I have setup a poll to determine interest. If you want Namecoins (or even if it doesn't), please vote!