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July 14, 2013, 11:19:16 PM
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99.9% of people that find phones do not know how to do that. Implausible at best.

He was in the restaurant to do a Bitcoin deal.  So the guy at the same table as him likely knew how to do it.

I think that's where I'd start my investigation if I was him.

I'm not invested in JD but this seems ridiculous to me, that he would even ask for a refund. Like someone else brought up with the casino situation... I can't go to a casino, claim I accidentally left my wallet sitting at one of the slots and when I went back it had $5,000 less so I want a refund. They will tell me to get lost because it's my fault.


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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July 14, 2013, 11:23:56 PM
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No refund on any bet.

Sorry.
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July 15, 2013, 12:35:27 AM
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For anyone wondering how this whole variance thing works, and why you must be patient and not care about day to day swings, I used a poker website that does variance simulations.

Thanks for that.

In response I was going to edit this image and put a 'you are here' arrow at the start where the profit is negative (it's the satoshidice profit over time).  But then I discovered I don't have an image editor installed on the new laptop yet.  Everything I go to do, I don't have installed yet...


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July 15, 2013, 12:48:42 AM
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Problem!

Imagine you have a user named "a> b". Whenever they speak, you'll see
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This is indistinguishable from,
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Which is another user, named "a", saying "b> Hi."

Please fix this.


Edit: also the site's broken (try to reload). Fix that too.
Edit2: the websocket connection is not happening.

(The HTML loads, at least:)
http://i.imgur.com/2vQZ4aH.png

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July 15, 2013, 01:03:33 AM
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Yup, website not working
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July 15, 2013, 01:14:04 AM
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Problem!

Imagine you have a user named "a> b". Whenever they speak, you'll see
Code:
12:34:56 (31337) <a> b> Hi
This is indistinguishable from,
Code:
12:34:56 (31338) <a> b> Hi
Which is another user, named "a", saying "b> Hi."

Please fix this.


Edit: also the site's broken (try to reload). Fix that too.
Edit2: the websocket connection is not happening.

(The HTML loads, at least:)


Fixed the site.  Sorry about that!  What to do about the chat names?  Filter out < and > characters?  That'll work...

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July 15, 2013, 01:15:43 AM
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Fixed the site.  Sorry about that!  What to do about the chat names?  Filter out < and > characters?  That'll work...
Thanks.

Filtering those characters will work. If there's some great benefit to having those characters, you could make the username have a different style.

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July 15, 2013, 01:18:13 AM
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Re the "theft"....

It looks like a classic case of gamblers remorse - you lose all your money and then want it back. The story is absolutely ludicrous - so a thief gains access to his wallet by getting a hold of his phone at a restaurant and instead of taking the funds, instead goes on the victims own JD account and blows it all. Makes absolutely no sense. He obviously made up that story rather than simply saying "My account was hacked" because he knew that Doog can see the IP address and match it with his device, hence proving that the gambling was done on his phone.

While no one knows for sure, the doubt is certainly undeniably out of his favor.
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July 15, 2013, 01:36:41 AM
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For anyone wondering how this whole variance thing works, and why you must be patient and not care about day to day swings, I used a poker website that does variance simulations.

Thanks for that.

In response I was going to edit this image and put a 'you are here' arrow at the start where the profit is negative (it's the satoshidice profit over time).  But then I discovered I don't have an image editor installed on the new laptop yet.  Everything I go to do, I don't have installed yet...


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July 15, 2013, 01:50:06 AM
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... I discovered I don't have an image editor installed on the new laptop yet.  Everything I go to do, I don't have installed yet...
You must be on Windows.

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July 15, 2013, 01:52:49 AM
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Not wanting to derail the thread, but PrimeDice does not use deposit addresses for betting. It has a client seed which the player can change any time, a server seed which is publicly displayed before the bet and a daily secret. It is provably fair and it is faster than SD. The 3 non-blockchain based dice sites are all faster than SD. But it's method or implementation of it's provably fair system was questioned. It's the player's fault if they don't bother setting the client seed.

On just-dice, you can click randomize and not bother to set the client seed, or create an account and not bother to set the client seed. They are randomly set, but as the player, it is your responsibility to change it before you click on OK or NEXT or whatever. Or accept what you see.

As for the poor dude who claims to have lost his bitcoins or his phone compromised, that's his fault.

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July 15, 2013, 02:01:11 AM
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As for the poor dude who claims to have lost his bitcoins or his phone compromised, that's his fault.

He asked me to address you:

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Send a mass message to investors saying this.
As I don't really feel like giving out my forum name to the public on there.

" I contacted the Mcdonalds that I was at, and they said that nothing was caught on tape, however the phone WAS later returned that SAME day. I called the last 3 places and the 2nd was Mcdonalds who did have my phone. Upon arrival I checked wallet and found my bitcoins gone. I believe I have like .004 left. Anyways, the only transaction I saw was a 30 BTC to one I didn't recognize. I checked all over the phone and found in the search history that he went on just dice. So yeah, I don't really have anything to lie about? I mean, I have a family to take care of, I know investors recently had quit a hard loss with that one cici person winning alot. If I ever did gamble on this website(wont ever happen, after what just occured) or any other website I would NEVER go in with ALL my money. That is crazy, as that was pretty much a huge investment flip for me. even a 50% portion of the money( i understand its coming from your pockets) would do wonders, as any money getting back is really nice. I have just set a lock on my phone, along with deleting google chrome, and found a new alternative web browser that does not save passwords"

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July 15, 2013, 02:03:41 AM
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The story is so unrealistic - anyone in their right mind would transfer the bitcoins to a wallet they control, not to the victim's just-dice wallet.
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July 15, 2013, 02:04:47 AM
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... I discovered I don't have an image editor installed on the new laptop yet.  Everything I go to do, I don't have installed yet...
You must be on Windows.

Doesn't everyone taking custody of millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin use Windows?  Oh, wait...

I installed Debian stable a few days ago, and didn't opt for the default GNOME 3 desktop.  So I'm having to install the desktop apps I use as I discover I need them.

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July 15, 2013, 02:21:47 AM
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I... didn't opt for the default GNOME 3 desktop.
Good man.

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Well it sucks for the guy that he had his coins stolen, but, like, at the point that they are stolen: they are stolen. He can't 'refund' the statistic of the losing 30BTC bet that the thief made. Therefore, if you issued a refund, you would be taking a 30BTC loss for something that isn't your fault. Not to mention creating an incentive for people to ask for refunds. Even if you said no to every person after this one (and there would be more.. surely) you still have to spend time replying.

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July 15, 2013, 02:41:47 AM
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As for the poor dude who claims to have lost his bitcoins or his phone compromised, that's his fault.

He asked me to address you:

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Send a mass message to investors saying this.
As I don't really feel like giving out my forum name to the public on there.

" I contacted the Mcdonalds that I was at, and they said that nothing was caught on tape, however the phone WAS later returned that SAME day. I called the last 3 places and the 2nd was Mcdonalds who did have my phone. Upon arrival I checked wallet and found my bitcoins gone. I believe I have like .004 left. Anyways, the only transaction I saw was a 30 BTC to one I didn't recognize. I checked all over the phone and found in the search history that he went on just dice. So yeah, I don't really have anything to lie about? I mean, I have a family to take care of, I know investors recently had quit a hard loss with that one cici person winning alot. If I ever did gamble on this website(wont ever happen, after what just occured) or any other website I would NEVER go in with ALL my money. That is crazy, as that was pretty much a huge investment flip for me. even a 50% portion of the money( i understand its coming from your pockets) would do wonders, as any money getting back is really nice. I have just set a lock on my phone, along with deleting google chrome, and found a new alternative web browser that does not save passwords"

This whole story is just ridiculous.

Even if it wasn't ridiculous, you'd still have no duty to replace his coins.
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July 15, 2013, 02:48:01 AM
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Well it sucks for the guy that he had his coins stolen, but, like, at the point that they are stolen: they are stolen. He can't 'refund' the statistic of the losing 30BTC bet that the thief made. Therefore, if you issued a refund, you would be taking a 30BTC loss for something that isn't your fault. Not to mention creating an incentive for people to ask for refunds. Even if you said no to every person after this one (and there would be more.. surely) you still have to spend time replying.

"Reporting your website for fraud contacting both hosting and domain hosting to explain".

That's what I got when I asked him to stop begging me for bitcoins.

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July 15, 2013, 02:56:04 AM
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Last I checked bitcoins are not even worth anything officially.
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July 15, 2013, 03:06:34 AM
 #640

Well it sucks for the guy that he had his coins stolen, but, like, at the point that they are stolen: they are stolen. He can't 'refund' the statistic of the losing 30BTC bet that the thief made. Therefore, if you issued a refund, you would be taking a 30BTC loss for something that isn't your fault. Not to mention creating an incentive for people to ask for refunds. Even if you said no to every person after this one (and there would be more.. surely) you still have to spend time replying.

"Reporting your website for fraud contacting both hosting and domain hosting to explain".

That's what I got when I asked him to stop begging me for bitcoins.

When begging fails, turn to aggression. The negative side of problem gamblers rears its head.
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