Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest

[picolo]

Each person that buys CLAM and invests in the just-dice bankroll doesn't not make the other investors loose money by diluting their investments because he is pushing up the price of CLAM and grow the CLAM notoriety.

[dooglus]

I thought you could find someone that went x100 and never invested/divested since Jan 26 and see how much its investment increase.

Almost everyone gets tips from the bots on the sites. It's hard to find someone who made a single 100x investment and left it untouched.

What about showing how much we stacked ?
The site shows investors how much they profited but not how much they stacked and we have to extrapolate to know how much we stacked.

I don't track staking profit separately from other profit.

Each person that buys CLAM and invests in the just-dice bankroll doesn't not make the other investors loose money by diluting their investments because he is pushing up the price of CLAM and grow the CLAM notoriety.

Your double negative makes it hard to understand what you're saying.

Each new investor does indeed dilute the profits of the existing investors.

Week by week my 1x investor's weekly profit is decreasing:

Dec 12 2014     0.00%   100.00%
Dec 15 2014     3.64%   103.64%
Dec 22 2014     5.02%   108.85%
Dec 29 2014     2.09%   111.13%
Jan  5 2015     8.16%   120.20%
Jan 12 2015     5.28%   126.55%
Jan 19 2015     3.55%   131.04%
Jan 26 2015     2.10%   133.79%
Feb  2 2015     2.10%   136.60%
Feb  9 2015     1.94%   139.24%
Feb 16 2015     1.93%   141.93%
Feb 23 2015     1.95%   144.70%
Mar  2 2015     1.81%   147.32%
Mar  9 2015     1.77%   149.93%

Mar 13 2015     1.16%   151.66%

For comparison, here's the 100x investor's profit so far:

Mar  7 2015     0.00%   100.00%
Mar  9 2015     0.64%   100.64%

Mar 13 2015     3.25%   103.91%

Obviously 1.7% per week is still great, but you can see the dilution in action there.

Site profit has been increasing steadily over time:

[dooglus]

People were talking about a promo for the upcoming 100 millionth bet on Just-Dice, so:

20:36:31 (470587) <v1rtu0so> !*** JD #100000000 milestone giveaway ***! 20 CLAM prize for any bet over 1 CLAM that lands || 5 CLAM prize for any bet under 1 CLAM (but over 0.00000069) ~ PM me if you want to add to the pot.
20:38:00 (1) <@dooglus> → (470587) <v1rtu0so> are you talking about just the 100Mth bet?
20:38:09 (470587) <v1rtu0so> → (1) <@dooglus> Yes sir
20:38:31 (470587) <v1rtu0so> → (1) <@dooglus> CBI and I decided to just start making things interesting and doing milestone prizes
20:38:52 (470587) <v1rtu0so> → (1) <@dooglus> So he backed the 5 on low I am backing the 20 on high
20:39:55 (1) <@dooglus> → (470587) <v1rtu0so> ok, how's this? I'll add 10 times the bet size to the pot, for bets up to 100 CLAM - but only if the bet is 50% or lower chance
20:40:18 (470587) <v1rtu0so> → (1) <@dooglus> Wow, that is very generous of you!
20:40:27 (1) <@dooglus> → (470587) <v1rtu0so> so if the 100Mth bet is 100 CLAM @ 49.5%, they get 1k CLAM bonus
20:40:32 (1) <@dooglus> → (470587) <v1rtu0so> if it's at 51%, they get nothing from me
20:40:38 (470587) <v1rtu0so> → (1) <@dooglus> You want to announce it?
20:40:50 (1) <@dooglus> → (470587) <v1rtu0so> no, I'm in the bath and typing's a pain
20:41:07 (470587) <v1rtu0so> → (1) <@dooglus> Okay that I announce it then?
20:41:17 (1) <@dooglus> → (470587) <v1rtu0so> of course
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20:43:56 (470587) <v1rtu0so> !**** 100M Milestone Update ****! The owners of Just-Dice have agreed to add 10 times the bet size to the pot, for bets up to 100 CLAM - but only if the bet is 50% or lower chance !!!! Get the word out and post it on the forums.

tldr: the 100 millionth bet gets 10 times its stake as a bonus, win or lose, up to 100*10 = 1000 CLAM, and only if the bet is at 50% or lower chance.

[freedomno1]

tldr: the 100 millionth bet gets 10 times its stake as a bonus, win or lose, up to 100*10 = 1000 CLAM, and only if the bet is at 50% or lower chance.

This will be interesting
May the odds be ever in your favor 

[dooglus]

tldr: the 100 millionth bet gets 10 times its stake as a bonus, win or lose, up to 100*10 = 1000 CLAM, and only if the bet is at 50% or lower chance.

This will be interesting
May the odds be ever in your favor  

Did you see the post on 'does martingale really works?' about that? Or is this an 'odd' coincidence?

[freedomno1]

tldr: the 100 millionth bet gets 10 times its stake as a bonus, win or lose, up to 100*10 = 1000 CLAM, and only if the bet is at 50% or lower chance.

This will be interesting
May the odds be ever in your favor  

Did you see the post on 'does martingale really works?' about that? Or is this an 'odd' coincidence?

It is but an 'odd' coincidence wasn't tracking all your posts recently Doog ^^.
I was quoting the Hunger Games Junk you mentioned about it being a battle for that 1 spot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s7qgNMqDJI

[theskillzdatklls]

i would have said that i got the record for being the biggest loser twice in a row (here and the billionth bet on j-d) but maybe charity won that crown this time.

https://just-dice.com/roll/100000009

gg. ty for the fun d00g.

[dooglus]

i would have said that i got the record for being the biggest loser twice in a row (here and the billionth bet on j-d) but maybe charity won that crown this time.

https://just-dice.com/roll/100000009

gg. ty for the fun d00g.

Thanks.

So I kind of messed up by forgetting to mention the "50% chance or lower" bit in the on-site ad:



So when the time came, some people were betting with high chance of winning:



And the 100 millionth bet itself was at high chance:



So I paid out both bonuses anyway:





I'm glad to see it didn't go to someone running a bot:

2015-03-16 07:31:38 bet #99999051: 0.00008192 CLAM @ 95% lo: lucky:623318 profit:0.00000344 bal:1.85307607 n:7208 crafter tot:5.62204126
2015-03-16 07:31:53 bet #99999588: 0.11581725 CLAM @ 95% hi: lucky:837247 profit:0.00487651 bal:1.85795258 n:7209 crafter tot:5.62691777
2015-03-16 07:32:08 bet #99999819: 0.23163451 CLAM @ 95% hi: lucky:934668 profit:0.00975303 bal:1.86770561 n:7210 crafter tot:5.63667080
2015-03-16 07:32:12 bet #100000000: 1.86770561 CLAM @ 95% hi: lucky:136456 profit:0.07864023 bal:1.94634584 n:7211 crafter tot:5.71531103
2015-03-16 07:32:39 chat: <crafter> I GOT IT
2015-03-16 07:33:00 chat: <crafter> YAY I WON !!!
2015-03-16 07:33:30 chat: <crafter> YAY 100M BET ! that was sooo lucky !!!!
2015-03-16 07:34:14 chat: <crafter> WOW, that is sooo crazy
2015-03-16 07:34:21 chat: <crafter> i did soo many bets .. i cant belive i hit that !!!!
2015-03-16 07:35:05 ACTION public tip sent 20 CLAM from (1) dooglus to (1053209) crafter
2015-03-16 07:35:05 chat: <crafter> YAY ! so do i win 100x my bet plus 20 clam
2015-03-16 07:36:30 chat: <crafter> 10x wooot !!!
2015-03-16 07:36:37 chat: <crafter> 18.6 clam
2015-03-16 07:36:47 chat: <crafter> do i get 20 clam bonus toooo
2015-03-16 07:37:01 ACTION public tip sent 18.6770561 CLAM from (1) dooglus to (1053209) crafter
2015-03-16 07:37:14 chat: <crafter> WOW soo many clam !
2015-03-16 07:37:20 chat: <crafter> ::
2015-03-16 07:37:44 ACTION public tip sent 1.94634584 CLAM from (1053209) crafter to (984615) 100x Dash 2458w
2015-03-16 07:41:29 chat: <crafter> dooglus, thank you so much for the 100m bet promotion, makes me happy to always come here and JD and DD in the past
2015-03-16 07:45:56 chat: <crafter> still in shock over here
2015-03-16 07:46:27 chat: <crafter> not alot ... but pretty good .. 1.8 bet ... so 18 for that .. plus 20
2015-03-16 07:46:34 chat: <crafter> 38 clam
2015-03-16 07:46:56 chat: <crafter> thank you it was like hitting a jackpot on a slot machine
2015-03-16 07:47:15 chat: <crafter> my heart started beating fast
2015-03-16 07:51:31 chat: <crafter> i wish i bet more, but it was my biggest bet of the night lol
2015-03-16 07:52:18 chat: <crafter> i hit bet 99999819 and 100m
2015-03-16 07:52:58 chat: <crafter> and i have no bot .. wasnt using keyboard .. used the mouse only !

Someone asked whether investors made a profit from the betting induced by the bonuses. It looks like the site profit rose about 200 CLAMs:

[edmundduke]

The bet amount seemed to go up pretty fast near the win mark. I made the 99999999 bet so was pretty close (I was hummel or something lol. Didnt realize i hadn't logged in before i deposited so i sticked with it)
Fun event

[MRKLYE]

Congrats on 100,000,000 Bets with CLAM doog.

[Cyrax89721]

I'm happy to see the winner was actually very excited and deserving of the prize instead of some botting butthead trying to swindle a prize that's meant to be for fun. 

Chances are he'll lose it all anyways, but at least it got his heart rate up for a bit. 

[chriswen]

wow I missed this event.

[organofcorti]

Right now I see:

Invested 427,645.39414794
Max profit 100,489.15

I apologise if this has already been answered, but why is max profit so high compared to invested?

[BayAreaCoins]

Right now I see:

Invested 427,645.39414794
Max profit 100,489.15

I apologise if this has already been answered, but why is max profit so high compared to invested?

New leverage system applied to Just-dice.

Max leverage is up to 100x.  Basically if was for if you wanted to invest 10,000 CLAMS but didn't want to risk your coins on a Amazon server then you could invest 100 coins at a time with 100x leverage.  Then keep the other CLAMS at home base and hopefully this would help decentralize CLAM.

JD currently has a firm lock on a >51% of the staking (which is like normal mining 51%.)  

Not a huge deal because everyone trust doog anyways, but still...

It is also in the FAQ of JD.

[organofcorti]

Right now I see:

Invested 427,645.39414794
Max profit 100,489.15

I apologise if this has already been answered, but why is max profit so high compared to invested?

New leverage system applied to Just-dice.

Max leverage is up to 100x.  Basically if was for if you wanted to invest 10,000 CLAMS but didn't want to risk your coins on a Amazon server then you could invest 100 coins at a time with 100x leverage.  Then keep the other CLAMS at home base and hopefully this would help decentralize CLAM.

JD currently has a firm lock on a >51% of the staking (which is like normal mining 51%.)  

Not a huge deal because everyone trust doog anyways, but still...

It is also in the FAQ of JD.

Thanks BAC. I read the FAQ, but didn't really take that away from it. So you're saying that the "Invested" amount does not include the effective leveraged amount invested?

[BayAreaCoins]

Right now I see:

Invested 427,645.39414794
Max profit 100,489.15

I apologise if this has already been answered, but why is max profit so high compared to invested?

New leverage system applied to Just-dice.

Max leverage is up to 100x.  Basically if was for if you wanted to invest 10,000 CLAMS but didn't want to risk your coins on a Amazon server then you could invest 100 coins at a time with 100x leverage.  Then keep the other CLAMS at home base and hopefully this would help decentralize CLAM.

JD currently has a firm lock on a >51% of the staking (which is like normal mining 51%.)  

Not a huge deal because everyone trust doog anyways, but still...

It is also in the FAQ of JD.

Thanks BAC. I read the FAQ, but didn't really take that away from it. So you're saying that the "Invested" amount does not include the effective leveraged amount invested?

If you type /supply in the troll box then you can see the average leverage ppl are using.

So the "Invested" is the actual number of coins that are invested and then the leverage is all added up and the max win is .5% of that. 

If you are 100x leverage with .5% max with that means two max bets would put you @ 0.

I'm in the troll box atm too. You can PM me by clicking my number (/msg 99999 blah blah blah)

[BayAreaCoins]

Also I believe this belongs here.

I'm looking to "stir the market up" by selling off my CLAMS.  My prices are above market and I do plan on continuing to be a part of CLAM (aka buy back via troll box and other means.)

Roughly 10% of the BR when fully leverage Check it out:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=997082.msg10827558#msg10827558

[organofcorti]

Right now I see:

Invested 427,645.39414794
Max profit 100,489.15

I apologise if this has already been answered, but why is max profit so high compared to invested?

New leverage system applied to Just-dice.

Max leverage is up to 100x.  Basically if was for if you wanted to invest 10,000 CLAMS but didn't want to risk your coins on a Amazon server then you could invest 100 coins at a time with 100x leverage.  Then keep the other CLAMS at home base and hopefully this would help decentralize CLAM.

JD currently has a firm lock on a >51% of the staking (which is like normal mining 51%.)  

Not a huge deal because everyone trust doog anyways, but still...

It is also in the FAQ of JD.

Thanks BAC. I read the FAQ, but didn't really take that away from it. So you're saying that the "Invested" amount does not include the effective leveraged amount invested?

If you type /supply in the troll box then you can see the average leverage ppl are using.

So the "Invested" is the actual number of coins that are invested and then the leverage is all added up and the max win is .5% of that. 

If you are 100x leverage with .5% max with that means two max bets would put you @ 0.

I'm in the troll box atm too. You can PM me by clicking my number (/msg 99999 blah blah blah)

Ah, great, got it now.

[dooglus]

Ah, great, got it now.

We used to show the total of "onsite" and "offsite" as the invested amount, but then we had a flood of people asking "how can the invested amount be bigger than the total money supply of CLAM?" - so I switched it back to just showing the onsite coins.

Note also that this isn't really "leverage". When you leverage a position, you keep a fixed multiplier. At JD your ratio of offsite coins to your total investment changes as the site wins and loses. The offsite portion of your investment stays fixed at the number you set it to.

The model is that it allows you to invest your full gambling bankroll while only depositing a fraction of it. So you are free to use the rest of it on other dice sites, keep it in other currencies, or whatever.

The fact that it allows you to "invent" offsite wealth that you don't actually possess and get an effect similar to 'leverage' is an unintended consequence.

See the JD FAQ tab for more details: "What is 'offsite investing'?"

[Monopoly]

I imported my bitcoin wallet.dat to clam client-qt and gave some addresses but these are not valid as a btc [ or ltc or doge ] for getting free clam bonus